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The National Broadcasting Services of Thailand (NBT, channel 11 or 2 on most providers) will live broadcast the UEFA Euro 2020 with the opening match between Italy and Turkey at 2:00 A.M. Thai Time tonight.
The whole Euro 2020 live broadcast program is under discussion with NBT2HD, the Office of the National Broadcasting and Telecommunications Commission (NBTC), and the copyright owner and its related partners today, June 11th.
NBT will officially announce further details of the broadcast in Thailand at a press conference today. It is expected they will be able to secure the rights for the entire EURO 2020 live program.
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2 hours ago, mrbojangles said:
Has anybody found NBT2 yet?
On the free TV channel box I have found NBT on channel 2 but I can't find NBT2
I think it is NBT, which is ch 2 on Truevisions.
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23 hours ago, owl sees all said:Hospitals give me the creeps. In fact there was a hospital in Romford named 'Oldchurch'. Generally known as the 'place of no return'. Spent ten weeks in there as a kid (one of the lucky ones to get out), before being sent to Dartmoor for the summer to recover.
I've been lucky to date, only been in hospital twice, once age around 6 for tonsils removal and early 20s for wisdom teeth removal.
My dad loves to remind me that the Sister who checked me in to the kiddies ward for the tonsils job was a big fat black woman, and I apparently was terrified as I'd never seen a black person before. All I remember is I refused to take off my underpants under my pyjamas for some reason ????
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34 minutes ago, ColeBOzbourne said:
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the OP, but he never said that tones don't exist at all outside of context. You're exaggerating that part a bit. When he referred to "The Myth of Thai Tones", to me he seemed to indicate that they may not play as big a role as some people believe. He stated that context may play a bigger role than tones. Not that tones don't exist at all.
But it's this part of the OP (below), which implies, and therefore leads others to believe, that its not worth learning tones.
Tones are not regional accents, though of course there are regional accents and people in different regions will pronounce words differently.
Sure if you don't use the tone for a word you may be understood from the context, but there will be plenty of times that doing that you will not be understood.
Learn and use the tones, if you get it wrong then try to get it right next time, slowly you will improve if you wish to improve (some people don't).
My understanding is that Thais do not learn at school the tone rules as we adult farlangs try to learn them (from a set of rules based on initial consonant, live or dead syllable, etc). They listen and copy parents and teachers, who correct the child if they pronounce the tones wrong - remember my wife repeatedly correcting our kids that way. That's the same way we farlangs learn to speak/pronounce our own mother tongue.
"I now realise tones are more like regional accents than strict rules, and that Thai people actually use context more than tone to understand the meaning. I also realised my attempts at tones were adding to the confusion when I spoke.
So now I focus on keeping my tone flat and level when I speak Thai, and people have no problem understanding me.
The "mai, mai, mai" monologue is nothing more than a way for Thai's to show off to the stupid falang, and with perhaps a few exceptions such as the 'mai' used as a question word, tones are unnecessary for everyday speech. And the tone for the "mai" question is common in English too, where "why" can be a question or a statement, but 90% of the other tones are just Thai's being pedantic as they don't understand the tones in the absence of context.
I guess the people who've sweated blood for 20 years learning Thai tones will not agree with me - but I believe such people have learned to speak the equivalent of BBC Queen's English, which is just not the way 99% of people in the UK speak."
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2 minutes ago, Johnny Mac said:
Yea I've tried the BEIN website, not the app, cheap for sure, but I had a lot of buffering with it.
Never had buffering or poor quality with the BEin app. Wish they'd have more coverage of English football (not interested in the French, Spanish etc league football they show).
Let's hope in 2021/22 we get decent coverage of the CL here in Thailand.
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5 minutes ago, Johnny Mac said:
Ok, if that's the case, fair enough. When you say tv providers here you mean True I assume, as I can't think of anyone else (tv company not streaming) here that would show it or have the means to buy it? Maybe True didn't want to stump up for it?
They probably didn't.
BEin also have a nice little paid-for app here I use for FA Cup games. THB 59 for a week, very reasonable and good quality.
DAZN bought the rights but did what with it here; not a lot.
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27 minutes ago, Johnny Mac said:
DAZN IS a stream, so what difference would it have made anyway?
I'd be surprised if True get the CL back.
The difference is/was that previous holders of the rights for the CL in Thailand showed it via tv, but DAZN didn't sell it on to the tv providers here = having to watch via a website on the internet and buffering problems etc.
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13 hours ago, stament said:
Was the CL too expensive?
