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OMG, why the need to search???? Wasn't the judges of courts declared they were non-violence, peaceful and unarmed!!!! Now what? Dereliction of duties? Abused of power?

The impotency of law enforcement agencies, the obstruction of the armed forces in restoring law and order and the enforcement of rule of law and the blindness of CC and other courts resulted in people taking armed struggle as a means to settle their grievances, bitterness, and hurts.

The army is again distorting and twisting the truth and trying to blame on pro government groups. They had plenty of time and opportunities to prevent political protests from escalating into loss of lives and armed struggled inorder to liberate Thailand.

The armed forces have no legitimacy to seize power from from the government and blamed it on the loss of life and armed struggle.

The dem, pdrc were allowed their insurrection activities with impunity. The court ignored evidence produced by the government that pdrc and anti-government groups were armed. They allowed them to continue their occupation of government buildings and threatened workers to stop works to join their rallies.

The courts also obstructed the law enforcement agencies from maintaining law and order, reinstating rule of law and enforcement of rule of law citing that the demonstrations were peaceful and unarmed. This was an insult to the judiciary in view of the evidences produced by everyday real time eye witnesses not just documented by the law enforcement agencies.

Instead of supporting the law enforcement agencies, the armed forces were used to guard the rebels and they warned the law enforcement agencies to not using their appropriate legitimate force to restore law and order and reinstating rule of law.

The people's resistance is understandable and more illegitimate force by the armed forces will further strengthen the need for armed struggles and force the people to go 'underground' like during the '70s.

It is time for the armed forces to return power back to the people and support election. Crush any effort to block, sabotage the election.

He will make laws according to the demands of pdrc, the dem, the appointed senators and NACC, CC, EC, AC, Ombudsman who are the vehicles of the 'old elite power' to seize power from the democratically people elected government.

The rebels who seized power from the people can try suppressing news and voices of the people but they cannot suppress the truth. The revolt is likely to begin from within the military. Sadly, many authoritative, dictatorial decisions to crack down and oppress the people will continue before this take place.

There is no guarantee that all the ministers will be freed once he reported. The armed forces of the 'old elite power' lied to the people that they are not on either side of the conflicts. What took place proved clearly that they are on the side of prdc, the dem, appointed senators, EC, constitutional court and NACC. They cannot be trusted with their words.

The new generation of soldiers will protect their integrity, dignity and their professionalism as soldiers. Now, the armed forces are not entirely of the 'old elite power' who have been plundering the nation. They are afraid that their wrong doings and criminal activities will be uncover by the emerging power of the people. Therefore they have to seize power to prevent that from happening. The war weapons do not belong to the armed forces factions of the 'old elite power' only. The people are beginning to be aware of their political, social, economic and judicial rights and the duties and responsibilities that come with these rights of theirs.

Judging from the reactions of the public as compared to the 2006 coup, I wish to see the coup makers, supporters and financiers of 2006 and the current one be brought to justice soon. If not, I am afraid the escalated crisis will develop into a much more greater calamity than any natural disasters to Thailand affecting everyone.

There is not going to be any immediate uprising at the moment. They will be more arrests on people linked to UDD, PTP, Thaksin nationwide. The anti-democracy movements have achieved their objectives and they won't come out to create violence.

The only objective of 7-partite 'negotiation' is to pressure the resignation of the government without any guarantee that there will not be sued for dereliction of duties.

I salute the government ministers for valiantly fought for the people who entrusted them until the moment the 'old elite power' decided to seize power.

The 'old elite power' again won. They again did it through forcing the people at 'gun point' and the judiciary they set up and interpret laws they've written in the way that suit only their agendas. Creating chaos and hardships to people and country they premeditated and engineered. There is no way they can win the hearts and minds of the people.

The worrying scenarios now are likely that the next uprising will not just be the people but also the 'new generation' of ranks and files and officers in the armed forces. Increasingly many are tired of continually used as a tool serving the 'dictator regimes'. They want democracy and their votes counted. Only democracy can give them the dignity as solders to serve the country professionally and protect it from external threats.

Another worrying scenario I see is that we are going to face many border disputes with countries surrounding Thailand and from secessionists in the south. The people of various places will begin to assert their 'background linkages' to liberate themselves from bitterness, hurt and humiliation by their oppressors.

According to the NATION's report.

-----Prayuth added that the army did not take sides, neither the protesters nor the government. "We provide safety and protection to ensure that no violence happens," he said.-----

IMO, soldiers should always be on the side of a government to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.

