marshbags

The fact that many people on Thai Visa have been here for 15-20 years and say they have seen very few or no guns is no surprise. If all you do is meet up with your workers/friends, stay at home alone or with your wife/family and go out to the local bars, restaurants, shops, malls etc., you will probably see a gun once in a great while. If you get out in to the Thai community and integrate with the Thai community you would probably be amassed with what you see and experience. (if and when they attempt to accept you). Speaking Thai goes a long way (if it’s used in the right way). If you have been here for 5+ years you should be able to communicate in basic Thai. There are very few reasonable excuses for you not to. Most people don't except or like it when foreigners come to "their" country and don't learn the lingo. Why should it be different here. We are all foreigners. This is not "our" country. You have to be able to adapt, accept or compromise with the way it is here. That or you can live here feeling ostracized. Don't think that you'll be 100% accepted into the society, you should know better by now. Respecting culture can go a long way.

"We're not in kansas anymore."

Been here 20 years going back and forth to the UK a s and when I need to.

My reaction to your post is one of amazement at how out of touch you are with reality not only here in Thailand but overseas.

As I do not wish to go off topic to much I will decline from mentioning the U.K,s policy apart from many cannot speak our language.

While learning Thai is an asset to many, it is not essential to do so, especially with tourist areas all around the country.

You also fail to recognise that many living here no longer have the desire or the incentives to do so, that is of course providing they are still gifted with the ability to do so.

Integrating is what most of us have been doing since we first arrived. and indeed having married Thai ladies as you appreciate is a sure way of getting to know Thai culture, it,s traditions and all it incorporates.

WE are well and truly adapted and also well aware of the shortcomings that are out there, learn to live with them and also avoid most of the trouble they can cause.

We who are polite, cheerful and respectful and are appreciated by all with a similar demeanour and are warmly accepted.

WE can communicate in many ways and while speaking the language is helpful, it is not essential.

Being a decent friendly person, showing respect and understanding have always helped me and this applies to most others when out and about in the community.

Thai Visa members are well versed on the happenings both within and outside their respective places of abode and come under the above.

Those who are not soon show otherwise and swiftly fall by the wayside in one way or another as we do not suffer fools gladly, nor tolerate them, as you will know.

Yes we tend to be home loving, but this does not mean we literally stay in during our time here and do not integrate.

We are also, due to our experiences, knowledgable in how to minimise problems and in most cases as stated, avoid them.

Guns are always out there as indeed are the knives ect. but being street wise tends to keep you safe and teaches how to recognise threatening situations and how to steer clear of them.

I have learned basic words and sentences that are equal to everyday polite ones used back home, but again while they are appreciated they are not essential.

A friendly smile on the other hand is, if you wish to be accepted and can more than make up for not being able to speak Thai ( for what ever reasons.)

A genuine good heart and humility are soon noticed and never forgotten and that applies to anywhere in the outside world.

IMHO and experience.

marshbags

................Anyone and everyone can purchase a gun anywhere................

I asked for a Glock 10 in my local 7/11 and they said they don't stock firearms.

..............and they can be illegally bought without any of the legally required conditions being fullfilled.

Nothing like a contradiction to confuse the topic.

" Anyone and everyone can purchase a gun anywhere and they can be illegally bought without any of the legally required conditions being fullfilled "

One compliments the other IMHO and the point I make is that there is no requirement as per the established law and makes it very easy therefore to purchase a gun.

What,s the point of having laws if they do not serve their purpose.

This for me is meaningless if it is not enforced.

Sure they can by easily purchased via unscrupulous dealers ect. ect. but surely stricter control of distribution should be the desired objective and detrimental penalties enforced BIG TIME when the laws are broken / ignored.

The most upsetting thing about the students for me is the inability of the educational authorities and the parents who are seemingly letting situations develop into the horrific scenarios that are becoming, " like a badge of honour " to the various institutions they represent.

How many parents on this thread would not know / or would not care what their siblings are getting up to especially with them being well pubicised with a predictable outcome ?

Zero I would like to think...Make that I know it would be Zero

Most / all would surely intervene and make sure they are well out of it all, being responsible and loving parents.

AS for the sources of were the guns are coming from, some parents knowingly leave them in places where it is all to easy for there children to access them....why in hells name do they do this ????

