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The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

It is not a double standard on the part of the army. As seen in the South the military has a clear duty to deal with secessionism, which is explicitly prohibited in the Constitution and in the Penal Code. If the PDRL movement ever took, the army, which will still be around long after Yingluck, Chalerm, Suraphong and the other PT morons are forgotten, would be forced to deal with militarily. So it makes sense for them to try to nip it in the bud.

The army practices double standard on the alleged and distorted issue of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy).

The dangerous thought of separation will only materialized to a separatist movement if we do not take an understanding and tolerance approach and neutralize the feelings of hurt, injustice and inequality toward their social, political and judicial rights to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

If you want to bring up the Southern separatist movement as example, I want to ask what is your solution to bring about peace and unity and why such movement came into existence in the first place. Has tanks, and fire power bring about peace. Don't forget the Southern problems is not just separatism. Do we want a confrontational approach to materialize a separatist movement in the North? My personal attitude and answer is No. Hope you can get that through many of my postings.

The dangerous thought of separation will only materialized to a separatist movement if we do not take an understanding and tolerance approach and neutralize the feelings of hurt, injustice and inequality toward their social, political and judicial rights to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

This sounds like extortion to me. If you don't do 'take and understanding and tolerant approach', we will separate.

I cannot stop you from thinking like that. Hope that attitude of yours can solve the the social, political and judicial divides of Thailand.

BTW, I did not say " If you don't do 'take and understanding and tolerant approach', we will separate" It sounds more like the contortionist attitude of the dem's pdrc/pcad.

Going after one Indian Thai taxpayer demonstrates how vindictive and subjective Thai law and its people are.

You will find in many countries, when a foreigner involved in activities that violated the rights of other people and its citizen and political activities against a government, he would be either arrested or deported immediately.

Still wondering what the dem and its PDRC/pcad are protesting.

Corruption maybe but I can understand you might not know that because that word is not mentioned in the big red book.

Hhaahaha, corruption???? Up till this very moment, not a single PTP politician and government minister is guilty of corruption.

IMO, they are not protesting but demanding for an unconstitutional unelected government selected by a few so that their crimes and alleged wrongdoings can be swept under the carpet.

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

It is not a double standard on the part of the army. As seen in the South the military has a clear duty to deal with secessionism, which is explicitly prohibited in the Constitution and in the Penal Code. If the PDRL movement ever took, the army, which will still be around long after Yingluck, Chalerm, Suraphong and the other PT morons are forgotten, would be forced to deal with militarily. So it makes sense for them to try to nip it in the bud.

The army practices double standard on the alleged and distorted issue of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy).

The dangerous thought of separation will only materialized to a separatist movement if we do not take an understanding and tolerance approach and neutralize the feelings of hurt, injustice and inequality toward their social, political and judicial rights to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

If you want to bring up the Southern separatist movement as example, I want to ask what is your solution to bring about peace and unity and why such movement came into existence in the first place. Has tanks, and fire power bring about peace. Don't forget the Southern problems is not just separatism. Do we want a confrontational approach to materialize a separatist movement in the North? My personal attitude and answer is No. Hope you can get that through many of my postings.

You can take that arrogant, confrontational attitude toward the enraged emotion, feeling of haplessness, being treated not equal socially, politically and judiciary and that they are not part of Thailand if you want. Hope that keep the Kingdom of Thailand united and intact.

I think you may have to rewrite some of your remarks.

"the enraged emotion, feeling of haplessness, being treated not equal socially, politically and judiciary and that they are not part of Thailand"

All of the above instigated and inflamed by misinformation and propaganda supplied by Thaksin's mercenary UDD (aka Ministry of Lies).

you don't have to accept all those feelings I mentioned exist if you want. I hope your confrontational and denying approach can bring peace, reconciliation and the unifying process of the kingdom of Thailand.

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The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

It's the others, surely.

Now back to the OP with "also asked the red shirt group to stop mentioning the issue." I'm remainded of an episode of 'Faulty Towers' were the advise also was not to mention ... ...

Of course Ms. Yingluck next warned all parties including those who didn't even mention ... ...

Don't know what you are driving at. For peace, democratic system, reconciliation and the unifying of the Kingdom Of Thailand?

I thought you already told me I had the wrong attitude? Further more you publicly put me in the rubbish bin list?

Anyway I wonder how we can improve the relation with red-shirts who have been indoctrinated for years now in believing that Thaksin is their savious and ANY action is not only possible and allowed but even to be recommended in order to get rid of all those who think differently. Dr. weng calling for the 'eradication of the Democrats', Ms. Thida saying 'now it the time to wipe out the lasts of the reactionary'.

