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Torkmada
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The Shinawatra mantra":
"I deny the allegation"
What she should do is when uncomfortable facts are presented to her is mirror the 1 principle supporter TVF members and simply say they are not facts. Or when presented with evidence denounce it and then ask for an overwhelming burden of proof right down to names and histories of the people, family statements (heay Haggis)…ohh and my favorite when one link shows the proof denounce that, call it fake and demand a link to 2 other sources. (heay Fab4)
Facts - The PTP's greatest enemy.
When the facts are presented, denounce them, deny them or call them fake facts.
Well that's rich coming from a poster who on supplying one link proving the "truth" or so he said, it led to a blank google page and then not supplying a link claiming this mythical "2 other sources demand" but really because not just one but all sources did not back up his claim.
Come up with the facts djjamie and you won't be called out. Facts such as your "fact" regarding the beating up and shooting of the Army Colonel do not stand up to any scrutiny whether you call them facts or not. Don't embarrass yourself any further,
denounce some facts and finish with condescension is your signature move...
At least I know your reply was not by a "pretend" Fab4...
It was by the real supporter of no principles of democracy (apart from elections) the infamous Fab4.
Can you name the principles of democracy by the way or do you blindly follow the PTP narrative and have a "belief" that they are right?
Come on...
<EDIT> Name one other principle and I will show you how the PTP abused it.
Name one scheme the PTP implemented and I will show you how they failed...
I dare you Fab4……I dare you.
List your 15 principles.
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Lets see what you got that makes a coup acceptable
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Assuming the masses are educated to make a decision on who is best to vote for rather than being brain washed by red education and bullied by the village headman? Obviously you have not sat in the villages with the folks watching their red shirt satalite TV every night? Its not exactly balanced unbiased reporting they receive?
Because the masses don't vote the way you want them to they're uneducated?
Losers looking for an excuse is all this line of thinking is.
Educated or not, we all know how to look after our self interests.
The masses vote for the party that does the most to improve their lot in life.
In Thailand that party is PTP and until the Democrats modernise it will continue to be PTP.
(Bluesky and The nation aren't exactly reputable sources either)
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All the reds are so full of crap today, they are frantic now that it has come to judgement day. Let's hope the judges put the good of the country first and remove ALL the PTP clowns ! This time tomorrow those of us with some common sense who are not idiotic brainwashed red sheeple will hopefully be raising our glasses and hoping for a Shin free future. The champagne is on ice waiting for noon
Far from being frantic, they are fully prepared for the inevitable corrupt ruling about to be made.
They have not sat idly by since the slaughter of 2010.
They are organised and ready to defend democracy.
Only the greatest of fools could believe this saga ends tomorrow.
The corrupt verdict signals nothing more than half time.
The Red Army is about to enter the arena and the rout is about to commence.
Shock and Awe is coming to BKK!
That glass of wine you are about to consume will not be done in a celebratory fashion toasting a successful coup but in your own morbid sorrow at the end of apartheid and fascism in Thailand.
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They aren't protesting today, they are praying. Let's hope their prayers are answered.
I hope there not answered.
They'll all be praying that the protests never ends.
This is the best paid job any of them have ever had.
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I hope that Yinluck is not removed. I doubt if the people of Thailand will stand by and watch another elected government fall to the Bangkok elite.
What a shame to see another criminal fall.
Of course if she is found guilty with the evidence being beyond a reasonable doubt is beside the point.
Evidence is beside the point. Agenda is paramount to the result right...
Facts…Forget them
Beliefs - Like a cult, never forget them
Your post is incomprehensible.
If you meant to say the courts are crooked and Yingluck is innocent - then you are correct
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Country needs a coup. I think that is the only realistic option. Problem is alot of the armed forces have been bought by Taksin.
The country needs an election.
How else can we truly learn what the people want?
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I was waiting for the Khaosod intimidation and threat of a 'mass' red rally.
So what are they going to do about it when they get there?.... Pick their noses??
100,000 my ar-se... Be lucky if they can get 2000 and they will be sent packing if they so much as fart out of line. We all remember 2010 and it won't be repeated, well..... not without a lot of bloodshed anyway.
