shadmo63

Have more Salt and Magnesium

Great advice.

Glad I took the trouble to read all the posts before I commented.

Magnesium deficiency will give tired/aching legs.

Take a supplement for a few days and see if the problem is less.

Try one with Vitamin D3 included as well.

The biomagnesium from Boots actually states, relieves muscle cramps.

Good Luck

And Salt

In a hot climate you need more salt and remember Salt is good for you Not Bad We have been told a lie that salt is bad for you so more people get sick and the Big Pharma make more money We need salt to make stomach acid and if we don't have enough Stomach Acid we cant digest food correctly then this will cause many other ailments

Most Humans are deficient in magnesium we also need more Magnesium for our Bones even more so than Calcium I I heard

Your blood has a rough salt (NaCl) concentration of 0.9% which is also the concentration and contents of 'normal saline' too. This is the standard fluid given in a drip - IV therapy in hospital. Pretty much every fluid in the body will contain NaCl including gastric acid. Salt is essential for life. But it's not a lie - a diet high in salt will raise your blood pressure (via actions of the kidneys) and is especially not good for anyone with cardiac or kidney problems. Salt is extremely cheap and widely available - I don't see any relationship between salt and big Pharma but maybe Gatorade are making a killing selling us 'cordial' with a bit of salt. Coke does just as good a job; you'll see Tour de France riders drinking coke during the race. Some people lose a lot of salt when they exercise and some don't. For most people water is fine.

And yep magnesium is needed for bone health just like calcium, but...too much salt is bad, mkay.

I don't know if it's been mentioned - too many posts to read - one of her 'exercise' videos had her doing 'step ups' on Paul Handley's book.

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LM laws are simply a means of avoiding the truth. This goes against Buddhist teachings. Libel and Slander laws are good enough to protect free speech and each and every citizen in nearly every western country. "Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon and the truth." - Buddha. Rose's day will come, hopefully sooner than later.

You can learn Thai script but you have to make an effort for six months. It would all be too easy for us farang with romanised script.

"Fusion foods" - haven't tried them. There are about 280 Thai Restaurants in Melbourne Australia and 0 Philippine restaurants. Nuff said.

I'm not supposed to correct English on here so I won't. I don't want to LOSE my posting rights, because I am LOOSE in following the rules.

Who is Responsible for Our Miserable Lives-Our Colonialist, Our Leaders, or Ourselves?

It is now more than a half century since most of the African counties had their so-called independence, but, the painful truth is, Africans are yet to be freed from the agonizing economic shambles and shackles they have been going through for ages; and the fact of the matter remains that there isn’t much hope that they will get anywhere better soon under the circumstances.

http://standardtimespress.org/?p=4662

Bush got elected twice. Every nation gets the government it deserves. In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville

Thailand is my 5th country. I have lived in three others that I didn't much like.

http://dtctravelblog.com/2013/07/20/the-skeleton-road-the-japanese-in-northern-thailand-during-ww2/

Thanks, interesting link. Just what were the other countries you didn't like much?

You are logging quite alot of miles for coming out of a long hiatus.

As you get older you have to be more careful of overuse injuries since healing times are longer.

At 29, you are still bullet-proof, or atleast I thought I still was at that age, and ignoring body signals can result in those injuries.

And then you find yourself not being able to run for a month or more.

Not sure your stretching practices but its suggested nowadays to do warm-up before running and save stretching until post-run. Ten years ago, the practice was still before the run also. Stretching during a run is still OK and I often have to stop and stretch my calves. I find a minute break for a calf stretch mid-run gives me a great boost when I pick up the pace again.

You may want to mix in some general weight conditioning.

And, not trying to make a joke, but massage is very useful for recovery and you live in the land of cheap massages.

Incorporate a massage into your training and I bet you will see gains and maybe less leg discomfort.

There is also some interesting research on changing running form from heel striker to midfoot striker and shortening your gait and increasing steps per minute allowing runners relief from long-time pain, but this is best accomplished with a coach. Have you considered joining one of Thailands many running clubs? Maybe I will see you at Lumpini Park some morning.

Cheers

Edit: Casualposter hit on a very important topic above--the wrong running shoes!