Self policing if nothing else can become effective in preventing these tragic and reocurring scenarios getting out of hand before the situations become life threatening.

marshbags and

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" Others say that the seeming impunity enjoyed by the wealthy has prompted some to take the law into their own hands."

Make no mistake the impunity of not only the wealthy but those in those in positions of authority who are forever in the headlines re ownership of an abundance of weaponry at their disposal and do not hesitate to use them.

Governmental officials are forever misusing their positions and do not hesitate to use the gun when their power is questioned and in many cases their reputations are threatened by exposure of unlawfull misuse of authority.

How easy it is and increasing become more so to silence indiscretions and competitors for everyone who is lacking integrity, basic human decency and values.

The police are forever in the headlines for intimidating the public with their guns and again would not hesitate to use them indiscriminately when they wish to show authority / exert and display their power.

Many intoxicated and unable / incapable of restraint, especially when loss of face is involved.

The going rate 20 years ago for a hired assasin was 2-5000 baht and you can get one today for the same prices with many assasinations left undetected or the perpetrators being brought to justice and account.

Anyone and everyone can purchase a gun anywhere and they can be illegally bought without any of the legally required conditions being fullfilled.

Percentage wise how many offenders are arrested, charged and convicted of their evil cold blooded crimes as against those who get away to kill again and again repeatedly.

Sadly overwelming differences are well and truly in favour of the latter due to the indifference of the all who have the authority to challenge these alarming statistics and indeed are part of the ingrained Thai culture that it is seemingly ok to use a gun indiscriminately for whatever reasons.....legal and otherwise ???

Is it a wonder then that the public and the young are convinced it is ok to not only own a gun, but to use it in situations referred to in the OP,s article, without any concerns or considerations for the consequences of their actions when the supposed role models of society are oblivious and unrepentant for theirs.

Is it not time for some common sense rethink on the horrendous statistics, accountability from the top down and implementation of deterents and penalities that are applicable and enforcable to everyone.

As for the police and other authorities who are allowed to carry a gun, they should implement guidelines and rules as to when a gun can be carried and all should prove they are of a required level of sanity and discipline and control in stressful situations before being allowed to posses one.

Gun crime is most certainly on the increase...big time and no wonder when even many of priviliged elite and governmental authorities with their actions send out a message that it is seemingly permissable to use them for whatever reasons to assert their power.

marshbags

She went off yesterday morning first to the Tessaban as it is closer and on the way.

They didn't want to know so she went on to the amphur.

This time they told her that she cannot register the land in our sons name until he is 20.

She must tell the Pu yai ban and if it is in the will it will be OK.

I suspect that it may be because nobody has come to them with this prolem before and they don't know what to do and simply don't want to do it. Very few people in the amphur actually speak any English and I think that they would go into the "I don't know enough English to explain" mode and dump it onto my wife who wouldn't be able to explain either because she can't speak English in the legalese sense.

I am ignoring the people who carp on about not speaking Thai perfectly because speaking a language is one thing but legal speaking is a different ball game.

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I think that I need to find the releavent clauses in the Thai law both in Thai and in English then print them out with the properreferences and then go back to the land department with her and politely ask them to do their job. As we don't have a chanote, nobody does up here, that may be the problem but without reading up on it and paying a lawyer it could be difficult.

I don't have an usufruct because I love and trust my wife 100% which is more than a lot of posters seem to do and I also trust my inlaws and family.

What I am mostly concerned about is our son getting the land and property as soon as we can transfer it, then with me as his legal father ans legal guardian nobody can touch it until he becomes of age.

It looks as though I will have to do some more research before going much further.

Thank you to all of you who have offered good ideas and suggestions and added to the topic which will be of use to a lot of us in a similar position.

To those of you who only had negative, useless, off topic or no suggestions please do not try to derail this or anybody elses sensible threads as it just proves to every body else what you are.

Apologies for doing the full quote for convenient reference purposes

My lawyer ( and the local land office ) said it can be done by the owner / wife gifting it to the sibling.

Without wanting to go into to much detail...

I have a similar problem and we can get around her being under 20 by it being registered in my wifes name and then she " gifts " it to my daughter after purchase.

There has to be a 10 day period between her purchasing it and then gifting it to my daughter but in your case you can maybe do it as soon as you like.

You will possibly have to pay the property tax again as I will have to when I wish to do it.

( In my case tax X 2 )

Get the wife to ask about gifting it to your son at the local land office as it may be down to the discretion of the OIC or maybe better still ask your lawyer to talk to them about the possibliity.

