Eric Loh
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Shocking comment by some not showing an iota of empathy. Perhaps they are Russian trying to protect their own. Whether who is in the wrong, the right way is to stop and help. Both flee the scene!!! Is there anymore to say??
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So much talk of government corruption but yet no one in the government has been convicted of corruption. Rice scheme charge is about dereliction of duties, infrastructure and water projects have not even started. Someone please point out a corruption conviction, someone from the government that is actually charged and convicted.
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So, just checking to see if I have it right .... ...
Anybody can lay siege to polling places for a legitimate election thereby stopping people from voting: the police do nothing and the courts say .."Oh wait, that wasn't a real election 'cos some polling booths were closed off !
The Democrats say .. I'm taking my bat n ball and not playing'
A madman decides he doesn't want elections and he should have sovereign power.
The courts think .. 'Hmmm yep ..that sounds about right.'
What a joke.
This is not a joke.
This is exactly how Thailand needs to do to get rid of the evil Thaksin, and his whole family, clan, friends, etc.
And who would you think will get rid of the evil Suterp, conniving Ahbisit and the scheming Amarts after they get rid of the evil Taksin and his family. This no solution but a continuation of the division. Dem must reform to challenge PT in an election. Suterp must push for dialogue for reform and made reform a decree with royal endorsement and agreed by all parties. Courts must stop their double standard and PT must listen to all the stakeholders.
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Wonder how/where Suterp will spend his Songkran. Should be with his supporters in Lumpini, fishing perhaps.
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The judiciary's power will also enter a vacuum if a major political camp dismisses its power citing discrimination and biased rulings.
A stand has to be made.
A nation cannot exist if the courts continually throw out elected governments on trumped up charges.
The courts are not the last bastion of hope, they are the last remaining stronghold of the anti-democrats.
It is in the courts that the reforms this country so desperately need must begin and the reform process begins with PTP not accepting anymore biased rulings against them.
Those concerned about a power vacuum should be out campaigning for new elections to be held ASAP
The courts administer the law they do not make the law. Their interpretation of the words that are written which are the law (to express the intention of parliament which makes the law) may not always match the intention. That is the failure of the people codifying the law and parliament can then amend the law to bring it more into line with the intention. In this way the courts can 'tone down' laws and delay for a short time, stupid laws from having full force.
Thai language is really not terribly well suited to clarity, or so it seems to me. Thais never get straight to the point, they take every twist and turn to hide their real intention. This is the way the Thai language has evolved and often Thais misunderstand each other because the meanings of words can be wide.
When this weaves itself into law it leaves wide interpretation. Thais use this regularly to promote their agendas whether it be interpretation of work permits, the building code or whatever. Of course this is a great benefit to the corrupt.
Add to that the fact that some in the judiciary are open to corruption as well, and the result is not a very effective justice system, even less so with the corruption that is the police force. Corruption is everywhere through everything so is it surprising that this impasse that has arisen?
So many people belong impeached by the NACC, so it seems to be doing at least part of its job because can any one here think the people involved are all squeaky clean. The NACC probably has a lot more work to do yet - on both sides of this political maelstrom.
A court is only as good as the quality of its judges.
The way these guys got their jobs is the root of the problem with the courts.
Fix the constitution, return the senate to the people and we are back on the path to a decent and respectable judiciary.
remind me.
How did Yingluck get her job?
Elected while court judges are appointed by their own inner circle.
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The comments here are so funny - like this is a case about the constitution or justice or wrongdoing. Hey people, this is all about power politics and Thai backroom games. The yellows - or BKK elite or PDRC or Suthep's Crew or whatever we want to call them under the current iteration - control the EC, courts, NACC and military. The reds - or Thaksin's Boys or upcountry folk or serfs - have the numbers. Both fight over the media and public space. The yellows - and let's stick to colors for simplicity - have to decide how much of their power they can use without really upsetting the masses. Can they throw her out? Of course, whether she broke the law or not - that is not the question. What will result? Well that is the question, as it appears the protests / Bangkok mob haven't worked, and the military is unwilling to make a move and take the blame. So a judicial coup or whatever you want to call this process is going to happen. But you all can go back to arguing about the law, like that matters, and demonstrate your naivete.
Last time I checked the Yellows were a dead issue. they removed them selves from the political scene in their failed attempt to get Abhist to go to war with Cambodia. In fact their leader is in a Cambodian jail.