They want to die for Thaksin..... come ahead.
This has got to be the most ridiculous post I've read on TVF.
Only the most wilfully ignorant, misinformed or intellectually inadequate could believe as you've written.
Whatever the level of Red Support, it far exceeds 2,000 and as for what they are going to do when they get here - truly shutdown Bangkok.
That means all the big elite run business left open by the PDRC (Dusit Thani etc.) are in for an awful lot of economic pain.
They don't want to die for Thaksin.
They don't want to die at all.
They just won't live under unelected military backed dictatorships anymore.
So they will do what they must to defend democracy.
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I really hope that the red shirts succeed. This group is the best hope for Thailand because it is the main force standing up to the anti-democractic crooks, the PDRC and Abhisit. If Yingluck is removed by the ammart court and then Abhisit/Suthep manage to appoint a puppet prime minister in her place, I know that the international community will call foul. The red shirts, I hope, will organise a campaign of civil disobedience, because the removal of a democratically elected PM means that democracy has been stolen. The ammart in Thailand really must be defeated if Thailand is to develop into a modern society.
Reds shirt will likely fail because this time this terrorist movement lose a lot support. Don't forget that Farmers were the base of reds mob. But this government lie and cheat them.
PTP/UDD are two undemocratic movement because they not respect the law and institutions of their own country.
If they've truly lost support then hold an election - win it - and legally form government and enact the desired reforms.
Fact is the PTP haven't lost support as the recent Senate elections prove and this is why the ridiculously biased courts are proceeding with this farcical case against Yingluck.
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A lot of Redshirt talk only...to be followed by more talk and little action.
This is the line of thinking by those supporting the coup that I don't understand.
What on earth makes you people believe that the majority will idly stand by and let their Democratic rights be stripped?
How can anyone believe anything other than the fact that hordes upon hordes of Red Shirts will descend upon Bangkok and remain there until democracy is restored.
Do you people honestly believe that the Red Shirts will allow a situation where the slaughter of 2010 ends up being worthless?
Over 90 people gave their lives in the fight for democracy back then and their brothers and sister will now ensure that their sacrifice is not in vain, especially at the hands of some clown like Suthep.
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No one cares what Abhisit says anymore.
He is redundant (and unwanted by all sides).
Time he stopped wasting his time.
No……..one………cares - idiot.
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To the naysayers of the road map, what's the alternative? This government is going down for sure. And then the hired red thugs of Thaksin comes out and we're on the road to civil war. Rather then dismissing the plan outright, the fools in power should try to come to some sort of compromise.
Hold elections and respect the result.
Why should democracy compromise with tyrants?
It's all rather simple really.
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Well done Mark. One knows that elections cannot proceed fairly when Mark himself could not even attend an EC meeting without threats to his life. When the DEM's cannot safely lobby in the North, when leaders of the PTP, being accused terrorist, like Nattawutt do nothing to dissuade the violence against the people. Mark is a beacon of light in a dictatorial abyss that can see that elections are not the beginning, the middle and the end of democracy. It is but 1 small part of it. And like the voter fraud in parliament that they committed they know it can be manipulated. How can one "respect my vote" when the PTP manipulate the process themselves?
Elections can't proceed because Mark is a pussy?
It's a bit harsh to punish the entire electorate because of one man's cowardice.
If the Democrats can't campaign in the north it's their own fault.
You have to give respect to receive respect.
What on earth makes you think that Democrat politicians can sit in Bangkok and call the Northerners Red Buffalo who are dark skinned sub-humans too stupid to vote as well as conspire to keep all the wealth of the nation for themselves and their fellow Bankokians at the expense of the rest of the nation and then be given a heroes welcome when they venture north in search of votes.
The people of the north are not as stupid as the anti-democrats think - their voting history since 2001 proves that
As for the violence, it's rather obvious that attacking his own supporters was a failed Suthep strategy to create enough bloodshed to force the military to act. When it's all said and done, the most likely outcome is that the PDRC are the ones guilty of the overwhelming majority of the grenade attacks and the child deaths.