Thanks, this is a very helpful post (clearly written by someone who knows what they are talking).

My running style is not great hence the heels of my shoes wear down so fast. I definitely need to buy some new running shoes to minimize the negative effect of that on the rest of my body.

I will research about stretching; I've never done any stretching since PE class at school.

I agree about massage being helpful for sore muscles. I'm in the spa business (not a massage boy) and we have a lot of customers who play sports / dance / ballet.

I would like to join a running club if I can find one open to slow runners (I barely cover 10k over the course of an hour).

Good thread. 10k an hour in Thailand is actually fast and would make you a sprinter. I ran frequently in California (casually) and my pace was around 40/45 minute 10k, the first time I ran in Bangkok it was around 2pm at Benjasiri Park - nobody was there, I thought wonderful. I quit at 5k and god knows what my pace was - something awful. Also never sweat that much before in my life - literally seeped through my socks and made my shoes wet.

Always run at Benjasiri now early morning when in Bangkok. It's become a ritual I enjoy, seeing the all night partiers stumble out into the light (walk over from Suk soi 13 - good warm up) provokes a chuckle. Tried to increase my distance quick when I first arrived and ran smack dab into plantar fasciitis and was forced to take a few months off. Now have a comfort level about 8-10k a day, and aggressively stretch. I kinda wish I would've followed some of the advice on this thread when I started.

Anway good luck.

Ps. ANYONE who's run a marathon in Thailand - I bow in deference to. It's a significant challenge.

EDIT: Wrote Benjasiri up above but meant Benjakiti. BAH! Second time I've done that, last time was supposed to meet someone and sent them to the wrong park. In conversation I just call it Sirikit Park (also incorrect), but people know what I mean. Proper name Benjakiti, over next to Sirikit convention center. Great place to run in the morning.

I am going back a few years but agree - I used to do 10k comfortably in 50 minutes in Australia at the time, but in Udon I could only plod half way around Nong Prachak park before walking, and it's only a few km's around. Like the air was too thick or lacked oxygen, and your limbs were like heavy weights.

Who is Lance Armstrong?

Very arrogant USA cycling superstar. Won the Tour de France like 7 or 8 times in a row from late 90s. Finally admitted to being a blood doper EPO a couple of years ago after being accused by every teammate he ever had. Stripped of everything, including his dignity. Oh had testicular cancer, might have been given a year to live or something like that and lost one ball in the year before winning his first tour. Absolute Hero to absolute zero.

To be fair, Livestrong distanced themselves from Dopestrong after the USADA reasoned decision was released - I don't believe he has anything to do with the foundation anymore.

Thanks I stand corrected

Who is Lance Armstrong?

Very arrogant USA cycling superstar. Won the Tour de France like 7 or 8 times in a row from late 90s. Finally admitted to being a blood doper EPO a couple of years ago after being accused by every teammate he ever had. Stripped of everything, including his dignity. Oh had testicular cancer, might have been given a year to live or something like that and lost one ball in the year before winning his first tour. Absolute Hero to absolute zero.

http://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livestrong.com%2Farticle%2F473317-my-legs-turn-red-after-exercise%2F&ei=yYKiU465DIWMuAT2toHIBw&usg=AFQjCNGJFn6cdqAhnIVjynRZwbaXRLrsGQ

Livestrong belongs to that cheating f#%# Lance Armstrong.

oooooooooooooooooos e............?

Up to you

http://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livestrong.com%2Farticle%2F473317-my-legs-turn-red-after-exercise%2F&ei=yYKiU465DIWMuAT2toHIBw&usg=AFQjCNGJFn6cdqAhnIVjynRZwbaXRLrsGQ

Livestrong belongs to that cheating f#%# Lance Armstrong.

Just to add my 20 cents worth - I haven't been in the gay area before so excuse me if I am repetitive.

I am 100% straight and have two daughters 16 and 21 y o who are both straight too. They would both consider it absolutely ridiculous that people would hold anything against anyone because of their sexuality. They would consider the 'Adam and Steve' views on here as very 20th Century. Why draw a line in the sand over a parents gender and/or sexuality when there are so so many other factors that matter more? Parents that love their children is all that matters. Every thing else will flow from that. There are so many possible character flaws in humans, that could be used to judge fitness as a parent, why would you only exclude people based on sexuality/gender, which is not even a flaw? Not a criteria I would use. Small minded view IMO.

