Torkmada

why are these goons still calling themselves DPM's when they were removed from office by the court on Wed

Not sure.

Why is Suthep claiming he represents "the great masses of the people" when all he has is a few paid thugs and a handful of old grannies behind him?

T.I.T.

A somewhat aimless editorial. The conclusion of the author - that things are firmly in Pheu Thai's court - is too fanciful for words. They have just selected a prime minister from half a cabinet, with no legislative power, no parliament, and no public mandate. There is indeed a vacuum, because there is no constitutionally elected prime minister. The constitution allows for the election of a prime minister through two means - from a quorum-filled parliament - or from the Senate in the event of a quorum-less parliament. There is no provision for what Pheu Thai is doing. And where is the power ? There is none. No one in the " administration " can actually administer. They are frozen. There is diminishing expectation of a July 20 election. And there is diminishing expectation it will run any more smoothly than the last election. Pheu Thai can walk in front of cameras, pose for pictures, and talk about overseas conferences. But they can't actually govern.

You miss the point my rambling friend.

PTP selected the new PM not Suthep, the Senate or any other anti-democrat.

There is no vacuum, PTP are still running things and Suthep is still feeding the ducks in the park

Just the PDRC guards out on the streets doing their thing

The outcome of the next election will give a true indication of the level of division in this land.

One would expect turnout will be very high - 75% +

Should things transpire in a similar fashion to Thaksins 2005 triumph, surely it would be the death knell of the anti-democrats.

PTP pushing 60% (2005 = 56.4%) of the popular vote and the Democrats sinking below 20% (2005 = 16.1%) would be a pretty clear indication of the unity of the vast majority of Thais as to how they want their country run and who they want to run it.

In the face of such an overwhelming and resounding defeat the geriatric generals, plutocrats, PAD, PDRC, Yellows, Pitak Siam, Suthep, Democrats, Abhisit, appointed Senators, NACC, CC judges, Health Dept. officials, ex military Thai Airways executives, Singha Beer heiresses and that crazy assed Monk would be forced to give up entirely their futile and illegal attempts to snatch power forever more.

Pretty obvious why they all are so afraid of elections being held isn't it!

Another reason why decisive, ruthless action is required to put an end to the shin dynasty and its hangers on, wipe them from the history books..

There will be an election in July.

A Thaksin proxy led party will win.

The dynasty has decades to run yet.

Forget the police... Just the army please.

The police are less than useless only good for traffic duties and that is reflected by Thailand having some of the worst roads in the world... That is how useful the police are.

As for this.......

Thousands of army and police personnel will be deployed to oversee the mass rallies called by pro- and anti-government activists next week, a top police commander said.

Erm...... It's happening tomorrow and Saturday..... not next week.

Sorry mate.

The army have been naughty boys so Uncle Sam has had to ban them from playing politics any more.

Please explain that Uncle Sam comment.

The Government of the United States of America

Quiz ! ..... What color shirt would a man be wearing who would seek to destroy an entire country to further his own insane greed ?

Suthep is in pink today.

It was Yellow the day before.

Black for three days after his thugs blew up the kids a few months ago

Purple on the Princesses birthday

Red one day in March (just to antagonise the UDD)

Multi-coloured Hawaiin Hibisus Tee during Songkran

So, every time any rich and popular person dislikes a ruling they can engineer 20000 signatures to get the judges kicked out.

Well being as they will be going to the red shirts to get them I wonder if they can just put an X there or some kind of mark.

Does any one know which way the Senate is leaning now with the new members. Or is there a lot of them who are neutral and will work to get the best for Thailand.

40 for PTP

16 for Dems

21 for Independents

For an impeachment they need 90 of the 150 senators votes.

Of the 73 appointed senators 60 are solid behind the coup clowns.

60 + 21 Dems = 81.

Which means they are 9 short.

Arms will need to be twisted - even then it seems unlikely they'll get the numbers they need.

BTW - The true crime here is that 60 of the 73 appointed senators support a political cause that hasn't won an election in decades and gained just 35% of the vote and 159 out of 500 seats in the last full election (2011).

By the numbers 35% of 73 = 25-26 seats or 159/500 = 23-24 seats.

So the corrupt coup clown constitution of 2007 has rewarded the anti-democrats with and extra 35-36 senate seats than the people would have voted them.

No wonder the courts focus on cooking shows and public servant transfers.

Are there legal consequences for "illegal" behavior in this case?

No.

The objective wasn't to punish a crime - because their was none.

The objective was to remove a Prime Minister, regardless of the laws of the land.

That's what the bought, crooked and corrupt judges have done

There will be no punitive consequences for Yingluck, only for the majority of Thais who elected her.

I don't think thPT could only get a governing majority with the help of other parties.