Of course if you think that's not confrontational, but perfectly normal, I fear your attitude doesn't help this Thailand.

Ya huh, you are in the rubbish bin list - forgotten about it.

You are still not offering any solution, except encouraging all sides to continue in their confrontational mode. BTW, what was wrong with Thaksin's policies during TRT's administration and now his fight for Thailand's democracy.

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

It's the others, surely.

Now back to the OP with "also asked the red shirt group to stop mentioning the issue." I'm remainded of an episode of 'Faulty Towers' were the advise also was not to mention ... ...

Of course Ms. Yingluck next warned all parties including those who didn't even mention ... ...

Don't know what you are driving at. For peace, democratic system, reconciliation and the unifying of the Kingdom Of Thailand?

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

Are you feeling OK it was not there job to condemn things that are legal. That is the work of the police.

It is how ever there job to protect the nation from separatists and that is what the red shirts and PTP have been publicly heard to advocate. It took the Prime Minister 3 days to figure out it was wrong and even at that she had to drag in people like yourself to believe the army should be keeping an eye out for the PDRC. Even while the red shirts have unknowingly backed them with their demand for local government.

Sooner or later they are going to get their head cut off while it is still in the sand.

You can take that arrogant, confrontational attitude toward the enraged emotion, feeling of haplessness, being treated not equal socially, politically and judiciary and that they are not part of Thailand if you want. Hope that keep the Kingdom of Thailand united and intact.

I think you may have to rewrite some of your remarks.

The attitude of the army is clear - double standard. Almost every time the RED/UDD has some counter activity against the dem's pdrc/pcad or activity in protecting democracy, the army made veiled threat of coup and harsh action. It did not condemn the invading and occupying of government offices and state buildings. It did not condemn the human right violation by the dem's pdrc/pcad and allies on sabotaging election process and physical violence against voters. It did not condemn and take action when they were being provoked to stage coup and the seditious speeches on stage by the dem's pdrc/pcad and it allies leaders and speakers.

IMO, in the context of social, political and strange development in the judiciary now experiencing by Thais, those speeches are 'speeches of separation'.

The RED/UDD are already feeling being pushed to the edge of the cliff, the double-standard attitude of the army adds to their dangerous emotion.

IMO, the proper approach of the military is to engage the RED/UDD in a positive manner through talks like that of calling for talk with the dem's pdrc/pcad. Defending that "..... the caretaker government and anti-protest command had already dealt with the PDRC, while the Army initiated legal action against the secession call, which he said represented "clear and present danger" does not answer the double-standard response of the army.

The army's response when a people elected government with the king as HOS was facing "clear and present danger" was that it does not want to take side while at the same time accused the law enforcement agencies of using force to reinstate law and order. There was no 'anti-protest command' but a CMPO -The Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order. It is the duty and responsibility of a Government to reinstate law and order and enforcing the rule of law.

I hope the army's action will not enrage the RED/UDD further. Though Secession remains a dangerous thought in the heart and mind of the Northern and ISaan people, activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" - Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy) should be viewed with understanding and tolerance and their dangerous feeling neutralized to that of reconciliation and the unifying of Thailand.

The Northern and Isaan people wanted to be treated equal socially, politically and judicially. To them, they are being treated as not being part of Thailand and that the King does not belong to them by the people of BKK.

I wonder how the dem can improve their relationship with the northern people and gain their support with their confrontational attitude and counter actions. It only further proved that the dem are not treating them as part of Thailand and that it does not support democracy.

Still wondering what the dem and its PDRC/pcad are protesting.

"“The Pathum Thani hospital does not want cheaters of the people, violence, start national reform now. No standing space for cheaters.”

Dr Songphol Chavarntanpipat lied. He was pressured to put up the banner - pitied him. It was a banner of accusation and political tone. The business of the hospital is to heal not promote hatred by putting such kind of banner unrelated to healing. The hospital sparked the controversy not other.

Of course you have evidence he was pressured which you are going to share with us?

Otherwise you would qualify the statement as just being your opinion rather than presenting it as a fact.

I know this would come. The clear evidence is from this news report.

Dr Songphol complained that the hospital was caught in the dilemma between two opposing groups of people. “When we did not put up the banner, we were accused by one side that we belong to the other camp. And when we put up the banner, we were accused by the other camp,” he said.

He lied because he:

However, he maintained that the message in the banner did not blame any particular group of people as the wordings used were general and neutral.