My big question is why do the red shirts continually try to blame it on a defunct section of the population when the truth is it is the grass roots people in the population who have brought the situation to the attention of the whole world and refuse to cover it up to make the PTP and their red shirts hired goons happy?
I do have one answer but I can not verify it.. Let the ear medicine flow. Not
As I mentioned, the bottles change, the wine stays the same. Yellows, PDRC, PAD, whatever. They are the same, fronted by one face or another. Same on the other side, they are just more consistent in terms of sticking with their color. Hired goons? Both have those, just try walking through Lumpini in a red jumper and you can prove that.
Wrong again but you can be excused you are obviously a red shirt. They are a group of grass roots people made up of many different groups. Yes the remnants of the Yellow shirts have seen the light but they are just a small part of it. Their is more white faces than them. But you have to bring a negative value into your post. So you get in your time machine and go back into history to find a group that will do that for you. Wake up this is 2014 not 2010m or 2011.
I can understand you being a red shirt why it would go over your head that the people are tired of the corrupt nepotistic government and want a government that cares for the nation. Not one that cares only for one man.
No small part as far as I see. Half of the PDRC leaders are ex-PAD. Name you some - Nitthithorn Lamleua, Uthai Yodmanee, Pipol Thongchai, Somkiat Pongpaiboon, Somsak Kosaisuuk. And remember most of the ex-Dem MPs were on the stage of the PAD.
I don't like corruption too and not particularly RED and Taksin fan but I dislike more when corrupted people try to pretend they are more righteous and try to snatch power without an election. I still believe that my vote counts.
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When the same judiciary modus operandi is being used again, people wake up to this form of corruption. Not only politics have been subvert by greying these branch of power; governace of the country is also impeded by continous court decisions like the infrastructure and water projects. The first reform must be directed at the judiciary as we need impartial courts. However we don't hear that from Suterp.
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This monk has an affinity for cash.
I wonder what Buddha would think of him?
Your just as bad as the newspaper, and if he knew who you really are, and not just a coward that hides behind a keyboard
He could Sue you as well for this comment
Please show me proof that he wanted this money for himself
Why he can not want the monies to help the priesthood
everyday people donate money to Monks, and this money goes to the temples and priesthood
so are they all have an affinity to Cash
On this subject you will get no argument from me, but I keep my thoughts to my self
You have insulted every Thai who loves the Monkhood with your posting
I hope you will now be a real man and apoligise to Thais for you comment made before thinking them through
This is the monk who recently extorted B120,000 from a hotel isn't it?
Your ability to commit libel is outstanding
extorted I hope you can prove that
Other may say it was compenstation
So I guess in your mind, billions of baht every year are extorted from Thais to give to the temples
Please show us the facts that this money was kept by him for his own financial gain?
an apoligy to the Thai people would be nice !!!!!
Compensation is to recompense suitably. He book 10 rooms but asked for 120,000B. Certainly no suitabilty and there was threat (extortion) when you have a big group of people at your hotel lobby. Similar to PDRC leader Witthaya and his group harassing M-link, owned by niece of Taksin to sell their mobile phone at 10,000 when the standard is 15,000B. No choice but have to give in to such threat. Witthaya then said he will come back to buy 1,000 sets and if not given the same discounted price, he will file case with the police. Clear cut threats. Conclusion both are extortion cases.
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The suburb with large houses (not condo living) and greens with low traffic volume. Mmmmm Ram Intra.
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I understand his remarks in a different way:
It's very clear what Suthep meant by his well thought out remarks.I don't know exactly what Suthep meant by his apparently ill-considered remarks and I don't suppose many other people do either. But the caretaker government's response seems to be an overreaction. Article 113 of the Penal Code that they are asking their DSI poodles to investigate only deals with violence or threats of violence used to overthrow the government or constitution. Suthep didn't actually mention anything about violence in his ramblings. That has so far been the sole prerogative of government ministers and their red shirts who are threatening to form an armed volunteer force.
The government failed to react to separatist threats by their paid red shirt lackeys and announcements by government ministers of the formation of an armed terrorist group. Now they are up in arms about some incomprehensible nonsense spouted by Suthep on the stage. Yingluck is even trying to involve the Army Chief, while her moronic cousin, 'Dr' Suraphong, is trying to get the US ambassadress to take her break from her adoring devotion to Thai people and culture to dial in an air strike on the monitor lizards of Lumpini Park. Double standards?
The courts throw out Yingluck and he takes over to do whatever he pleases, whenever he pleases to whomever he pleases.