No tea money has been suggested by the way in our case.

marshbags

I,ve been here for 20 years and my ability to speak the language is at most very basic indeed ( not because I haven,t tried ), the tones are very difficult and like somone has aleady been mentioned to difficult for a lot of foreigner, especially older people like us.

You can learn to read and write Thai without bothering with tones.

Sorry, there really is no excuse.

It,s not an excuse, it,s a fact and unless you can pronounce words in the correct tone it becomes a problem, especially when you consider that there are several meanings which are completey different , plus you can unintentionally be producing an offensive one.

As for reading and writing, In my case at any rate, I do not have the inclination to learn them and do not have any incentive to do so either.

I have a very busy lifestyle doing everything and nothing, as and when I like, after all that is what retiring is all about.

Choice is a down to the individual and mine happen to keep me busy 24-7 and this includes a bit of banter and the more serious debate on Thai Visa.

Enjoy yours TP and thanks for your many observations and humourus comment on the forum, I usually get a smile on my face when reading some off them, well most of them anyway.

No offence taken on this one by the way

marshbags

Just to expand on what GT posts ( 27 )

A trusted executor is most important.

Someone you have known for a long time and who will be around hopefully for many years to oversee and carry out your wishes and keep an eye on his well being ect. for as long as it is needed.

Time and relationships are unpredictable, expecially here in Thailand so back up your wishes with a legal document and have a third party involved just in case something comes to the fore.

I personally have a trusted lawyer who has volunteered to do this for me and in actual fact we are in the process of having a legal document done and countersigned after certain ongoing legal matters are sorted out.

Good luck and thanks for starting this important thread Bild.

marshbags

P.S.

References to speaking Thai are verging on troll type comment especially as the poster keeps going on about it.

What,s his problem ?????

I,ve been here for 20 years and my ability to speak the language is at most very basic indeed ( not because I haven,t tried ), the tones are very difficult and like somone has aleady been mentioned to difficult for a lot of foreigner, especially older people like us.

It does / should not impede anyone, it certainly doesn,t in my experiences and I dare say yours among many others.

This will be a rare one off when he will have to follow his siblings example and will be taking the lead from her and getting someone else to do his talking.

An actual role reversal

That is unless he plans to be there in person to represent himself of course.

marshbags

You can only "slander" Thaksin by claiming that he is an honest and law-abiding citizen. This allegation would seriously dent his reputation.

Nice one Mike and oh sooooo true

marshbags

This is a very serious threat to supposed Thai democracy and the freedom of it,s citizens if this influx of Thaksins kin and his comrades in arms ect. continues and will put him on a level comparable to the situations in Phillipines and Indonesia when they were totally controlled by the families of their respective leaders and dedicated clique in government.

I would hope that the 3 major authorities can stay independent from a take over of the security forces or otherwise I can only see a situation developing that is very dangerous indeed and will end in violence of a scale as of yet unimaginable, even by Thai standards.

Tyranny with absolute power to Thaksin the autocratic ruler and with it the much desired possession of unlimited and unchallengable power it will give him.

This person is like an aggressive cancer of the worst kind and sadly it doesn,t bode well for those who would challenge his authority and most importantly Thailands citizens who are loyal to the country.

Not to the individual...Thaksin Shinwatara

Apart that is for the chosen few who are within his selected / chosen inner circle of self only first, kleptocracy.

I include the majority of his present " low key " supporters, red shirts, UDD and all other banners and descriptions they come under, to be outside the above.

marshbags

This was / is obviously another of Thaksins crafty moves to further secure control of the influencial positions within the PT party and elliminate inparty unrest.

Quote

" Prompong said Priewphan called him on Saturday, expressing his wish to join the Pheu Thai."

This will go way back to pre retirement days and beyond and how convenient the party now seek to fill a vacancy for a new spokesman, the timing couldn,t be better, should the exiled one want it to happen.

Quote

" Prompong said no one had instructed the party to accept Priewphan, a brotherinlaw of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, into the fold of Pheu Thai."

Thaksin says and P.Thai obeys....Already a forgone conclusion re his acceptance.

This will have been pencilled in some time ago, it was just a matter of timing and when to make it official.

