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Seastallion
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Yay. What a beautiful ship.
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Seastallion, on 08 Jan 2016 - 17:32, said:nontabury, on 08 Jan 2016 - 17:15, said:lostboy, on 08 Jan 2016 - 14:11, said:I will look for that around the same time that I see UK soldiers apologise for killing Iraqi people.
Remind me, what justification did any UK soldier have for being in Iraq? What justification did they have for killing Iraqi people?
The fact that this military adventure by soldiers of a country with absolutely no business being there involved alleged war crimes, misdeeds and criminal acts of torture is grossly shameful to humanity. And to top it off, no strategic objective was ever gained by these armed foreigners. This violent adventurism just further destabilised an already fragile region. And these people now have the hide to lash out and abuse anyone who calls for some measure of accountability.
In war people unfortunately get killed. The soldiers concerned were ordered by their political masters to go into war. So far no British soldier has been convicted of any crime,therefore there is no need for any of them to apologize.
The only people who should be convicted of any war crimes should be their political masters,especially Tony WMD Blair who ordered these soldiers into war, resulting in many of them being fatefully wounded.
You'r point regarding the destabilizing of the region I fully agree with.
I don't think any politician ordered any women or children wantonly killed.
There you go again. You just cannot help yourself.
Please provide proof that any woman or children were wantonly killed by members of the UK Armed Forces.
Please keep up. Please try to comprehend what this thread is about. It's about allegations, and, quite frankly, some of them would be quite credible allegations. Do you really think no Brit grunt ever committed a war crime?
I'll give you a piece of advice before you bury yourself any deeper....proving that no crimes were committed is going to be a harder job than proving some were committed.
Pick your battles, Sarge. It's good war advice.
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I trust that we can now see a long serious of posts, apologising for the erroneous, libilous and defamatory claims of murdering, child killing Soldiers.
I will look for that around the same time that I see UK soldiers apologise for killing Iraqi people.
Remind me, what justification did any UK soldier have for being in Iraq? What justification did they have for killing Iraqi people?
The fact that this military adventure by soldiers of a country with absolutely no business being there involved alleged war crimes, misdeeds and criminal acts of torture is grossly shameful to humanity. And to top it off, no strategic objective was ever gained by these armed foreigners. This violent adventurism just further destabilised an already fragile region. And these people now have the hide to lash out and abuse anyone who calls for some measure of accountability.
In war people unfortunately get killed. The soldiers concerned were ordered by their political masters to go into war. So far no British soldier has been convicted of any crime,therefore there is no need for any of them to apologize.
The only people who should be convicted of any war crimes should be their political masters,especially Tony WMD Blair who ordered these soldiers into war, resulting in many of them being fatefully wounded.
You'r point regarding the destabilizing of the region I fully agree with.
I don't think any politician ordered any women or children wantonly killed.
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The real problem are all these wars of aggression, and that is a political issue rather than a military one.
In a defensive war no one cares what you do as protecting your country and people. However with invading other countries politicians seem to expect soldiers to be perfect gentlemen.
The politicians ordering these invasions are the ones that should be held accountable, not the soldiers being sent to essentially wage war around and amongst civilians.
I don't think "perfect gentlemen" is expected of or by anyone during a war.
However, many people, myself included, do not expect a soldier who is part of an invading force to take out his aggression on civilians.
I agree that the politicians should be held to account.
Interesting take on when one is being defensive. I suppose that goes for all theaters?
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RISK???
I hope that is diplomatic-speak for "WILL"
And assaults.
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Let me just remind you of what you said.
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What's a disgrace? That the British Army has murderers and other types of criminals? Yes, I agree, it's a <deleted> disgrace.
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Condemnation of murder by British soldiers is not "british hatred" (sic).
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What gives a squaddy the right to kill an Iraqi child? You're suggesting his right comes from 9/11. Ridiculous.
So give me a name to one of these murderers, child killers, with a link to their current sentence.
You spew out nothing but erroneous, unsubstantiated crap.
Allegations mean jack shit.
Of course I don't have links to any current sentence! Remember your link? From which we got the information that only six allegations have been investigated so far?
Allegations are allegations and MUST be investigated. Dismissing out of hand any serious allegation is a mistake.
The things you've quoted me on do not add to your argument at all.
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Seastallion, on 04 Jan 2016 - 20:03, said:Seastallion, on 04 Jan 2016 - 20:03, said:
It has become apparent that all the Brit soldiers (or those that want to appear to be Brit soldiers) contributing to this discussion are severely missing the point and the message of the OP. Nobody is talking about battle deaths. Nobody is talking about heat of the moment, instant reaction deaths. The investigations are looking at wrongful deaths, and it appears (is alleged) that there were over 200 of them. It's got nothing to do with AlQaeda, ISIS, or the Taliban being nasty guys. Nothing. It's got nothing to do with your average Tommy being a brave chap. It's got nothing to do with Muslims taking over Europe. It has nothing to do with 9/11. It is all to do with allegations of murder or wrongful killing and torture.
If you think there should be no law with regard to wrongful killing or torture, take it up with the UN.
For the benefit of the uneducated and the troglodytes that actually liked your posts on this thread, it is YOU that doesn’t get it.
This is all about public funding to the tune of £ 5 million a year that is now being cut off. The reason it is being cut off is because the whole thing is a farce.
A 5 year inquiry that has produced a single Soldier being fined the huge sum of £ 3000. Read about it here.