Someone earlier mentioned a gay man 'performing' with a woman for procreation. I don't understand how you could - unless you were bisexual. The idea of sleeping with a man turns my stomach. Is it not the same with gays and women? I've been watching the 'Ladyboys' show on Telly. These farang guys with ladyboys consider they are straight - I can't come at that either; yes they have strong feminine traits but they also have a cock. Small minded view?

Sphygmomanometer.

pressure

Obama is a dumb arssse. Why telegraph your moves. A smart commander in chief would act like he is going to do nothing, let them come out and carpet bomb their arsssees when the cockroaches come out of the woodwork and head toward Baghdad or while they are in between cities. Stupid leaders talk and tell others what they are thinking. Smart leaders silently take action that is necessary.

Obama . . . What a disgrace. Holder is right there with him.

Can you please give some examples of a 'smart leader'?

He gave one: "carpet bomb their arsssees when the cockroaches come out of the woodwork and head toward Baghdad or while they are in between cities."

Oh, I meant examples o real people not actions.

Sounds like the strategy of say Bashir al Assad. Speak nicely and then bomb the f%#^ out of them

Obama is a dumb arssse. Why telegraph your moves. A smart commander in chief would act like he is going to do nothing, let them come out and carpet bomb their arsssees when the cockroaches come out of the woodwork and head toward Baghdad or while they are in between cities. Stupid leaders talk and tell others what they are thinking. Smart leaders silently take action that is necessary.

Obama . . . What a disgrace. Holder is right there with him.

Can you please give some examples of a 'smart leader'?

Lack of oxygen to those parts perhaps. Leave that stuff alone chum............Jogging really is not good for you......Unless you are in tip top condition.

Take a leaf out of the book of the sad demise of Rik Mayall............

What utter rubbish. You need to do two things. 1) See your Dr and have a check-up. Always advisable if you a restarting an exercise regime after quite a long lay-off. 2) Drop the distance you are running, you might have higher expectations, based in previous exercise regime, than you are capable of now. Take it easy and allow your body to benefit from you exercise. If the Dr says you are okay - crack on and ignore transam scare mongering. By the way, I am shortly to turn 70 and hope I am still jogging at 90 and feeling so good. Mind you might get hit by a bus tomorrow.

Great stuff Robertson, keep it up.

I don't think a 29 year old needs to see a doctor. Maybe if you're 50+ or have health issues.

Total rolox..........Why did my friends die of heart failure in their late twenties...........?

Please answer.

Firstly I was a trained nurse but haven't worked in the field for a while, and I used to run a fair bit when I was young. These days I am old (50) and fat and stick to the mountain bike. I have a functional heart murmur myself - completely benign. The fact you lost two friends in their twenties is extraordinary. Sudden death from cardiac failure is extremely rare, and cannot be predicted. But it happens. I can see why you think like you do, and I am guessing they were close friends too, to affect your thinking like this. It is just a very rare thing for a young person to die that way. As is a young person dying of cancer but it happens all the time. I was in a mountain bike event once and a 26 year old, who'd won the race the year before, dropped dead. I lost an uncle at 33 y o from cardiomyopathy (enlargement of the heart), who collapsed while playing squash.

What sort of heart failure? There are a few different types of heart attack. Usually someone of Rik Mayalls vintage suffer complete or partial blockage of some of the 4 coronary arteries. But that's not going to happen in a 29 year old (or extremely rarely). Were there signs and symptoms? There's a limit to what a doctor would pick up in a surgery when you are at rest. I repeat - sudden death from cardiac failure cannot be predicted. The Dr will listen to your heart and can pick up an arrhythmia or murmur if present but that's about it. Only an ECG or a cardiac stress test would pick up other structural or conduction problems and you will only conduct those tests if other signs and symptoms are present first.

I hope that helps

Who is Responsible for Our Miserable Lives-Our Colonialist, Our Leaders, or Ourselves?