Now then let,s see who else within the family is available to do my bidding and keep the morale of the underlings in check...Hmmmmmm

I read elsewhere that there are double digit members of his fellow class 10 graduates that are also applying for membership and will accompany Priewphan tomorrow.

AKA officially welcomed into the party of self serving benevolence and unethical practices.

marshbags

I,m not sure if the article in the Nation referring to Thais wishing to keep the death penalty is covered elsewhere for seperate debate but IMHO it would certainly be complimentary to this thread.

" Majority of Thais still back the death penalty. "

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Majority-of-Thais-still-back-death-penalty-30192270.html

Apologies if I am jumping the gun on this and it is covered elsewhere by webfact and the news team.

marshbags

I don't much care if they get rid of the death penalty or not. I wish they would do away with the habit of extrajudicial killings.

Well said Credo re the EJK's

Without wishing to go off topic I must breviate my thoughts on this while enlarging on your observation.

I can think at least 2500 ( alledged drug related ) reasons why plus.....

Then there were the horrific Tak Bai murders of 84 innocent muslims ect. ect.

Not forgetting many other instances, but the first one was a blatantly horrendous licence to kill, overseen by the CEO PM of the government at that time.

The instigators of these sort of blatant exterminations, if proven should justly receive the death penalty along with terrorists and others who take life unlawfully.

marshbags

I wonder what it takes to arrest a political criminal, but NO!!!! The coup makers just LET HIM ESCAPE!!!!!

and possibly a smart move on their part, he is out of the country cant come back...causes less problems, hence the reason they never requested interpol to arrest him either... to me it was a clever move

Plus the fact that if he had considered ) had any legal substance d his chances of overturning the verdict ( which was based purely on Thai law and evidencehe would have stayed on to do so.

Obviously his devious mouthpiece on manipulating matters of law in his favour knew this and advised him to go while he had the chance.

Also of course as mentioned earlier there was the matter of several other charges to follow and take into account, of which his chances of getting a not guilty verdict, based once again on Thai law and evidence were slim to zero.

marshbags

A polite correction of a gremlin effected first sentence along with my apologies for any confusion.

I,ve only just noticed while scrolling back on the comments most of which are making this a another very good debate,

It should have read :-

Plus the fact that if he had considered he had any legal substance and his chances of overturning the verdict ( which was based purely on Thai law and evidence ) he would have stayed on to do so.

Thank you

marshbags

I wonder what it takes to arrest a political criminal, but NO!!!! The coup makers just LET HIM ESCAPE!!!!!

and possibly a smart move on their part, he is out of the country cant come back...causes less problems, hence the reason they never requested interpol to arrest him either... to me it was a clever move

Plus the fact that if he had considered ) had any legal substance d his chances of overturning the verdict ( which was based purely on Thai law and evidencehe would have stayed on to do so.

Obviously his devious mouthpiece on manipulating matters of law in his favour knew this and advised him to go while he had the chance.

Also of course as mentioned earlier there was the matter of several other charges to follow and take into account, of which his chances of getting a not guilty verdict, based once again on Thai law and evidence were slim to zero.

marshbags

Just curious: What does MOT stand for in this case?

Hi wpcoe

The general meaning of MOT is " method of testing "

In this case it refers to a method of testing your basic health.

IMHO of course.

If someone has a better description I,d be pleased to learn of it.

marshbags

From the same site this OP is taken ...From the same site this OP is taken ...

NUMBER OF EXECUTIONS AND TYPE OF OFFENCE (Thailand 1935-2001)

Types of Offence........................................No.

1. Offence against the Royal Family............4

2. Offence against the State.......................28

3. Murder...................................................116

4. Robbery and Murder...............................86

5. Murder of Officer......................................7

6. Rape and Murder....................................28

7. Offence against Narcotic law.................12

Total ..........................................................280

Offense against the state. Treason? Who and when was this?

Not having a personal go at anyone but would just like to highlight the dates on this being 1935-2001 which IMHO make the statistics outdated and unrelated to recent times.

I did notice the dates on it,s first posting but let it go rather than make a comment due to other things I was highlighting.

If there are recent statistics available perhaps they would be a more informative indicator for the thread to take into account.

marshbags

I received the folowing in an email yesterday and think it may be beneficial to other members.