The rights to the CL were bought for this area by DAZN who never showed it, which is why we watch CL games on dodgy streams. Hopefully next time round Truevisions or BEin will buy it so we can watch in peace on the telly.
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/dazn-champions-league-tv-rights-southeast-asia-serie-a-brazil
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21 minutes ago, HarrySeaman said:I don't know if it is true or not but I once read that Thai Prince Damrong Rajanubhab, who created the Thai into English transliteration scheme, basically said that foreigners aren't used to hearing tones, aren't used to reproducing them so they are generally wrong when the try, and they shouldn't bother with tones because Thais would figure out what was meant from the context of what was said.
I can hear Thai tones and even reproduce them fairly accurately according to my wife, but regional accents make what I say virtually a foreign language to many Thais. I find using English, pointing, and gesturing like an idiot generally gets me better results.
wasabi, I loved your comment on the "r" sound. With many Thai words I can hear a soft trilled "r", sometimes in combination with "l" as an "lr" sound. Most of my farang friends can't hear the soft trilled"r" sound so they substitute a "l" ,except for one friend. That friend insists on ordering "coffee ron" , which the waitress's don't understand until I order hot coffee while discretely pointing to myself and my friend. If you want to try it the "correct" transliteration is "coffee lron" with the "l" combined with a faint trilled "r" into a single sound.
I find many native English speakers can't reproduce a trilled "r", and can't hear it in Thai, but if you speak a Germanic language you should have no problem hearing or reproducing the soft trilled "r".
Another favorite is how most of my friends in Pattaya tell me someplace is on "Pattaya Clang" with a hard "a" sound. My Thai friends tell me that "Pattaya Klang" is pronounced with the a pronounced "ahh" like in the word "law".
Now there's a classic example of if you read the English transliteration 'klang' you will pronounce the a as an English short a (aplle) sound, but if you learn to read thai its an า or a long aa or ar sound so its 'klarng' or 'klaang'.
The beauty of Thai over English is Thai vowels almost always correctly represent the sound you need to say, but with English vowels and words you have no option but to learn and remember the way to say the word, example, yacht. Learning english as a non-english speaker must be tough.
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1 hour ago, SteveB2 said:
Transliterations of spoken Thai using a European alphabet and western sounds is hopelessly inaccurate.
This is since most of the Thai hard 44 consonants have different sounds.
There are 33 vowels - most of which have different sounds to European languages.
…And of course, each spoken syllable has one of 5 discrete tones.
Speaking Thai without tones would be similar to speaking English without vowels. The tones are necessary. A lot of guess work is necessary without the tones.
Listen to Thai news shows broadcast from Bangkok and mimic the speaker’s pronunciation.
But also listen to recordings of all the dialects spoken across Thailand.
Recognize that dialects of Thai are so strong, that it is not uncommon to see sub-titles during films to help central Bangkok Thai speakers understand what is being said (in North Isaan for instance.
Isaan Thai - a language so far from Bangkok Thai that it is really another language.
Thailand calls isaan a dialect of Thai but the people of isaan say they speak Lao which is more correct. Isaan / lao having an extra tone and many different words as the video illustrates. Most isaan people are bilingual in their isaan dialect (there are many) and Thai. In school they are only taught Thai; isaan they learn from what they hear around them.
Enjoyed the video. Never studied isaan at all but I knew a few words I've heard the wife say. Our kids are bilingual English/ central Thai and have very little knowledge of isaan even though the wife's family speak around them all their lives.
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I'm sceptical on your theory.
So you are basically saying that we can pronounce every word in a mid/normal tone and
Thais work out the tone and the meaning of the word used from the context of the sentence.
Sometimes you will be right, if there's a horse in a field and I say that maa (horse) has to go", then Thais can work out it is the horse I'm talking about.
But if there's a horse and a dog in a field (both 'maa' in Thai but different tones) and I say "that maa has to go", then Thais cannot work out if it is the horse or dog I'm talking about.
So to a point you are correct but there will be instances when the incorrect pronunciation will confuse the other person or make no sense to them.
It would therefore be better to learn and use tones and if you pronounce with the wrong tone unlucky but you'll probably learn from that mistake.
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Spain vs Croatia and Netherlands vs France at u21 tournament just started live on UEFA.tv app.
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1 hour ago, RickG16 said:
Aren't you going to tell him about Bradford?... The Manchester Bradford that is hardly spoken of these days ...
I'm not actually taking the <deleted>. I never knew that there was an area of Manchester called Bradford until you told me
Didn't mention as Champers wouldn't know of it. But as you ask...