Its exactly what unelected tyrants do, so no real surprises here. The only ones that are shocked are the idiots who bought into Sutheps lies about fighting corruption and "restoring" democracy.
It seems the supposedly dimwitted red shirts supporters are far more clever than the Suthep loving farangs when it comes to picking lying cheating dictators in the making.
When the courts rightfully decide that Yingluck has to be removed from office
and Yingluck and the PTP ignore the law and just stay in office - which can be expected
In this case the law has to be enfortced
which is the job of police
If they do not do that - which is what can be expected
the people have to do that - and he will help.
If the constitutional judges don't subvert the judiciary system, she will be acquitted. If they do convict, she will exit. There are capable deputy to step in. The real coup will be that the judges completely tear the law to shred and rule the whole cabinet out and creat a power vacuum. Who knows then. They should be wise enough not to do that.
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How will the EC set a new election date without a new royal decree? They talk about elections within so many days of a royal decree but there seems no way of issuing one.
Dont need a new royal decree if held within legal timeframe. Previous royal decree suffice. Beyond that time frame, it's a problem.
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This is no comment one way or the other on Suthep's verbal ramblings... But just a question.
Is there any real difference between a military coup, of which Thailand has had made, vs. a, for lack of a better term, a "people's coup"?
AFAIK, the military have no legal right under any Thai law to overthrow a sitting, elected Thai government -- no matter how bad it may be. Yet they've done so many times.
So how would a people's coup be any different -- other than that the military has the weapons and force to better execute such a thing, compared to the average citizens on the street. Although, these days, based on the numbers of shootings and grenade attacks occurring, the citizens on the street seem to be pretty well armed.
A coup is a coup. For those who believe in democracy, it is never correct. For others, best evaluated a few years hence.
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So on that basis, the 2010 red shirt protests were an attempted coup also? The demands were the same, that the current sitting Govt step down.
Wrong. the UDD 2010 protest was to ask the government who was formed by means of judiciary coups to hold an election. Suterp is just the opposite. No election but his personal appointment of the PM. See the difference??
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Suterp has actually done a lot of damage to his former party by splitting up their supporters. Both shared the same voters base. Come election and it will happen sooner or later, there will be those who support Suterp and will probably not vote or vote no and some who is just feed-up with the Dem antics and cross over. This happen in the 2010 election causing a landslide loss to the Dem and will benefit PT and more possibly the fringe parties to gain on the Dem strongholds. As for Suterp, really a dead end for him and he will fade away like Chamlong or Sonthi.
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Expect the Nation to pick their best photo for the UDD and the PDRC. Moving on.....
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Suterp just hang himself with this speech. Worse part is getting royal endorsement for an illegal and non-constitutional act. That can turn LM in a flash. Anyway, he has to be stopped and he just did that himself. Getting too drunk on his own perceived success can made you careless.
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Clever piece of marketing by the UDD. After the mayhem created by them in 2010, this peaceful and short rally really put shame to the PDRC violent and prolong rallies which paralyse many major intersections in Bangkok recently. Suterp must do more by calling their allies Student Network and Issara Buddha to stop their rallies and join him in Lumpini. And also stop the paralysing of government offices and intimidation of public and private businesses. He needs a wholesale marketing overhaul or he will not be seen as peaceful protest by the general public even if their friendly court said so.
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Suterp has only one reform; rest of the reform by others are for aesthetic and to be ignored when he achieved his victory. He only have personal jealousy with the Shin wealth and want to take that away; that's his reform.
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That would made Prayuth mighty angry. Lately he has been rather offensive towards the PDRC and I hope this time he pull Suterp aside and give him a good dressing down.
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Must say, I think he's 100% right as in any country the army man has to see themselves as employees of the government and his comparison to the business structure is exactly true.Prayuth refuses to involve the army in politics
BANGKOK, 4 March 2014 (NNT) - The Army Chief has requested protestors, especially the Peoples Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), to not persuade the army to choose any sides because it may lead to a bigger conflict.
Army Chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha defended himself regarding a comment he made earlier that ousting the current government would be the equivalent of having employees fire the owner of the company. Needless to say, that comment received a lot of criticism and made a number of people enraged.
General Prayuth mentioned that his remarks were only a comparison to an organizations business structure and should be taken as anything more serious. The Army Chief also requested the protestors not to push for the armys involvement in the political conflicts as it could escalate the level of violence.
Meanwhile, Deputy Army Spokesman Colonel Vinthai Suwaree has declared that the Army will provide the best level of protection to everybody and monitor any suspicious activities in the political protests.
