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June 11

4 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Please quote the full information;

Smith said the Marines have received “in excess of two hours” of training on the use of less than lethal force in cities, or crowd control, and that they would have shields and batons as their equipment.

He could not say how much in excess of 2 hours. In contrast, as of 2007, all LAPD personnel receive a basic 10 hours in crowd control. It doesn't matter whether they work traffic or homicide, all personnel are required to take the training. This is before the training given to the specialized units. This basic training requirement was implemented after the MacCarthur Park mess, when the LAPD contained an immigration enforcement protest through an over use of force. There is additional training for crowd control with time designated for specialty. There is a mandatory 6.5-hour course on deploying 40mm rounds for crowd control, plus an additional 4-hour training for supervisors. An additional six hours are dedicated to “the application of less-lethal force.” Every two years, officers take eight hours of training as a refresher. There is a 24 hour continuing education requirement to be completed every 2 years. Within that requirement are refresher courses on perishable skills that include; Arrest & Control - 4 hour minimum, Use of Force - 4 hour minimum.

The takeaway is that the police tactical response unit members tasked with crowd control intervention have 30+ hours of training to begin with and then an additional 10-20 hours every 2 years plus practical experience of dealing with civilians every day. This is in sharp contrast to the USMC personnel who have been given 2 hours of training and some batons. That is not appropriate, nor fair to the marines. That is not what they volunteered for.

And as a reminder; The Marines will not have arrest authority. Under the Posse Comitatus Act, U.S. service members are barred from policing citizens on American soil. The Marines cannot be used against the protestors, otherwise there will be a constitutional and legal crisis that will not end well for the Federal government.

There is little point in deploying military personnel under the present circumstances other than to make a political statement.

Let the police respond first. If they cannot do the job, then there are legal grounds to intervene.

I don't know about Marine Corps crowd/riot control training but I have recieved over 24 hours of this type of training. I worked the 2000 Democratic National Convention which was held ironically in downtown LA. It got rather "spirited" and and a handful of "peaceful" protestors threw lit cigarettes at our horses. This could have been tragic. Based upon my experience I did not feel the 24 hours of trainig was actually enough. Most of the time it was like organized chaos and keeping accountability of every officer in the squad was difficult. Also, wearing all the gear for hours was difficult. Obviously the mentality of people is much different now. Back in 2000 few people actually challenged or resisted. Even with that arresting just one person took at times 6 to 8 people (4 to 6 to provide a safey circle while the rest actually took control of the suspect and applied the zip ties). I doubt any combat Marine will be proficient in crowd/riot and I doubt very much an agressive Marine will be very proficient in "de-escalatiing) because us cops were not and still are not good at that during this type of event.

June 11

A little different reception in Santa Ana than in LA. I guess people in Oranage County have class and dignity:

June 10

I believe their only mission will be to guard and protect Federal facilities and workers. At this point I do not believe they can actually "hit the streets"?

June 9

This is a member of Congressman speaking to members of the CA National Guard who were ordered to be in LA. Yes it is the legendary Maxine Walters and a Democrat. Good job Aunt Maxine:

June 9

21 minutes ago, impulse said:

Did they hit the Best Buy for big screens yet? Because that's what you really need to get you through an emergency... Not food. Not water. Just sneakers and big screens.

I still remember Katrina when most people tuned in to the news were perfectly okay with the looters taking food and water from the WalMart. Some of them even tried to leave money to pay for what they took. (You can guess how that went.)

But most of us do draw a line at stealing big screens and jewelry to weather the storm.

The greatest statement I ever heard was when I arrested a looter in 92 and he said "it's free, right?".

June 9

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, but not as full of leftists...

That was in the past. The extreme left has penetrated every city in LA county. The residents held a protest in front of hotel Pasadena where out of town ICE agents were stayiing. The proudly declared "not in my city". The only real hope is still in Orange County. Even my hometown of Torrance where conservative values were present has now shifted left.

June 9

17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

They need to get the riots moved to the west side, where all leftists are.

Pasadena is even closer.

June 9

1 minute ago, roo860 said:

Actually it is not that far from downtown LA. All they have to do is just go south on Figueroa and they would find plenty of chances to express their Free Speech rights to an audience that could care less.

June 9

It looks like this is going the way Trump and his people said it would:

1. Mexican and Palestine flags displayed

2. CHP-California Highway Patrol vehicles burned on the 101 Freeway. What does the CHP have to do with ICE? The CHP was clearing the busiest freeway that goes through downtwon LA-the 101.