-----The army has deployed the soldiers to the capital after a series of violent incidents during the antigovernment protests, which resulted in deaths and injuries on both sides.-----

Did the army's deployment of soldiers in the capital in consultation and cooperation with the CMPO? Was it at the order of a government and/or CMPO?

The army has certainly make it very hard and has impeded law enforcement agencies to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.

The army's job is to follow government instructions within the framework of the law. It should also be noted that, this being a constitutional monarchy, there is also a higher authority which can override or intervene in the government's instructions, although for pragmatic and traditional reasons this has only done in extremis. The army is not here to support the government in a political sense (yes, I know, I'm getting to that); it is obliged to refuse government orders that are illegal; and ultimately it is responsible to the head of state rather than the government.

I do not entirely agree that it has impeded rule of law. Obviously there is an extensive tradition of illegal military coups, but the fact is that whenever the shit hits the fan the police have proved utterly useless and it is the army that eventually restores law and order, albeit frequently at the expense of the government which are generally breaking the law left right and centre. Yes it sucks, but this is a developing country, a lot of shit doesn't work and if "rule of law" actually existed in Thailand it just wouldn't be necessary.

IMHO there is no rule of law in Thailand. The reason you don't get mugged in the street is largely because of social convention.

I can see that you were trying to give a balanced view on the loyalty, duties and responsibilities of the Army. However, I think you strayed into a territories that do not exist - higher authority's overriding and intervention, there was no illegal government orders, the HOS of Thailand is not to involve in political matters and he did not issue any order.

Your comment and opinion, however, did not answer my questions.

The Army's actions and inaction has certainly make it very hard and has impeded law enforcement agencies to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.

icommunity / kikoman / fab4 . . .

If the Police had done their jobs properly in the first place, there would have been no need for the Army to have gotten involved at all.

And how exactly have the Army impeded law enforcement agencies?

I suggest you have good answers to my questions raised and why their attitude, actions and inaction have not impeded the operations of the law enforcement agencies.

I will only mention two Army's action and inaction

Actions: Making public statements independence of CMPO. Condemned the RED/UDD activities when what they did was to help in the delivery of ballot boxes and papers - as eg.This is also an inaction because the army did not protect people who want to protect the democratic system with the King as the HOS.

Inaction: Demanded that the police should not use force to reinstate law and order when the dem's pdrc/pcad thugs invaded and occupied government offices and state buildings - these are rebellion against a people elected government with the king as HOS. This is both inaction and action. Their insistent that they are on the side of the people - which people. Are they not clear about their loyalty, duties and responsibilities under a democratic system with the king as the HOS?

The way in which the NATION reported on the pink colour and flowers has made the army chief's remarks in response to caretaker's complaint looks very childish, unprofessional and uncalled for.

A childish and unprofessional response for a childish and unprofessional caretaker PM.

So you agreed that the Army's chief response was childish and unprofessional.

How was the caretaker PM childish when what she was doing was expressing her concerns shared by citizens who complained that they felt intimidated by the presence of soldiers' bunkers and that it may impact the image of the Thai capital, She was asking the army to consider improving the bunkers and do something about the presence of soldiers carrying weapons in the capital.

BTW, I was referring to the way the NATION reported the news/remarks.

According to the NATION's report.

-----Prayuth added that the army did not take sides, neither the protesters nor the government. "We provide safety and protection to ensure that no violence happens," he said.-----

IMO, soldiers should always be on the side of a government to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.

-----The army has deployed the soldiers to the capital after a series of violent incidents during the antigovernment protests, which resulted in deaths and injuries on both sides.-----

Did the army's deployment of soldiers in the capital in consultation and cooperation with the CMPO? Was it at the order of a government and/or CMPO?

The army has certainly make it very hard and has impeded law enforcement agencies to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.

The army's job is to follow government instructions within the framework of the law. It should also be noted that, this being a constitutional monarchy, there is also a higher authority which can override or intervene in the government's instructions, although for pragmatic and traditional reasons this has only done in extremis. The army is not here to support the government in a political sense (yes, I know, I'm getting to that); it is obliged to refuse government orders that are illegal; and ultimately it is responsible to the head of state rather than the government.

I do not entirely agree that it has impeded rule of law. Obviously there is an extensive tradition of illegal military coups, but the fact is that whenever the shit hits the fan the police have proved utterly useless and it is the army that eventually restores law and order, albeit frequently at the expense of the government which are generally breaking the law left right and centre. Yes it sucks, but this is a developing country, a lot of shit doesn't work and if "rule of law" actually existed in Thailand it just wouldn't be necessary.

IMHO there is no rule of law in Thailand. The reason you don't get mugged in the street is largely because of social convention.