It is now more than a half century since most of the African counties had their so-called independence, but, the painful truth is, Africans are yet to be freed from the agonizing economic shambles and shackles they have been going through for ages; and the fact of the matter remains that there isn’t much hope that they will get anywhere better soon under the circumstances.

http://standardtimespress.org/?p=4662

Bush got elected twice. Every nation gets the government it deserves. In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville

Thailand is my 5th country. I have lived in three others that I didn't much like.

And then to make matters incalculably & unimaginably worse, we elected Obama! Twice!! Well, once upon a time, Thailand elected Thaksin. And then they elected Yingluck! (Well, elected by the Parliament actually, but you know what I mean.) Many would argue that in electing Yingluck, they were really re-electing Thaksin, and they knew it. Not only do the people get the government they deserve, they then practically beg for worse & worse...

But that's not really on topic.

Colonialism was a mixed bag. It sometimes contributed developmental momentum, knowledge, and considerable investment in the local economy and infrastructure; it also often subjugated and exploited the local population. It tended to deposit both the best & worst habits & characteristics (some would call this the "culture") of the mother country. Both the good & the bad have their lasting effects. This thread would be more interesting and I think in keeping with the original intent if, instead of ranting about the evils of colonialism (& other things) generally, the discussion were more specifically about what Thailand lacks today as a result of its never having been colonized...

Sakdina still exists in the mindset of Thais. Innocence or guilt is still determined by who you are, not what you've done. You can not root out corruption without first having a fair and honest legal system? I remember how upset I was the first time I got pulled up for 'speeding' in Thailand doing 85 in a 100 zone. I wasn't going to pay up on my farang principles. Now 20 years later and I would just cough up without a second thought. TiT.

And a 'democracy' run with a feudal governance.

PS - Better get used to it. Hillary will get two terms too. The tea party will make sure of that.

I remember speculation he wouldn't step in as he was so close to retirement. I never ever thought I'd approve of a military government but I agree with the article that now is an opportunity to get some good things done before putting the children back in charge.

Well, they're already reforming the education system to include more nationalistic content, more emphasis on respecting your elders & betters and that kind of thing: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/military-junta-revise-school-curricula-stimulate-greater-patriotism-love-establishment/#

And these new text books will be produced within a month or two, apparently, so certainly the military is getting things done quickly. Also going to be more emphasis on songs:

Oh Wong-Arthichart @oh_kub · Jun 15

min. of edu. prepare to give 35 nationalistic propaganda songs to play in every school during morning and lunch break.

The lack of national pride these kids today have is shocking. They need to be taught how they defeated the evil Burmese all those years ago and were never colonized. That's what education should be all about. And I'm as confident as you are the good general is taking brave steps in the right direction. And let's not forget the valiant effort the Thai military made in resisting the Japanese. Those battles should never be forgotten. Thai kids should know their forefathers died protecting their country. Victory Monument stands as testament to their brave sacrifice.

What a wonderful grasp of Thai history you have Emptyset. I love your insightful ideas about how to improve things.

Lack of oxygen to those parts perhaps. Leave that stuff alone chum............Jogging really is not good for you......Unless you are in tip top condition.

Take a leaf out of the book of the sad demise of Rik Mayall............

What utter rubbish. You need to do two things. 1) See your Dr and have a check-up. Always advisable if you a restarting an exercise regime after quite a long lay-off. 2) Drop the distance you are running, you might have higher expectations, based in previous exercise regime, than you are capable of now. Take it easy and allow your body to benefit from you exercise. If the Dr says you are okay - crack on and ignore transam scare mongering. By the way, I am shortly to turn 70 and hope I am still jogging at 90 and feeling so good. Mind you might get hit by a bus tomorrow.

Great stuff Robertson, keep it up.

I don't think a 29 year old needs to see a doctor. Maybe if you're 50+ or have health issues.

what is lactic acid ?

Muscles get energy from oxidizing glucose during exercise and lactate aka lactic acid is produced during that process. With very heavy muscle use the lactate levels can build up.

In the recent past it was thought that lactic acid buildup was what gave you sore muscles in the days after strenuous activity. Some recent research suggests that is incorrect and that lactic acid buildup is more associated with the 'burn' you feel when say body building and working a muscle to its limits. The sore muscles you feel in the days after a hard workout is now thought to be part of the process of breaking down (damaging) the muscle to be rebuilt bigger and stronger afterwords.