Mark is a loser (i.e. he has never won an election and never will)
Far from being a beacon, Mark is a lapdog of the dictators and he knows elections mean him and his kind never being in power so he does all he can to ensure Thailand is not a democracy and elections are never held. Elections are the very thing that give control of the county to the people - without elections the people are no more than slaves - this is the situation that mark wants and he should be condemned for it.
Thai elections are free and fair, one side just doesn't like the results, instead of reforming themselves they would rather trash the whole system, economy and country.
Luckily for all, their days of oppression are over.
The people have won and most would prefer Abhisit pack up and leave sooner rather than later - bum that he is.
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Finito!
This bunch of losers with the most hilariously misnamed political party in the history of the world are done.
Time for a new voice to rise up and the diaper wearing geriatric brigade to shuffle off into the pages of history where they belong.
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This really deserves a bravo. Yingluck's lawyers - not to mention Yingluck herself, Chalerm, Surapong, CAPO, and the UDD - have more than crossed the line into contempt of court - in some cases many times over. It's about time the law put its foot down, and it has. Bullies only succeed when they intimidate. When they don't - they fail.
Open defiance of such a corrupted institution is correct and noble.
The actions of the 2006 coup appointed judicial officials has rendered the courts null and void.
The US has stated such, both privately and publicly, which is why the judges have not been able to remove Yingluck from office.
All avenues for the yellows to usurp power are now firmly closed - justice and democracy has won the day.
Look at how pathetic it has all become.
Suthep and Abhisit in a public spat and the NACC reduced to filing frivolous charges against a no name lawyer.
Time to pack up the 5 or 6 remaining tents in Lumpini and go home.
Only embarrassment remains for the failed coup mongers.
In the not too distant future a fully elected senate will see the end of all these anti-democratic military/elite appointed officials and true independence will be returned to the courts.
The court is corrupt and dear Yingluck is not corrupt
Yes, you've hit the nail on the head.
Glad to see your learning things and leaving your ignorance behind.
Well Done!
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This really deserves a bravo. Yingluck's lawyers - not to mention Yingluck herself, Chalerm, Surapong, CAPO, and the UDD - have more than crossed the line into contempt of court - in some cases many times over. It's about time the law put its foot down, and it has. Bullies only succeed when they intimidate. When they don't - they fail.
Open defiance of such a corrupted institution is correct and noble.
The actions of the 2006 coup appointed judicial officials has rendered the courts null and void.
The US has stated such, both privately and publicly, which is why the judges have not been able to remove Yingluck from office.
All avenues for the yellows to usurp power are now firmly closed - justice and democracy has won the day.
Look at how pathetic it has all become.
Suthep and Abhisit in a public spat and the NACC reduced to filing frivolous charges against a no name lawyer.
Time to pack up the 5 or 6 remaining tents in Lumpini and go home.
Only embarrassment remains for the failed coup mongers.
In the not too distant future a fully elected senate will see the end of all these anti-democratic military/elite appointed officials and true independence will be returned to the courts.
In the not too distant future a fully elected senate will see the end of all these anti-democratic military/elite appointed officials
...and then you Red Shirt sycophants will have the Democratic Republic of Thailand that you have been fighting for...!! And I will have moved elsewhere...!!
Looks like a win, win situation then.
Very good
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This really deserves a bravo. Yingluck's lawyers - not to mention Yingluck herself, Chalerm, Surapong, CAPO, and the UDD - have more than crossed the line into contempt of court - in some cases many times over. It's about time the law put its foot down, and it has. Bullies only succeed when they intimidate. When they don't - they fail.
Open defiance of such a corrupted institution is correct and noble.
The actions of the 2006 coup appointed judicial officials has rendered the courts null and void.
The US has stated such, both privately and publicly, which is why the judges have not been able to remove Yingluck from office.
All avenues for the yellows to usurp power are now firmly closed - justice and democracy has won the day.
Look at how pathetic it has all become.
Suthep and Abhisit in a public spat and the NACC reduced to filing frivolous charges against a no name lawyer.
Time to pack up the 5 or 6 remaining tents in Lumpini and go home.
Only embarrassment remains for the failed coup mongers.