I can see that you were trying to give a balanced view on the loyalty, duties and responsibilities of the Army. However, I think you strayed into a territories that do not exist - higher authority's overriding and intervention, there was no illegal government orders, the HOS of Thailand is not to involve in political matters and he did not issue any order.

Your comment and opinion, however, did not answer my questions.

The Army's actions and inaction has certainly make it very hard and has impeded law enforcement agencies to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.

Hahahaha, could the senior person be Prem?????

The way in which the NATION reported on the pink colour and flowers has made the army chief's remarks in response to caretaker's complaint looks very childish, unprofessional and uncalled for.

According to the NATION's report.

-----Prayuth added that the army did not take sides, neither the protesters nor the government. "We provide safety and protection to ensure that no violence happens," he said.-----

IMO, soldiers should always be on the side of a government to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.

-----The army has deployed the soldiers to the capital after a series of violent incidents during the antigovernment protests, which resulted in deaths and injuries on both sides.-----

Did the army's deployment of soldiers in the capital in consultation and cooperation with the CMPO? Was it at the order of a government and/or CMPO?

The army has certainly make it very hard and has impeded law enforcement agencies to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.

Well if they stop sociopathic animals from launching grenades into crowds, and save one child's life, it will all be worthwhile, right?

Of course, it is worthwhile to save the life of a child but this is not what I was stressing. What is worrying is that the army's inaction and actions has resulted even the death of children and prompted me to mention that "The army has certainly make it very hard and has impeded law enforcement agencies to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.".

The dem's pdrc/pcad rallies/demonstrations had put the children in danger:

According to the NATION's report.

-----Prayuth added that the army did not take sides, neither the protesters nor the government. "We provide safety and protection to ensure that no violence happens," he said.-----

IMO, soldiers should always be on the side of a government to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.

-----The army has deployed the soldiers to the capital after a series of violent incidents during the antigovernment protests, which resulted in deaths and injuries on both sides.-----

Did the army's deployment of soldiers in the capital in consultation and cooperation with the CMPO? Was it at the order of a government and/or CMPO?

The army has certainly make it very hard and has impeded law enforcement agencies to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.

The army has certainly make it very hard and has impeded law enforcement agencies to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.

I take it that you are referring to Thaksin's watermellon police right?

Wrong. It is not funny.

According to the NATION's report.

-----Prayuth added that the army did not take sides, neither the protesters nor the government. "We provide safety and protection to ensure that no violence happens," he said.-----

IMO, soldiers should always be on the side of a government to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.

-----The army has deployed the soldiers to the capital after a series of violent incidents during the antigovernment protests, which resulted in deaths and injuries on both sides.-----

Did the army's deployment of soldiers in the capital in consultation and cooperation with the CMPO? Was it at the order of a government and/or CMPO?

The army has certainly make it very hard and has impeded law enforcement agencies to reinstate law and order and the enforcement of rule of law.

Going after one Indian Thai taxpayer demonstrates how vindictive and subjective Thai law and its people are.

You will find in many countries, when a foreigner involved in activities that violated the rights of other people and its citizen and political activities against a government, he would be either arrested or deported immediately.

What you forget us that in many civilised countries people are entitled to become citizens after 5 years - less in some countries.

Thais love to go abroad and buy houses, become citizens and take advantage of all the benefits those countries offer when they become sick or get old - regardless of how much they have 'paid in'.

Some even become politicians in those countries and have businesses they control 100% because those countries realise discrimination of the kind practiced in Thailand neither benefits the progress of society nor is it morally conscionable.

The fact the establishment is trying to deport a guy who has lived here 50 years itself says something about the rights and wrongs of the way things are here as well as the pettiness of the mindset.

Did he ever apply for Thai Citizenship?

I hope the Army Chief and those who think the people of the North & Northeast, BKK, and the south should be treated unequally are listening without having to spin, twist and distort.

No one wanted a 'separation' or 'separate the country', but you are forcing us, because of your double standard practices and injustices - socially, politically and judicially, is what I heard from this guy called 'Kotee'.

The red shirts aren't being treated differently. Look how the army is dealing with the south of Thailand.

You spin and twisted the issue that is at hand. Why don't you bother to compare that with the treatment of the activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad?

I mentioned in my post: "I hope the Army Chief and those who think the people of the North & Northeast, BKK, and the south should be treated unequally are listening without having to spin, twist and distort."

He is not the only person in Thailand who is loyal to the King. People who are loyal and loves the King would discuss and solve their grievances through people representatives and peaceful means - a democratic system of which the King is the HOS.