Changoverandout

4 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

you dont have to drink it.

Better used as a disinfectant!

Friction burns

What - no magic BMW smart car or biometrics mentioned?

Oh he’s Japanese not the usual farang.

19 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

yeah sell us out like cambodia: 

 

 

Wake up Thais... wake tf up.

 

 

They’re doing the same in Hua Hin

I was refused an extension based on an average of over 40k a month. I had 486000 a year.

 I was told an average is not allowed even though it’s stated in Thai and English that it is.

 I had to put 40000 in my bank for 60 days

2 hours ago, Max69xl said:

The only thing that might happen is that >40k monthly will be the official requirement instead of an average of >40k per month. Think about the >65k monthly method when applying for the 1 year extension based on retirement. 

Or the opposite and an average becomes the norm.

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

But it is still wrong. Somebody should make a complaint to the immigration bureau to get the word out to offices that it is allowed by the police orders,

Can Thaivisa make this a cause calebre Jo?

2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

 

Once the extension has been granted, you can withdraw and spend the 400K.

On a 40K per month budget, that should be sufficient to cover expenses for the following 10 months, before transferring another 400K from your 'Ad hoc' pension payments accumulated in your UK bank over the same period.

I’ll withdraw it and replace it from whence it came and use it again next application.

i use my various pensions to live on.

4 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

And you show me an immigration office who cares about a police order stating that an average of 40k is ok. Why do you think every  website about visas based on marriage says that the requirements are 400k or 40k monthly? 

So you’re saying immigration disregards it’s own police orders ?

Jo has posted links to the police orders that immigration are bound by.

38 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Everywhere I look online it says the same:

• You must give proof that you have at least 400,000 baht in a Thai bank account in your name, and that it has been there for at least 2 months).
• Or, you must prove that you have a monthly income or pension of at least 40,000 baht per month (this can be done though an affidavit from your foreign embassy or.

 

I haven't seen "an average" income anywhere.

Read the police orders, it says ‘average of 40k per month throughout the year ‘

6 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

They should accept a total income of at least 480k baht for the year. But that may depend upon the office where you apply.

They will though want to see transfers into the country every month.

I was denied an extension even after showing the police order in Thai and English that an average of 40k monthly is acceptable. 

I also showed a letter from Citibank stating they receive monthly payment from U.K. inland Revenue that they convert and send to my Bangkok bank .

She said her boss said 40k must be every month! NOT average. My statement shows 487,808.

She gave me a 60 day extension and I had to put 400,000 in the bank!!

So much for police orders!

10 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

'Average monthly income of over 40K' is not how it's worded.

 

It's 'average annual income of ……. no less than 40K per month'

 

Exactly. As in the police order ‘...throughout the year an average income is not less than 40,000 baht monthly.’

9 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

It would be best if you transferred the additional income every month to reach 40k baht.

Some office are saying a average income is not allowed although it is written in the police orders.

 

I can’t as 2 of my pensions are biannual hence sending ad hoc amounts.

I’m taking Thai and English versions of  police orders stating ‘average monthly income of over 40k’ . I should get my annual statement from the bank on Monday so will apply then.

15 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Just highlight the 40K monthly International transfers.

I don’t have 40k a month. My state pension is monthly but I have 2 private pensions that go into my U.K. bank and I transfer them ad hoc during the year making an average of 40,600/ month.

42 minutes ago, Changoverandout said:

The ‘total credit’ amount on my annual BKK bank statement includes interest and a house insurance payment. Should I highlight and add up all my international credits and leave those out or just divide the total credits by 12?

I presume i delete those in the addition and division 

The ‘total credit’ amount on my annual BKK bank statement includes interest and a house insurance payment. Should I highlight and add up all my international credits and leave those out or just divide the total credits by 12?

29 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You can apply for a 60 day extension to visit your wife if they refuse to accept your application.

You can get a 60 day extension for each 90 day entry which means you do not have to leave the country for almost 5 months.

No financial proof is needed to apply for the 60 day extension to visit your wife.

I meant is financial proof required in Savannahkhet for a multi non imm O visa?

So after the first 60 day extension to visit my wife I can request another 60 days ?

25 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Yes

I would not suggest the under the table visa route.

Even a single entry non-o visa would give you 5 months to get things sorted out by extending the 90 days for 60 days. Or 2 entries from a multiple entry visa that would give you almost 10 months.

So if refused I ask for 60 days to visit my wife during which time I go to savannaket to get a multiple entry non imm O and leave the country every 90 days?

Are no financials needed for extension based on marriage?

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It would be your local office that refused to accept your application. Then you could apply for a 60 day extension to visit your wife to get time to sort things out.

Not likely the division headquarters would disapprove it during the under consideration period that you get after it is accepted at the local office. I think the division level would go by the written rules.

 

So if IO in Nakhon Sawan refuse me do I then ask the same officer for a 60 day extension to visit my wife?

Then should I get a ‘Pattaya visa’ for 20 odd thousand baht or a new non imm o from savannaket and leave the country every 90 days?

1 hour ago, Peter Denis said:

That will be a very good test-case for the discussions whether an 'average monthly income' is allowed.

It's clear from your post that you meet the intent of the law.  But if your provincial IO goes for the minimum 40.000 THB per month strict interpretation as some IO's seem to do, you might see your application denied.

So it would be wise to check out and plan some options in case of application denied.

Do keep us posted on the outcome, even though when approved it would only show that your IO (actually the officer that handled your application) acts according to the intent of the law.

Wish you luck and a good outcome!

 

 

Thanks. But apart from buying a ‘agent’ visa I Pattaya I’m not sure what options I have.

When would I be informed if I’m refused, at time or application or during the 30 day consideration period and how long before I’d have to leave Thailand?

Not a pleasant thought after 18 years!

1 hour ago, Tanoshi said:

You could face a number of issues.

Firstly your directly transferred UK state pensions will go through the Bank of Thailand and be coded as a Bahtnet transfer, which is not automatically recognised as an International transfer by many IO's.

 

Secondly depending on the method you use to transfer your other pensions and your Thai bank, they may not be coded as International transfers (FTT), or you may require 'credit receipts' as additional proof.

 

Thirdly and as mentioned, Nakhon Sawan may require monthly deposits of a minimum of 40K, rather than a monthly average of 40K throughout a one year period.

Citibank sent me a letter stating they receive money from U.K. pension office and transfer to my bank.

The other pensions I send ad hoc throughout the year via transferwise and are coded FTT (foreign transfer).

Yes I asked the IO if I’d be okay a while back and she said I need 40000 per month so I’m going armed with the police order in Thai and English.

Fingers etc crossed!