Courteousy of the Daily Mail

The health MOT test you can do in your living room: From bending backwards to eating sweetcorn

By Charlotte Dovey

PUBLISHED: 23:41 GMT, 8 October 2012 | UPDATED: 16:48 GMT, 10 October 2012

Taking some DIY tests at home can help you take responsibility for your health

A visit to the GP for a check-up is, for some, about as pleasant an experience as having a tooth pulled. Just walking through the door of the surgery is enough to bring some out in a sweat.

‘The potential embarrassment, the fact it’s time-consuming — you may need to take a morning off work — even the worry of there being a real problem, all of these factors can lead to people not visiting the doctor when they should,’ says Dr Helen Stokes-Lampard from the Royal College of General Practitioners.

This is particularly relevant to men; one study carried out by the Everyman Male Cancer Campaign suggested that nearly twice as many men as women had not visited their GP in the past year.

But there are a number of health tests that you can do yourself — free — in the comfort and privacy of your own home.

These range from DIY eye checks to checking your lungs, hormones and the efficiency of your gut.

‘While DIY tests should never replace going to the GP, they can help you take responsibility for your own health,’ says Dr Stokes-Lampard. ‘But do remember that there are some things you can’t test for at home — bone conditions such as osteoporosis, for instance.’

Also don’t forget that some conditions are asymptomatic — meaning there really are no symptoms until the condition is established, such as liver disease.

Below, experts explain the home health tests you can do for various parts of the body, and the conditions they may point to.

Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz28wvNVmIF

marshbags

To part quote you in a way you should IMHO have done in my case if you have meant to show it as such.........................................

" The rich and powerful make the laws and the rich and powerful don't need to smuggle drugs through airports and the rich and powerful can legally justify killing and/or hide behind their title/immunity for killings and the rich and powerful have access to the best lawyers and the rich in powerful are friends and connected with Judges (many who they help become judges) ... this is pretty much the way it works around the globe. "

Unquote

I personally find this insulting, demeaning and provocative to say the least.

marshbags

First to be clear, I only part quoted you because I was only responding to the relevant part of your post to which I was responding ... as I am doing now (and you fairly did to me above) to ask ..... Why do you find it insulting, demeaning and provocative? I think most people would find it to be simply a reality.

You are correctly using the full quote this time Nisa and not loosing / inadvertantly ?? editing part of it

If have to part quote / edit seperately then it should be made clear otherwise it can lead to misunderstandings and also take the original quote out of context.

I did add " part quote " in my offering to indicate this and also mentioned it as such.

To say that or suggest what your above part quote does " pretty much the way it happens around the globe " as I read it, indicates everywhere.

The U.K. does not come under this seemingly global umberella, along with other countires and as such a blanket for all as stated was for me at the least insulting ect. ect. when reading it.

Perhaps you didn,t mean everywhere and if you didn,t then no offence taken.

marshbags

P.S. I mentioned the U.K. scenario as an indication that the death penalty being debated in this thread could eventually be restored in certain other countries, the U.K. included for selective proven attrocities and murder.

( eg terrorist killings and mass murder, sexual murder, child murder ect. )

So perhaps it may happen eventually here in Thailand rather than be completely abolished, hopefully in a fair and equally just way for all proven offenders.

With modern technology and in particular DNA many offenders are justly investigated and eventually convicted of their crimes, obviously honesty / integrity needs to be applied, non minipulation of evidence is an obvious problem here and the use of individuals who are in no positiion to defend their innocence.

As for drugs instead of making examples of the small time offenders, they should give them jail time that also includes educational rehabilitation and save the executions for the merchants of death / drug barons who hide behind their positions of authority, power and it,s supposed respectability.

IMHO as always

As for here, sadly as with all other lawfully applied sentences this is yet again a selective issue when the station of the offender is totally bias in favour of privilidge as to who is given the ultimate penalty.

Should it ever occur, I cannot recall even one of the proven guilty elite and privilidged ever paying with their lives for committed and proven offences, many of which are so horrifically evil it goes beyond human comprehension.

The list continues to grow were instead of taking the walk to the executioner, they walk off into anonymity and oblivion.

If it is to be retained then at the very least it should apply to all irrespective of who they are and based purely on the proven and convicted crime for which, according to Thai law and the reasons for which the death penalty is applied.