3. Just like in the past a high end shoe store has been looted.

4. The LAPD has declared a Tactical Alert and this means no days off and all officers work 12 hour shifts. Also, 50% of police personnel is devoted to the civil unrest and the remaining answer calls for service. This means evern longer response times than normal. Normal LAPD response times have never been good to begin with.

5. By now the LA County Law Enforcement Mutual Aid plan should have been activated and officers from the county should be available to assist. Once all available officers have responded and the rioting and civil disturbance have not been dealt with then NG should be called. Today the NG was called before this mutual aid was activated but too bad we are there now so Mayor Bass and Gov Gavin should accept it and deal with the riots.

6. The esteemed Gov Gavin needs to stop with "Trump's mess" that we are left to deal with. This was a mess long before anything Trump did or did not do.

June 8

9 hours ago, riclag said:

Steven Miller got you covered as he responded to the Party for Socialism & Liberation movement.

The foreign flag argument at a protest or rally is weak. For decades I have seen the Mexican flag displayed when Lakers won a champiosnhips and riots started. What about the Palestinian flag during the "free Palestine" protests when a major freeway was blocked in LA?

June 8

7 hours ago, riclag said:

I didn’t know this

Grok

Yes, California allows non-citizens to become police officers under specific conditions. Senate Bill 960, effective January 1, 2023, removed the requirement for police officers to be U.S. citizens or permanent residents who have applied for citizenship. Instead, individuals must be legally authorized to work in the United States, such as those with valid work permits, including lawful permanent residents (green card holders), asylees, refugees, or Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) .However, the law does not permit undocumented immigrants to become police officers, as federal law prohibits hiring individuals without legal work authorization.

LAPD hired two in the DACA program and allegedly the two graduated from the academy. One minor problem is that the two cannot purchase a firearm because they are not legal. This means they can carry a department issued firearm while on duty but cannot own a personal firearm. This is how crazy LAPD "leadership" and the clowns who run LA are acting.

June 8

12 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

No more than two at 3-4 AM I don't think with a convoy.

Yeah, Pendelton is just up the 5 from the border...

The I-5 in SD and the OC are mostly clear but once any vehicle gets into LA county traffic usually comes to a crawl. Doubt an actual Marine convoy of MRAP's will actually be seen in downtown LA. Marines are warfighters and have little training in civil disturbance response. Active Duty military deployment to US cities should be an absoulute last resort. I mean all civilian law enforcement resources have to exhausted and all NG resources have to exhausted and then active duty Army soldiers or Marines can be deployed to resture order. CA has a statewide law enforcement mutual aid system and this mean civilian LE throughout the state can be called in to assist in LA. This has not occurred. At least not yet.

June 8

7 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

Look at the LA police. All Mexicans, already conquered.

Those are not LAPD officers. They are cadets who do simple tasks like making copies and errans. Many do not get hired as actual officers. Yes they are many LAPD officers and LASD deputies who are of Latino descent but there numbers are not over 50%. At least not yet. Chances are females LAPD officers might hit 50% sooner than later. Yes that is one fo the DEI goals of the LAPD.

June 8

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

Sure, but I'm pretty sure that neither Hegseth nor Trump would let that stop them. Trump would simply cite the Insurrection Act as authorization and argue about the legality of that latter. By the time the matter is finally settled, the riots will be over.

Hopefully by the time the NG can actually mobilize, draw equipment, receive op orders and deploy it will be Tuesday and things will calm down. I would not want to see Marines from Pendelton patrollig the streets of LA. This would come with risks. Internal civil disturbances are the responsibility of cilviliain law enforcement and if they are overwhelmed then the NG can play only a supporting role. The absolute last esort is active duty military. If this happens then it's time to lock your doors and lock and load whatever firearm you can get a hold ot. The current situation is no way near that.

June 8

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

A got a tweet about this a few minutes ago:

🚨 #BREAKING: Secretary Hegseth just announced he is preparing to deploy MARINES to the streets of Los Angeles if the National Guard needs assistance

“Marines at Camp Pendleton are on HIGH ALERT if vioIence continues,” SecDef said

I think Sec Def needs to look up Posse Comitatus Act first. However when I was working the 1992 riots rumore were rampant that the Army would be deployed to assist because the CA Army National Guard at that was useless. The Army was never deployed. Most of us in LE worked 15+ days straight on 12 hour shifts.