Many people will still talk about lactic acid causing muscle soreness as I described because that's how it's always been understood for the last 50 years or so. It was always common for athletes to go on a slow run in the days after say a marathon or football game to 'burn up the excess lactic acid'.

It is sad and a shame that the education system in Thailand is this way, most Thais are not slow learners or stupid, but I can say for certain that

whether deliberate or not the education system and the people that are providing the education are training young minds to be just that.

How do you repair a nationwide culture of this, how do you tell the all revered AJARN, that what you are doing is wrong and has never been correct?

And you now have to change what you have been doing for years and teach you pupils to be individuals, interact with the AJARN, question and debate what is being taught ??

The only place to start is with teacher training, but it will take a generation. There's a move in western education from teacher centered to student centered philosophy, but that will take a generation to achieve. The old strict rigid disciplinarian teacher is considered out of touch nowadays; students have been proven to learn better in supportive nurturing flexible environments.

Surely there are enough foreign educated Thai's who could influence the system. Many degree and higher qualified Thai's seem to lack any intellectual curiosity or critical thinking skills. What an absolute shame if one of the earlier links is correct and the NCPO's only plans for education are introducing patriotic songs and greater nationalism in the curriculum - absolutely no research performed or time and effort put into a plan for long term improvements - just further brainwashing brain numbing garbage propaganda. For a start decisions like that would take months and years in the west.

Oh No, not another repetitive article on education reform.

Do you think it needs to be repeated until something concrete is done about it? The good General seems pretty switched on so hopefully he will at least start to tackle this momentous problem that prevents young Thai minds from reaching their potential and holds the whole nation back.

There is a possibility that you are getting back problem, get a MRI done and see if you get any slip disk etc. When this happen it press the nerves going to your leg and make you tired. Take care of it before it is too late.

Anything is possible but IMAO unlikely as you are young and as far as I know only have the problem while running. You have many good suggestions to explore before this one.

Do you blame the Iraqi's for Saddam, or the Lybians for Gaddafi, or the Americans for Dubya?

If you read about Pridi Banomyong and his ideology and leadership you will see that Thailand would have followed a very different path toward the present day and be much further down the path toward democracy if he had achieved power for longer. Instead he was forced out of office and the country forever after being unjustly implicated in the death of Rama VIII and instead Thailand got the fascist leaning anti-monarchist military dictator Phibun for another decade, followed by another distasteful alcoholic military dictator in Sarit Thanarat, followed by the 3 tyrants in the 60s & 70s, etc etc. At least 50 years of the last 80 since constitutional monarchy have been under military dictators, and the democratically elected governments last on average about a year or so. It could have been a lot different. So right or wrong i don't judge Thailand for Phibunsongkrans decisions like you do.

Actually I did know about the irony and hollowness of Victory Monument in that it came from a rather unimpressive military victory that ultimately was not a victory at all.

Every thing you've written seems to be direct copies from Wikipedia and you've been somewhat selective in your edits. You have failed to say that Siam defeated a very depleted and poorly equipped Vichy France force made up mostly of Indochinese after 1. France had already been defeated in Europe, and 2. the Japanese had already moved into and set up bases in Indochina.

But I have learned some things and agree the Thais had more blood on their hands than I thought, but still under Phibun.

Situation with this mob looks very serious. Might be time to stop bitching over who is most responsible for the current lamentable situation and start considering what, if anything, can or should be done about it. This doesn't mean ignoring recent and historical causes, but probably not a good to spend 90% of the time blaming BlairBush or ObambaBengazi.

In my house it's "you made the mess, you clean it up".

If a gang of six year olds plugged up the toilet and let shit flood out all over the floor, there would probably be some adults involved with cleaning up - at least with directing the operation.

Yes but in this case the adults decided to re-plumb the toilet when it wasn't even broken. Unfortunately they did not know the first thing about plumbing, but believed they did, even declaring the previously not broken toilet fixed after their first attempt. Despite continuing unsuccessful efforts to fix the now blocked toilet the adults are still trying to blame the six year olds for the mess.