If there is cheating in the hospital, they should report to relevant authority. If there is violence in the hospital, they should bring in the security and law enforcement. If they want to involve in reform, then engage each other positively, not shouting through a banner.

I think the hospital should be investigated if indeed there was cheating/cheater and violence in the hospital that prompted them to put up such banner.

"The Pathum Thani hospital does not want cheaters of the people, violence, start national reform now. No standing space for cheaters.

Dr Songphol Chavarntanpipat lied. He was pressured to put up the banner - pitied him. It was a banner of accusation and political tone. The business of the hospital is to heal not promote hatred by putting such kind of banner unrelated to healing. The hospital sparked the controversy not other.

How does this banner promote hate?

The political undertone. No reason for a hospital to put up a banner that says it ..."does not want cheaters of the people, violence, start national reform now. No standing space for cheaters". If they know of any cheating or cheater, they should report to the relevant authority. If they know of any violence at the hospital, they should also call in the security and the law enforcement. If they want reform, than engage each other in a positive manner, not shouting through a banner.

Sad that medical professional are being used as political tool for not wanting reform within themselves. They should prove themselves to be worthy of they position and pay, remuneration, reward and entitlement.

I think the hospital should be investigated if indeed there was cheating/cheater and violence in the hospital that prompted them to put up such banner.

I am not privy to the NACC's charges documents. From what the NACC public statements to the medias, I gathered that:

1. Caretaker PM ignored the warning of the possible wide spread corrupt and irregular practices and called for it to drop the policy. IMO, while this warning is helpful, but not necessary that a policy of a government to be dropped.

2. She knew about the corrupt and irregular practices. IMO, On the day of the filing of complaint to the day of acknowledgement of charges, there was not a single government official and minister found guilty of these allegations.

3. That the scheme created financial strain to the State. - This is a narrow personal view on a wider economic perspective of the Government. The scheme was never meant to be a direct money making machine but primary to help the rice farmer which in turn will encourage domestic consumption and growth. It encourage rice farmers to continue farming for food security and the development and growth of related industries.

4. Thar the G-to-G contract was faked. Globally or at least to some countries in the region, G-To-G arrangement and agreement on food is a sensitive national security issue. Access to such information has to follow some security procedures. Yet, we have not found anyone guilty of such allegation, up to this day.

Still apologising for the incompetence of your favourite useless politician, so lets look at your points -

1 Anyone given a warning as she was by such a number of people, economists from the Bank of Thailand, lawyers from the NACC and many others., she went on regardless. That's negligence, with which she has been rightly accused of.

2 Of course there hasn't been anyone found guilty of any allegations, because no-one has been charged or taken to court about them, that's why. Sheesh, is there a brain in there?

3 Not at all, it was the view of many well-respected and highly placed experts. And it's just been announced there will be no third planting, so where is that going to do as you say?

4 See 2 above.

You really ought to stop these stupid posts, you know. You fool no-one, and just make yourself look like a red-shirt Yinglack apologist - which is what you are.

1. This argument only proved you are incapable of initiating any big worthy project including those things in your personal life. You chicken out on different opinions and perspective from outside forces.

2. I was talking "On the day of the filing of complaint to the day of acknowledgement of charges, there was not a single government official and minister found guilty of these allegations." There is no massive corruption as accused as of today. You probably does not have a brain capable of knowing that no one taken to court means no massive corruption. BTW, I did not say no-one has been charged. I said : there was not a single government official and minister FOUND GUILTY of these allegations.

3. Again, it proved that you are not a visionary person and incapable of big task. They are well-respected and highly placed experts that do not take a narrow personal view on a wider economic perspective of the scheme.

4. See 2 above.

Your last paragraph is telling you that you really ought to stop this kind of silly, arrogant, confrontational, dictatorial attitudes. If you cannot accept rebuttal and/or different opinion from other, I think you better stop hurting yourself emotionally further. You are not fixing anything but destroying.

Don't worry, the DSI will do it if there is evidence that there was a public declaration to secede northern region to establish an independent state.

However, the dem's pdrc/pcad should know that the Sor Por Por Lanna stands for Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy), is to protect the democratic system with the king as the HOS.

They are enough evidence to prove that the activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad and allied groups are insurrection, seditious and rebellion against the state if there is no social, political and judicial injustices and double standard.

The DSI is not interested to investigate the largest corruption scam in Thai history. Why should we have fate in the DSI? Please explain why you say "don't worry".

Its already mentioned in my posting!

What largest corruption scam in Thai history you were talking? The investigation on dem's Thai Khem Kaeng program that still remain dormant in the NACC's shelf?