And then, in such a case it is misleading to call this "the majority of Thais"; it was - if anything -a majority of voting Thais. That's not the same thing. In February this year, this was some 10 million Thais, the other 30 millions of Thais (who can vote) did not vote for her.

And then Yingluck forgot that she should have been the PM of all Thais and all Thailand, not just her voters and her brother. That was it what ultimately broke her neck.

PT could only get a governing majority with the help of other parties.

Wrong!

PTP did received less than 50% of the popular vote but they did get more than 50% of the seats in the lower house.

The number of seats in the lower house determines who forms government

The PTP won enough seats to form government in their own right but opted to form a coalition with other minor parties.

Vote buying happens in the south too it's not just on red areas and has also been going on a lot longer than Thaksins have been in power.

Sorry Fat Haggis I have to pull you up on this one mate.

How do you know about this? Are you privvy to the information on vote buying in the South or are you taking someone else's words as face value?

Have you got the facts at hand to back up your claims or are you just talking speculation and guessing??

I want evidence from the EC this has happened, statements from the police and DSI investigation reports. I want the trends before and after Thaksin was in power (Well not after, he is still in power) All original documents please lest you fabricate the evidence.

It's fine if you're not able to provide this evidence, it's as I suspect it's just another opinion here on TVF that is one of many that mean diddly squat

This is a reasonable request of evidence since you have asked the same of me here.

Grow up you are acting like a child.

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Ok that's interesting. So the uneven burden of proof only applies to supporters of 15 principles of democracy. When Haggis requests an overwhelming burden of proof it is acceptable and my fact is dismissed until I show the proof. When I ask for exactly the same proof from a 1 principle supporter and in fact used exactly the same wording as Haggis I am a child told to grow up and his facts are proof without having to show any proof of it.

That my friend is PTP logic right there.

Notice I was not condescending towards you or belittling you because I could articulate a valid rebuttal.

Time to listen to the will of the majority even if you don't like it accept it.

So you support immediate elections do you?

If not, how else are we to hear the will of the majority?

Can you impeach an ex-PM?

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Wouldn't that be like drinking the same bottle of beer twice?

In the states, Nixon resigned over Watergate & he was still impeached later. I mean, ya wouldn't leave the guy in the job for a year whaile he delayed his impeachement hearings askin for more time & more wiitnesses. Oh, that has a familiar ring to it.

President Nixon was never impeached. Nixon resigned on August 9, 1974 before what would have been almost certain impeachment.

Here's where it all comes crashing down, thanks to the recent senate elections.

The coup clowns don't have the required 3/5 of the senate vote.

There will be no impeachment.

What is this Coup rubbish? You're beginning to sound like FB & he's goneburgers somewhere too. Probably Dubai. She did wrong for selfishe reasons a number of times wiith instructions from brother. She knew thay were wrong. She thought she would get away with it (Still does, silly woman) because "we Shins are allowed to break the rules.) She got caught. She got punished. Seriously knowing what she did & how she behaved would you have acted in her shoes the same way? I seriously doubt it, because you would also have known the law and the consequences. Do the crime. Do the time. Sorry, what coup? SHe has been an abysmal PM, Not atteding committeee meetings that she is chair of, NOT EVEN ONCE!!! Moving people round so she could give her brother's Brother-in-law a cushy job. Come On. The ruling is in. It was against the law and she is being served the consequences.BTW it doesn't "ALL COME CRASHING DOWN" The senate have no authorty over yesterdays's ruling. Today's haymaker is just icing for the cake.

The CC only did half their corrupt and crooked job and so have left the caretaker government alive and well with a new Acting Caretaker PM.

There is no political vacuum for Suthep and his thugs to fill.

The appointed coup clown senators don't have the numbers to force through an impeachment so the nation is stuck in limbo with the only way out being an election which the PTP will soundly win and so it all goes back to square one.

Every which way the coup clowns turn Thaksins' extreme popularity has got them trumped.

They're boxed in and finished.

The definition of insanity is to repeatedly do the same thing over and over expecting a different result each time.

Its over.

The coup clowns lost.

The country was controlled for decades by an unelected military - elite network.

The devastating effects of the financial crisis of the late 1990's loosed their stranglehold over the nation and its people just long enough for the 1997 constitution to slip through.

It is this constitution that ended their dictatorship and gave birth to Thaksin.

Thaksin is not pure, but in his defence - nobody can swim in the filthy swamp of Thai politics and remain clean.

He was cleaner than all who preceded him and he will be cleaner than any unelected clowns that may follow him.

The turmoil ends when those that once oppressed the nation and its poor accept that those days are over and democracy is here to stay.