In the not too distant future a fully elected senate will see the end of all these anti-democratic military/elite appointed officials and true independence will be returned to the courts.
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No big deal, it's not as if he would of won.
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Suthep is like Hitler in his the bunker.
The only guy not aware it's all over.
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No they don't, they have enhanced corruption skills
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Sutherp, I wish you, every success to your quest.
We are all behind you, voters or non voters.
All TVF, members are with you, even if they pretend they support the red shirts, Thaksin or Yingluck.
Because everybody wants this country, that we all love, to go forward and get rid of the vermin, holding us back.
GOOD LUCK to you and your supporters.
Suthep, you have already failed.
Almost nobody is behind you (this is why you have failed).
Only a bigoted, self loathing depressed and old racist few TVF members remain wilfully ignorant enough to still blindly support you.
Everybody wants this nation to join the ranks of the worlds free and democratic nations and to be free of the military and plutocratic oppressors that have caused so much unnecessary suffering over the decades.
GOOD BYE to you and your paid southern thugs.
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The re-emergence of Abhisit is an acknowledgement by the coup mongers of the failure of Suthep.
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And that ladies and gentlemen is step one completed in the end game strategy being played out, and the PTP are too stupid to even notice it.
Threaten to boycott and disrupt under the current situation, then play ' good cop bad cop ' where Abhisit recommends a compromise and promises to do his best to negotiate between the PDRC and the EC/Opposition.... Gets the military to start the show by coming out and saying that Abhisit has a very good compromise on the table and that their talks were very agreeable and successful.... That is the primer.http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/721938-abhisit-floats-minor-reforms/page-2#entry7747279
Now just complete the next few steps and it will be a good job done, and one that should not lead to a civil war.
That is the difference between the two camps.... one side has intelligence the other side relies on brute force and intimidation.
The difference between the two camps is that one has the backing of the majority and the other does not.
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what is this nonsense about 10 hardcore ?
Opposition to any government is healthy, don't you agree ??
Posters on TVF criticize any wrong doings by the elected government and these are discussed at length at times.
Whatever has gone on after the illegalities came out of government, is another matter whether it be Suthep OR army OR Dems. To my mind of thinking.
The rights and wrongs of these-election farces - demonstrations etc., are because of the prior problem with government management.
The hardcore I talk about are the ones that came on the scene to defend a dysfunctional government at all costs blaming anyone that they can.
My main observation is near all of you people near NEVER post on any other topics. This is not normal on TVF, it has crept in to my mind to cause problems than being honest about the elected government.
Had you posters I mentioned mixed with the other 99% it would look a bit different. your choice but looks a bit odd to me. NOT your love of a party, that is your choice, but the style of most of the attack--same stance. Denial all the way.
Suppose this will be attacked with my YELLOW views, that would be crazy as I will go for anyone flouting the law, yes including the persons you hate.
REASONABLE and LEGAL opposition to any government is healthy.
The crap currently going on in Thailand is neither of the above
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Has Suthep gone political mad ?
Or is this a good cop bad cop situations, where the two are working together behind the scenes.
Lets take a closer look
Abhisit now looks like the good guy in all of this, Yingluck is the idiot hanging onto power by her teeth and will not let go
She can not defeat Suthep, so agree with Abhisit as she thinks he can not defeat Suthep
all the time this is part of the plan
Abhisit talk to Suthep when all of thailand are looking for a saviour
Suthep agrees with Abhisit
Abhisit become a Statesman and the true hero for Thailand
and at the election will walk into power with a massive majority
Maybe this is all a dream, or a well planed operation
It has been done before in many situation and worked
So is this the trap that will get rid of the Sinawats for good
just an opinion, at the end of the 10 days we will have the answer
Its got to be better the the other plan
Suthep has gone mad with power and will lead Thailand in to Civil war against the Red shirt Leader who wants the same thing
You're clutching at straws.
It's over man.
Give it up and accept the lunatics have failed
Any more posts like this and you'll end up in a padded cell
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Thai PM Yingluck denies abuse of power in key legal challenge
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Unless of course the civil servant is actively working against the elected government of the day - then you sack his arse.
Should a football manager be stuck with the same roster of players he inherits from the previous manager?