The polling took place in districts where the Democrat party is strong.

Considering the past violence associated with the election and the recent drive by shootings, many people were not willing to run the risk of being injured. Keep in mind that the same group that attempted to block the last election is still present and voters have still experienced intimidation and threats that if they went to vote, they would suffer the consequences. When local agitators are sitting outside polling places making a record of who is voting, it is to be expected that people will put their life and safety ahead of casting a ballot.

You mean like in the red shirt villages with total control.

But this is a great victory fort Thailand again no government can be formed.. one more day and the caretaker is gone. Then a month more and the elections are invalid.

People just did not want to vote..

The election was called in accordance with the construction and Royal Decree.

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The low turned up was as expected. They should have had turned up full force and vote no. Now they risk losing their voting right if they cannot come up with good reason.

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Don't worry, the DSI will do it if there is evidence that there was a public declaration to secede northern region to establish an independent state.

However, the dem's pdrc/pcad should know that the Sor Por Por Lanna stands for Samatcha Pokpong Prachathipatai of Lanna (council of Lanna people to protect democracy), is to protect the democratic system with the king as the HOS.

They are enough evidence to prove that the activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad and allied groups are insurrection, seditious and rebellion against the state if there is no social, political and judicial injustices and double standard.

A civil war or even the though of it would not have surfaced if they were no activities engineered for the purpose of overthrowing a people elected government with the king as the HOS. They would be no counter activities if people are treated equal socially, politically, and judicially.

Suthep and the dem and its pdrc/pcad and other "Thaksin-hate" groups should not even worry about it if they return home and abide by democratic system with the king as the HOS.

Confrontational attitude, activities outside of the constitution from all sides had proven not solving the problems and divides of Thailand. We can argue ourselves into winning an argument but what is the point of that winning if we lost something that is precious to all of us.

Talk and negotiation in confrontation mode is no talk and negotiation at all. Without an equal administration and enforcement of rule of law without fear and favour, no agreement and arrangement will ever be sustainable. When rule of law does not prevail, everyone begins to write their own laws.

Repeating misinformation doesn't make it any more credible. Unless you can provide some evidence that PDRC or any group associated with Suthep is suggesting "'overhthrowing the system" rather than removing a corrupt government and implementing measures to prevent future corrupt governments, I will take this as more Thaksin/PTP/UDD propaganda (aka BS).

The purpose of dem and its pdrc/pcad is to install a government outside of constitution to whitewash and sweep under the carpet all their alleged wrongdoings and help to further the 'elite power' by building up a regime that called 'thaksin regime'

For evidence on overthrowing of a government engineering through activities outside of the constitution : At least Suthep is under arrest warrant on insurrection. The activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad are as clear as water : threatening to shutdown a city if elected government does not resign is a terrorist threat, invading and occupying of state offices and buildings are insurrection activities, blocking of election process and physical intimidation of voters are against the democratic system with the king as HOS.

Up till this date, there is not a single PTP politician or minster guilty of corruption. However, under the scrutiny of the people, it is observed that the so called independence agencies are attempting to convict PTP politicians like that of convicting the late Samart - cooking show, Thaksin - for abiding a law required of him to give consent for his wife to buy property. Dissolving PPP without calling 300 defense witness and the right to defense. One would still suspect, the judiciary will continue to apply "Evidence and witnesses are useless!"

BTW, the topic is

Advocates of separatism warned by army chief

Sorry, I forgot that you are from the "elected people can break any law without consequences" school of thought.

Perhaps you will soon realise the difference between false-claim charges and actual sedition - advocating secession and raising an illegal militia. But of course, you will claim as usual that the courts are biased (they always are when they disagree with red thought) and call a legitimate legal process a "judicial coup" or some similar garbage.

I have to wonder what you will call the results of the re-run election when PTP is reduced to a nub - an electoral coup perhaps.

Sorry, confrontational, pointing finger attitude suck and does not solve any problem but enlarge it. The problems and the divides in Thailand is not so simplistic as you want to make it up to be.

IMO, the army seems to have two standard of reactions. The army was reported to had filed a complaint with police alleged that "Sor Por Por Lanna" activities were treason in violation of Sections 113 and 114 of the Criminal Code. Whilst, it did not file any complaint with the police when the dem's pdrc/pcad was : inciting people to overthrown the people elected government with the king as the HOS, instigating the army to stage coup (take side), issued terrorist threat to shutdown BKK if the people elected government does not resign, physically invaded and occupied government offices and buildings.