Thai corruption will come under control when those same people put their energies and focus into being a good opposition and holding the government accountable in parliament instead of trying to find illegal shortcuts to power and the nations expense.

With what his sister is going through maybe the question should be...does he care about anyone?

The answer is an emphatic YES!

He cares a great deal about the poor.

The forgotten majority of Thais.

And that is why the man is revered by many, many millions of Thais as all but a living god.

Thaksin and his familys' sacrifices of blood sweat and tears - shed for the betterment of the nation have already ensured that they are etched into the DNA of this nation and its people and will remain so for millennia to come.

A square faced modern day Thai Jesus Christ

"He cares a great deal about the poor.

The forgotten majority of Thais.

And that is why the man is revered by many, many millions of Thais as all but a living god."

You'll pardon me if I thought you were referring to a completely different person?

"A square faced modern day Thai Jesus Christ "

OMG !! I think you just offended millions of Christians with this little gem.

Why not go all the way and say "He's The Lord Buddha incarnate"?

Give it a little more time and Siddhartha he may yet be.

This dirt will never see a day in jail. Sad but true.

Jail for what?

Thumping the Democrats in an election?

Yingluck is far and away the cleanest, least corrupt PM this nation has ever seen.

Corruption under the tutelage of her brother.

PS are you suggesting she is cleaner than Thaksin?

Not only is she cleaner than Thaksin, it follows that she is also cleaner than all those who Thaksin is cleaner than which is every single PM in the the conga line of unelected corrupt military backed individuals that preceded him and then throw in Abhisit and the other 2006 coup fool Surayad(?).

Okay so your opinion counts

and that of others and Thais do not

Under TVF rules you are allowed your opinion

votes or strokes?

of course Thais opinion counts - in an ELECTION which the Dems will lose AGAIN until they understand that supporting the old feudal system of elite power will not win them votes just strokes from their puppet masters

The PTP won the last election and there was no need for another one unless one considers the unconstitutional activities of Thaksin for which there cannot be any electoral legitimacy. And there's the rub. Remove Thaksin from the equation and normality returns. Now maybe you can tell us its not about Thaksin.

Remove Thaksin from the equation and normality returns.

????

What ill informed garbage!

Thaksin has been physically removed from Thai politics since 2006 yet his followers remain the majority.

You may be able to get rid of the man but the ideas, the future and the type of Thai society that he represents are here to stay.

The PTP have won the last 6 elections and will win the next 6 even if Thaksin no longer walks this earth.

The sooner all the antiquated fascists Yellows accept this reality the better of all of Thailand will be.

I have some free time if they need an interim PM. Does it pay well?

About US3,000 per month

Forget the police... Just the army please.

The police are less than useless only good for traffic duties and that is reflected by Thailand having some of the worst roads in the world... That is how useful the police are.

As for this.......

Thousands of army and police personnel will be deployed to oversee the mass rallies called by pro- and anti-government activists next week, a top police commander said.

Erm...... It's happening tomorrow and Saturday..... not next week.

Sorry mate.

The army have been naughty boys so Uncle Sam has had to ban them from playing politics any more.

This dirt will never see a day in jail. Sad but true.

Jail for what?

Thumping the Democrats in an election?

Yingluck is far and away the cleanest, least corrupt PM this nation has ever seen.

Here's where it all comes crashing down, thanks to the recent senate elections.

The coup clowns don't have the required 3/5 of the senate vote.

There will be no impeachment.

Pathetic!

The world is laughing at the elites and the low, low levels they have had to stoop to because their extreme unpopularity prohibits them from legitimately coming to power via elections.

So in the illustrious opinion of Torkmada, it is perfectly in order for a Prime Minister to carry out the business of Government by the abuse of power? I would strongly recommend that you read up on the case before coming out with such nonesense - you will give TV a bad name with unqualified drivel like this and no I am not a yellow, multi coloured or any other shirt. I do however believe that Ministers, in what ever Country should conduct their business in an honest manner and remember that they are in office to serve the people, not themselves.

You have much to learn, grasshopper.

….but the idea that majoritarianism lies at the heart of the mess in Thailand is silly. Majoritarianism typically involves an elected government that captures the courts, silences media critics and tinkers with the constitution to perpetuate its rule. In Thailand the opposite is true: the courts, the media, the bureaucracy, and the universities are extensions of the old Thai establishment, with the xxxxxxxx at its centre. The xxxxx advisers on the xxxx xxxxxxx are powerful. They oversee military appointments and then use their appointees to bless coups. After the coup in 2006 a military government abolished the constitution, which the advisers felt had made Mr Thaksin’s power unassailable. In its place they put a charter that gives the courts tremendous powers, making it possible for them to remove the head of an elected government on the slightest of technicalities.

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