The rich and powerful make the laws and the rich and powerful don't need to smuggle drugs through airports and the rich and powerful can legally justify killing and/or hide behind their title/immunity for killings and the rich and powerful have access to the best lawyers and the rich in powerful are friends and connected with Judges (many who they help become judges) ... this is pretty much the way it works around the globe. I think it probably best to push Thailand to get rid of the death penalty as has so many nations rather than pushing it to become the most advanced country in the world when it comes to their justice system and human rights ... lets at least see Thailand get some of the most basic problems solved to help them get closer to being like a first world nation (if that is what you want) before expecting them to surpass these countries in such a complicated matters.

It seems my actual quote appears to have possibly been ( maybe inadvertently ) edited and is IMHO relevant to some of the issues you raise.

As for certain things being applicable around the globe when it comes to class discrimination, implimentation and the law, who seemingly make them, and by your observation and comment for personal immunity is I find unfailrly generalising, to say the least.

All countries around the globe does not include the U.K. for example, and of which let me assure you, we do not base our laws purely on being considered a " first class nation "

A majority of 85% of U.K. citizens are in favour of bringing the death penalty back for certain offences were life has been unlawfully taken.

Based not on vendetta type reasoning but as an age old quotation implies and it,s deserved penalty when unlawfully taking life.

It has by the way been voted on in recent times and the % was even higher, only for the MP,s we have elected to represent our thoughts, especially on this important matter, have chosen not only to ignore them, but refuse to have a meaningful debate with selected representatives of reason for majority who wish to bring it back.

To part quote you in a way you should IMHO have done in my case if you have meant to show it as such.........................................

" The rich and powerful make the laws and the rich and powerful don't need to smuggle drugs through airports and the rich and powerful can legally justify killing and/or hide behind their title/immunity for killings and the rich and powerful have access to the best lawyers and the rich in powerful are friends and connected with Judges (many who they help become judges) ... this is pretty much the way it works around the globe. "

Unquote

I personally find this insulting, demeaning and provocative to say the least.

marshbags

Topic is "Thailand Urged to Abolish Death Penalty", lets keep the comments in that direction rather than waffling on about the US.

Just as the thread clearly states and deviating via what other countries do or don,t is irrelavant and pointless.

As for here, sadly as with all other lawfully applied sentences this is yet again a selective issue when the station of the offender is totally bias in favour of privilidge as to who is given the ultimate penalty.

Should it ever occur, I cannot recall even one of the proven guilty elite and privilidged ever paying with their lives for committed and proven offences, many of which are so horrifically evil it goes beyond human comprehension.

The list continues to grow were instead of taking the walk to the executioner, they walk off into anonymity and oblivion.

If it is to be retained then at the very least it should apply to all irrespective of who they are and based purely on the proven and convicted crime for which, according to Thai law and the reasons for which the death penalty is applied.

Without exception

May I humbly suggest the loved ones of the victims are consulted as to wether if or not it should or shouldn,t be given, not those uneffected and certainly not the PC and their disengenuos sensibilities.

marshbags

The topic is about a bootleg Botox treatment and you are quoting me about a discussion of the accused being sentenced to 10-years

"I agree the fee of B20,000 is a joke. He should be taken directly to jail to serve 10 yrs minimum."

and not about a completely unrelated issue of a Ferrari driver who happened to be mentioned by poster as also deserving of a harsh sentence (20-years, not 10).

"Same as the Red bull dipshit. B3,000,000 baht does not bring someone back to life. 20 years for dangerous driving under the influence of both alcholol and drugs."

There is absolutely no reason to go off topic here ... If you want to talk about the Ferrari driver, I suggest you go to that thread.

outsch! I confused that! My fault. I jumped between topics, I apologize!

Easily done.

I sometimes have to go back to a particular post to recheck if I,ve got my replies mixed up.

marshbags

How very sad this is, although the signs didn,t look good for a recovery there was stiil a flicker of hope.

We can only hope the authorities make some meaningful new laws and introduce new proven standards along with monitor and control practices prior to granting a licence and Insist on the showing of their licence in a prominent place, easy to see on all signage and advertising. stating they are approved and licenced.

Penalties and deterrants that discourage the quacks and other non qualified people from offering services of this nature, made attractive by financially reduced fees many are encouraged by and use.

May you be in a better place Athitiya Eiamyai / " Kratae " and may your loved ones find comfort from each other to ease the pain.

RIP young lady

Sickened is something of an understatement regarding how I felt when I saw the article while browsing the latest news from the Nation.

I also knew It would have been immediately posted in this thread and wanted to post a further contribution.

marshbags