Instead of engaging such distorted information on the activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" in a peaceful manner through talks to get the background and purpose of their activities, the army choose a confrontational mode. This is worrying especially the people in the North and Northeast are saying that they have been stepping backward many steps and now do not want to be pushed over the cliff.

I hope the move by the army will not further enrage the people and confirmed their belief that the army is also behind and supporting the activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad - the activities engineered to seize power from a people elected government with the king as the HOS and install an unelected government by a selected few.

Repeating misinformation doesn't make it any more credible. Unless you can provide some evidence that PDRC or any group associated with Suthep is suggesting "'overhthrowing the system" rather than removing a corrupt government and implementing measures to prevent future corrupt governments, I will take this as more Thaksin/PTP/UDD propaganda (aka BS).

The purpose of dem and its pdrc/pcad is to install a government outside of constitution to whitewash and sweep under the carpet all their alleged wrongdoings and help to further the 'elite power' by building up a regime that called 'thaksin regime'

For evidence on overthrowing of a government engineering through activities outside of the constitution : At least Suthep is under arrest warrant on insurrection. The activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad are as clear as water : threatening to shutdown a city if elected government does not resign is a terrorist threat, invading and occupying of state offices and buildings are insurrection activities, blocking of election process and physical intimidation of voters are against the democratic system with the king as HOS.

Up till this date, there is not a single PTP politician or minster guilty of corruption. However, under the scrutiny of the people, it is observed that the so called independence agencies are attempting to convict PTP politicians like that of convicting the late Samart - cooking show, Thaksin - for abiding a law required of him to give consent for his wife to buy property. Dissolving PPP without calling 300 defense witness and the right to defense. One would still suspect, the judiciary will continue to apply "Evidence and witnesses are useless!"

BTW, the topic is

Advocates of separatism warned by army chief

IMO, the army seems to have two standard of reactions. The army was reported to had filed a complaint with police alleged that "Sor Por Por Lanna" activities were treason in violation of Sections 113 and 114 of the Criminal Code. Whilst, it did not file any complaint with the police when the dem's pdrc/pcad was : inciting people to overthrown the people elected government with the king as the HOS, instigating the army to stage coup (take side), issued terrorist threat to shutdown BKK if the people elected government does not resign, physically invaded and occupied government offices and buildings.

Instead of engaging such distorted information on the activities of "Sor Por Por Lanna" in a peaceful manner through talks to get the background and purpose of their activities, the army choose a confrontational mode. This is worrying especially the people in the North and Northeast are saying that they have been stepping backward many steps and now do not want to be pushed over the cliff.

I hope the move by the army will not further enrage the people and confirmed their belief that the army is also behind and supporting the activities of the dem's pdrc/pcad - the activities engineered to seize power from a people elected government with the king as the HOS and install an unelected government by a selected few.

No, the article was not wrong but it did not go into enough depth about the actual election and the reasons for boycott. They have never said they did not want elections, they didn't want the last one because it was just a scam. It is my belief that the anti-Thaksin government protesters want elections, they want elections without the Thaksin clan. That is the only way elections can be truly representative. They want elections where the politicians are representative of the people, not Thaksin. On the face of things it would appear that the people elected who they thought were best for the job. Appearances are often deceiving. And as is the case in Amerika, with enough money and propaganda you can actually fool some of the people all the time so that they actually vote against their own interests. That, along with voter manipulation, is the only reason teabag repugthuglicans are ever elected to anything.

Elections where it 'forcibly' excludes any eligible person is not constitutional and undemocratic. It is a violation of rights. The dem boycotted because they have no confidence in their policies and their ability to run the country with the 'Thaksin influence' or the emerging power of the people around. Unlike PTP and other political parties, despite not having the advantages of military and powerful businesses influence, they join the democratic process.

To ensure free and fair election is the duty and responsibility of EC and relevant agencies, not the Dem. The dem wants power, but they do not want to have it through legitimate, legal, democratic process. They are afraid of the people's mandate.

The argument that "They want elections where the politicians are representative of the people, not Thaksin." is a very poor one. Thaksin and his TRT was the first party in Thai political history that fulfilled all its election promises. It was the first political party in Thai history to complete full term and went on to win elections. The people can always vote politicians out if they don't represent them.

BTW, the topic is

US urges probe into Thailand attacks

A signal in my opinion from the US that it knows the Shins are on their way out, because any investigation into this is only going to land the responsibility for the bombings on the Red side. If the US thought the Shins were safely ensconced, it would not want any investigation to further embarrass and destabilize them. In effect: the US is dumping its Shin allies.

The dem's pdrc/pcad are putting the children in dangers - Children at risk

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