-- NNT 2014-04-04
I think the army should come in and clear Lumpini as the dems did in 2010.
I think the army should come in and clear Lumpini as the dems did in 2010.
If you believe that the two situations are comparable, then you have no idea what the current protests are about...!
Don't need the army, they will be gone by Songkran. Suterp will not have the money to pay treble day rate.
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Flamesfan, they probably don't know they given you the domestic rate. Good for you. Stay quiet, their fault.
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I asked the same thing for my small restuarant. There are actually 2 type of rates - domestic and commercial. Obviously the commercial is higher and I think Natway qoute of 2,780B is correct.
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Again, with feeling.
Let me respond to selected quotes that jump out at someone having equal understanding of the UDD/Red shirts/PTP, as that expressed in this spin from the other side of the Political Divide:
>>>"Govt at risk of sinking after being steered into one storm after another..."
Not the Govt....The electoral majority and their votes selecting this Govt......It is they who are being accosted.....Trying to separate the Govt. as an isolated entity, is advantageous to the Opposition.....Tackling an electoral majority as they are doing would be embarrassing for them.
>>>"As the attempts to discredit independent agencies continue..."
Again, the Opposition seeking to normalize the abnormal nature of these instruments being used to advance their coupist intentions.....For that objective, it is important for them to characterize these agencies as normative....Being anti-democratic power-grabbers because they cannot win an election, would be viewed as being against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy...A fact they want to hide....Ostensibly, they would suggest they are not against electoral and Parliamentary Democracy, but fail to indicate that they are only in favor when it favors them....which given their electoral futility, it definitely does not.
>>>"However, all we see is this ship, captained by Yingluck, gearing up for all the storms in sight, heedless of the shouted warnings from outsiders"
In this case, there are not shouted warnings from outsiders, but coup intentioned shouts from an electoral minority...espousing minority rule.
>>>"Independent agencies and academics have warned Yingluck and the government many times about actions that could eventually damage the country"
The so-called Independent agencies and Ammart elitist academics warnings, are part of a pattern more aptly characterized as a "creeping coup" The latest move, which sees the Elitist Constitutional Court accepting a case against Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra that will have it ruling within about two weeks.
The case accepted by the kangaroo court was submitted by a group of senators led by Paiboon Nititawan. This unelected senator is a regular petitioner to the Constitutional Court and a member of the anti-Thaksin group of appointed senators with Elitist and military ties
>>>"If Yingluck and her government cling to their prejudices and their will to win, they might come to the end of their rope"
More factually stated, that if the electoral majority cling to their voting choices, they will face a coup by an unelectable minority who arrogantly dismiss that majority, and who feel entitled to govern, elections be d......
we have the moral highground (not understood by many TVF posters) but I fear the judiciary will destroy, temporarily, the anti-Ammart grassroots movement
they have already disqualified elections held by Royal Decree because thugs blocked voting - a clear indication that it is "OK" to block a minority of voting and bring down the majority of the Thai people and control them in a vice-like judicial grip
next is bring down the PM for daring to move the nations Security Chief to another post (a common practice that Abhisit also used and EVERY government in the world uses when administrations change)
where to next? I can understand the fury that will follow
'Moral highground' ?You call stealing hundreds of billions of baht and murdering 20 people including children 'moral highground' ? Would hate to know what you consider the low ground to be !!!
Elections do not make people's crimes moral.
next is bring down the PM for daring to move the nations Security Chief to another post (a common practice that Abhisit also used and EVERY government in the world uses when administrations change)
Of course you convenmiently neglect to mention that he was transferred so that Yingluck could install yet another of her relatives nepotistically as police chief so that the Shin clan could strengthen its grip on the corrupt police force to control the country for their own gain. Stop spinning and let's have the whole truth instead of your skewed, distorted, biased bs version of it.
We certainly like to hear your truth. Kindly provide any conviction related billions stole and also the charges of person involved relating to the death of 20 people including children. You can't have imaginary truth or the evidence that you have are from Suterp speeches.
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If you been here long enough, you will realise that there are working and university girls who do part-time prostitution. Not trying to imply anything but just stating a known information.
Abhisit challenges PM Yingluck to quit
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Would it be more politically correct to say that she should not resign and continue to be the caretaker PM until the next election in order to maintain law and order. Illegal anarchist like Suterp should never be rewarded by breaking the law. It's the PDRC that is ruining the economy and creatifng political chaos?