June 8

13 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Ah, the Palisades Fire. How quickly Mayor Bass has put it on the back burner (sorry, bad pun). There have been virtually zero building permits granted since then, as her/the lefty bureaucracy gums things up for people who want their lives back. This is a true scandal that gets no attention.

She needs to stay in her lane. Run the city.

The weird thing is the State, Cities and the county of LA will probably ask for Federal money to pay for police overtime and other costs. I have seen this happen many times before. It goes like this : We the local government do not like it when immigration laws are actually enforced but if the Federal government is handing out money our arms are wide open.

June 8

3 hours ago, gargamon said:

If i understand the rules, the national guard can only be deployed when requested by local authorities, not the feds.

No. Federal activation has occurred in the past. Even if the governor activates the NG Federal governemt can wrestle control away. Even Gov Gavin tweeted as much and said "no need" but he knew he could not stop it.

June 7

National Guard will be deployed to LA. "Border Czzr" Holmans just said this but of course POTUS has to actually sign the order.

This might complicate things.

Last time the NG was deployed in LA was 1992 for this type of activity. Of course a small number was activated for traffic control during the Palisades fire.

June 5

12 minutes ago, JaxxBKK said:

Thank you

This is the problem and Trump and gop doing F all to solve it. Elon Musk has every right to be absolutely pissed. He spent 6 months of his life and was in a daily battle with nitwits to shine a light on the incompetence, malfeasance and outright theft

Of course the Democrats are completely lost when it comes to this topic.

At this point in my life I only care about one thing and that is a strong dollar. I'm not going to get that from Trump, but all presidents try to beat down the dollar in order to stimulate exports.

The United States is very close to entering Japanese debt territory. At that point all bets are off and I really don't see the way things are going how this is going to get turned around.

I'm glad I didn't pay much into Social Security I always knew it was going to go under before I received the bulk of it.

If the United States sees higher interest rates ident spiral could ensue. At that point it's over. That could come far quicker than the piling on and escalation of debt. This is why interest rates were kept at 0 for so long and the government borrowed and borrowed without conscience.

This is what I fear the most: Who will buy more US Debt? The last thing I want to hear is "raise the debt ceiling". The cracks may be forming even right now. The inventory of unsold homes in many parts of the US is growing by the day. Interest rates across the board are starting to iinch higher and higher and this is literally brake that halts any economy. The US economy runs on borrowed money (auto loans, home loans, credit cards and even personl loans). When money is cheap the economy humms and when money is expenisve the economy crawls.

June 5

Really can't make it much worse. 1) 36 Trillion in debt 2) Close to 900 billion in interest payments on the debt 3) Spend more than it takes in 4) Debt to GDP ratio 120% 4) The only other developed economy that has a worse GDP to Debt ratio is japan at over 200%. These numbers only apply to the US Federal Government. Some American states and large cities are even in worse fiscal condition. CA has a 40+ Billion budget defict and the second larges city, LA, has a 900 million budget deficit and it's esteemed Karen Bass announced the possiblity of layoffs and a hiring freeze with the exception of police. I could go on and on but USS Titanic is coming closer to it's iceberg.

June 3

Marathon 5 times (26.2 Miles or 42 KM) when I was in my 30's . Never again. Best time was 4 hours.

June 3

I sent my packet in last week to the BKK Embassy. Part of the process is to prepay for return envelope from Thai Post at 100 Baht. The instruction on passport renewal will have it.

Insured Return Envelope Fee:
Pay Courier Pass Back electronically via Thailand Post Mart website.
(If the page appears in Thai, you may use a translate function into English at
the top right corner of the page.)
 Please provide invoice number THP________________________

June 3

18 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

DOGE will find them as no one else ever bothered to look.

It's ok DODGE did not make great cars.

June 2

10 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

DODGE will find them as no one else ever bothered to look.

DODGE used to make cars. DOGE.

June 2

9 minutes ago, samtam said:

The famous quote attributed to Samuel Johnson is: "When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life."

The full quote, as recorded by his biographer James Boswell, is: "Why, Sir, you find no man, at all intellectual, who is willing to leave London. No, Sir, when a man is tired of London, he is tired of life; for there is in London all that life can afford." (In 1777.)

Thnx for the exact quote. I have not been to London in over 20 years. Before this life ends I plan a trip back to London and take the Chunnel to Paris. I just want to see,feel and hear this great city one more time. No matter where I am in the world in the future I plan to come back to BKK as long I can.

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