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13 minutes ago, Chris.B said:
I had a look at Banana Thai's web site but couldn't see any face to face classes offered. She seems to be offering access to online material and videos.
Learnthaiwithmod, on the other hand, offer tuition in a class format using Zoom, i.e. real time tuition.
Both offer online group classes (around b200-250 HR I think I saw) on zoom.
LearnThaiwithmod definitely offer 1to1 classes online, I'd assume Banana Thai also does.
https://bananathaischool.com/course/
From watching the videos I'm sure either school would be very good. Just don't let the wife watch the lesson ????????????
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31 minutes ago, champers said:
Leicester, Chelsea, Coventry, Hull. What about your home town team Stockport, when they were a league club?
Chelsea?
Sorry I'm not a County fan. I'm a third generation blue, we moved out from where the Etihad is now.
My old man and i used to go Friday night's to Edgeley Park (we saw that as trying to help them out financially) and I was a Maine Road seasonticket holder Saturday and Wednesday in the 70s & 80s.
Guess County fans consider their derbies to be against all the greater Manchester clubs, and maybe even Macclesfield when they were around (RIP).
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2 minutes ago, EricTh said:
Sorry, I watched some of her videos... just not as good as Mod/Pear in terms of teaching style.
Why?
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Just now, EricTh said:
Who's Smuk?Sorry, the teacher/owner of Banana Thai is khru Smuk
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34 minutes ago, champers said:
No natural rivals really like Blackburn/Burnley and Preston/Blackpool. All of those traditional town teams are as close as we get but none more than any other. Manchester and Liverpool clubs are much the same but I don't think those clubs class us as rivals.
There is a particular hatred by some fans for Utd that got out of hand sometimes. Will be a couple of years yet before we are back at that level.????
That must be very unusual not to consider any one club a rival.
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On 5/17/2021 at 9:04 AM, stament said:
Doubt they would allow free screening but who knows
UEFA.tv app is showing the European u21 tournament games live this week for free, they showed the Thursday cup final and the CL final for free last week, so there's a good chance they will be showing the euro tournament live for free.
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11 minutes ago, EricTh said:
I second Learn Thai with mod, they are easy on foreigners and they speak English well.
Most Thai in Thailand either can't speak English well or can't teach to foreigners. They teach the same way as their teachers taught them when they were kids.
Working my way in the last few weeks through all of Mod's videos from 7 years ago and I've the most recent year to go through. Mod and Pear are excellent teachers, very entertaining and easy on the eye ????.
Likewise I'm working my way through Banana Thai videos from 3 years ago and I've got the last 11 months to go. Also listening to the podcasts. Comments about Mod and Pear above are ditto Khru Smuk.
If I had to choose one to sign up for lessons with, it'd probably be Smuk as she's very enthusiastic and her English is the best of the 3 i think which could be helpful (that said, I used to have lessons with my kids Thai language teacher who spoke no English at all - usually we could get by understanding each other, but failed one time when I didn't know the Thai for coffee BEAN or GRINDING and she rang the wife to find out what I was on about).
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1 minute ago, EricTh said:
Stuart Jay is more for advanced Thai learners. He talks too fast and talks a lot of confusing stuff like Sanskrit sounds. Not recommended for beginners.
I would agree Stuart Jay Raj is probably not for absolute beginners. Wouldn't say he talks too fast (As a brit I have no problem with his Aussie speech). He does explain a lot about the background to Thai, Lao, Khmer, etc being derived from Sanskrit but I found that an eye opener and his map of the mouth is a brilliant simplification of Thai sounds which has moved me forward. He is a polyglot in 16 languages I believe and sometimes is videos are aimed at others than me - I have no interest when explains about Chinese Korean Japanese etc unless it directly relates to Thai. I find his stuff very interesting, watched all his free videos over the past 3 weeks and can imagine his paid for stuff would be very helpful but at the moment I'm just cracking on learning with other resources.
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Interested to know who do Bolton fans consider your derby is against (any season, not now you're in the 3rd tier)?
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Have a look at Stuart Jay Raj's website and sign up to get access to his free lessons, skip through them until you get to the ones teaching the consonants vowels and tones (also available on his YouTube channel) and see what you think. His book (haven't read it) linked to his teaching vids might be a cheaper and better option to try first, if that doesn't help you then maybe do the 6 day course.
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EURO 2020
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So was the 1st game shown live here on NBT (ch2 on Truevisions)?