The only other case that has made it to court was thrown out of court and legal proceeding launched against the Law Firm.
Read about it here.
QuoteLawyers who wasted millions of public money pursuing false claims that British troops murdered and tortured Iraqi detainees should now face disciplinary action, senior Government figures have suggested.
Ministers condemned the “shameful” conduct of solicitors who brought the claims, which were yesterday dismissed as “deliberate lies” by a £31million, five year inquiry.
Case against the Law Firm involved is now gathering pace.
QuoteThe prominent London law firm Leigh Day has been referred to the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal (SDT) to answer complaints about its handling of legal challenges brought by Iraqi detainees against the Ministry of Defence.
I trust that we can now see a long serious of posts, apologising for the erroneous, libilous and defamatory claims of murdering, child killing Soldiers.
Well, no....you still don't get it...it is about allegations of murder of children.
While you appear to be right that the process is a farce, the fact remains that allegations have been made, and those allegations should be investigated.
From your own link....
"The most recent report on its work shows it has 144 cases on its books and only six, or less than one in 20, have been completed.
Two were dropped due to a lack of evidence and two were handed over to military police for more investigation."
So only 6 cases have been completed. There's still potentially 138 murders (or more if groups committed murder) walking free.
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The methodology of this survey is a little questionable. It is a percentage of aged people who get less than 50% of the mean income. That is mean, not average. Australia has a fairly high average wage, so this has an effect on the result. I don't doubt that a lot of pensioners are a bit tight for dough. There are others who are fairly comfortable. As for means testing; it has always been so. Tax would have to have been at a much higher level to pay to all. Your choice (Europe is facing that problem now). Be careful of stupid information circulating in emails and I would suggest that talk back radio is pitched at non thinking dills, predominantly.
Think things through and resist the urge to be an umbrage taker.
The mean is the average. No difference.
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People who laugh at the guy for shedding a tear over murdered children, can hardly also be pro-life.
It's one of the paradoxes of many Reps.
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Why do we(& the Americans)even waste time with these people?
Anyone who bites the hand that feeds them are ungrateful bastards & should be given an immediate lead injection.
Problem solved.
He is as American as you. Born and bred.
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I get the feeling that even the writer of this report holds some scepticism around the charges and evidence.
Id say the writer does not have enough information to reach any conclusion.
And he's not. Nor am I.
But, boots?
And news reports from the time that don't agree (or exactly disagree) with how the fingerprints were obtained?
The key word from my post was "scepticism.
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Could you please translate the headline for us?
Scupper=let out the drain.
Sink.
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There are already more than enough items for the poor (farangs and others) to buy.
The rich have plenty of choices for luxury shopping. Lower the taxes on these items does not change anything for this segment of the customers. They buy anyway.
It is a very good idea to make so that these luxury items become more affordable to the middle class.
The luxury industry creates a lot of jobs. Very good.
Heaven forbid the middle class being able to afford luxury items!!!!
How would the elite stay separate and aloof if their handbags and watches are the same as everyone else's? They would never let that happen.
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I get the feeling that even the writer of this report holds some scepticism around the charges and evidence.
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2 weeks ago, about 7 protesters were waving placards.....and the problem was already old.
Not exactly fast and decisive action by Jerry Brown.
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If Trump was an internet forum member, he would be classed as a troll.
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It is a dangerous game for the public to call out government officials for corruption...and not just in Turkey...
My first thought too.
Living in Thailand, are you?
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Encouraging the sale of foreign goods, and making things that rich people buy cheaper.
What's the bet that the wife of the guy who made this decision has her eyes on a new handbag? Because it's not really a progressive move for the country in general. Ordinary Thai will benefit not one iota.
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So it's going to take 12 months to lay 6 kilometres of track?
So pray tell how long it will take to develop the mega projects linking the north/south and east/west?
It's worse than that...the OP says it's to complete what was already started.
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Of my private students, aspirations are; two want to be engineers (civil and mechanical), there's two dentists, a vet, two chefs, and only one doctor.
No baristas or youtubers.
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"the classic question that we all still ask each other here in the office, “What do you want to be when you grow up?”"
The staff at Coconuts still have not grown up, apparently.
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No matter ones politics, an honest person would concede that he is clever indeed.
Then what's your take on why he keeps saying unbelievably stupid sh!t?
Perhaps he WAS clever. Not any more.
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A good kick up the ar*e is what they should get!
14 and they're breaking into buildings... imagine what they'll be up to by the time they're adults...
Getting kicks up the arfe is probably half the problem. Thai teachers use corporal punishment for the most minor of things, and do not provide an environment for good learning.
That said....I hope the boy is not simply told to apologise. He needs to face the consequences.
At the same time, someone should be looking at the root of his problems.
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“I came here to steal your shit,” the manifesto boldly declared in mispelled Thai
Jeez, 14 years old and they can't even spell...
The writing is worse than a 5 year old
It's worse than mine, too.
And that's saying something.
Inquiry: UK soldiers who fought in Iraq may face prosecution
in World News
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I think I'll withdraw from this pointless discussion as your posts show a sad lack of comprehension. I guess the old adage that sergeants never get commissions because sergeants are sergeants and do what sergeants do, is true. You're just going around in circles, ignoring your own information and zeroing in on imagined things. You're also drawing ridiculous and illogical comparisons with Muslims and gun nuts. It's really quite amusing.
You don't get it, and you won't, plainly.