sambum

11 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

The team's targeting on a quite personal level of the b2's defence and high profile supporters is particularly nauseating and repugnant. It's clearly the main team strategy. And it flags up the quality of people in the team.

Seems to be a "team" of only 3, (possibly 4, having been replenished by the return to the fold of an absentee member!) but to give them their due, quite effective in stirring things up on these pages, even if it is by dubious means!

6 hours ago, greenchair said:

Perhaps they should have done it 2 appeals ago. 

You do realise all their appeals have been exhausted. 

If they are executed, it's because they had absolutely horendous legal advice. 

How different their sorry lives would have been, had they never crossed paths with A hall and his fantasies. 

 

So now it's all "A hall"'s fault? You never cease to amaze me with your baiting comments!

"You do realise all their appeals have been exhausted."

"Otherwise there will be an appeal of that verdict" (From one of your earlier posts)

Please explain yourself!

4 hours ago, DLang said:

 

Nonsense.

 

There have been cases like this in the press and media for decades, you don't remember the young British women raped and murdered on beaches here?

 

Stories like this will have zero negative effect on tourist numbers from any country.

 

Just because you wish it to be, just make it anyway true.

 

Sorry.

I do know that while the TAT give us a rosy picture every month with their facts and figures about the numbers of visiting tourists (that amazingly NEVER go down!), the fact is that I have never seen the streets and bars so deserted, and every bar owner and restaurant owner that I know says the same thing. Of course it may be that all the tourists are travelling to the likes of Esan or the Northern provinces to discover the real Thailand! 

5 minutes ago, Wan123 said:

Having been around Koh Tao over the years, and having followed the story, it is very strange that if the government wanted a fair display of justice, they 

restricted an international investigation. They had nothing to lose except perhaps, a corruption of justice. Their was in fact, no evidence against these 

young men, because the DNA tests were inconclusive, and the expert from Thailand on DNA if I remember correctly, pointed this out. Maybe it was the NY Times, I am not sure. But I am sure that these two midgets would not have attacked such large people. It was a vicious crime and more likely to be committed by someone whose nervous system was corrupted by cocaine or alcohol, neither of which, these two could afford to buy on their wages to the extent that they would have a nervous condition. No my friends, the government has refused, like many governments, to act fairly with these people. I too, am clear that they will die for someone else's crime, and it is becoming clearly evident that there is a narcotics ring on Koh Tao. 

The word "if" in your first sentence says it all!

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

but still part of the international cover up

Remember the big cheer when Prayut said that he had invited the UK cops to help in the investigation?(From memory, it was at some International convention in Europe)

When he returned to Thailand, it was made quite clear that they were there only to observe, and were not allowed to take part in any way.

Hence, IMHO they were only shown what the BIB wanted them to see, which you can bet "your bottom dollar" did not include any evidence that might exonerate the B2!

23 hours ago, sambum said:

No it's not! If you are indeed referring to # Post 132

                         

Post # 132 :-  Human rights at its best on the dark side...

 

Grammatically correct! ("It's" is an abbreviation of "it is" whereas "its" means belonging to "it") 

 

To be fair, JL was actually referring to another post.

36 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

At least most UK cops are actually cops.

And get the job on merit - they don't buy their way in!

9 minutes ago, JohnThailandJohn said:

 

Clearly you will not believe any evidence including a guilty verdict and much prefer to believe gossip and conspiracy. So, there is NO "evidence" you will believe not the Thai police, UK Investigators, the labs doing the DNA,  the prosecutors, family members who have seen  evidence or the three judges who ruled on the case.

Yawn - still spouting the same old drivel! Thought you'd retired!

6 hours ago, Metapod said:

I saw a guy get hit over the head with a bottle there completely unprovoked in 2008. A lot of trouble kicking about Samui.

I have been living on Koh Samui for over 10 years, and visiting for nearly 20. I frequently go out drinking at the bars, or restaurants, and in all that time I have never seen a fight! I am not denying that trouble happens, and maybe I am just fortunate (fingers X!), but I feel safer going out drinking here than in my old home town in the UK, where I could see a fight EVERY Saturday night in the town centre!

2 hours ago, kaorop said:

where did he say anything about not being concerned with pedestrians?

if im in a similar situation i give way, travel very slowly and am extremely vigilant for children, elderly etc.

of course not all ride like that, but the fact is its "not back home" its here and free for all out there and you take your chances traveling anywhere anytime by any means.

The point is that like riding a motor bike without a helmet, and regardless of whether you are "extremely vigilant for children, elderly etc.",  it is quite rightly against the law, and you have no right to complain if you get fined for doing it - in fact 500 baht is a slap on the wrist for what is actually a very dangerous practice.

28 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

128

Fairy Nuff!

14 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

and it's IT'S

No it's not! If you are indeed referring to # Post 132

Post # 132 :-  Human rights at its best on the dark side...

Grammatically correct! ("It's" is an abbreviation of "it is" whereas "its" means belonging to "it") 

7 minutes ago, jenifer d said:

fair enough, you were conveying the impression that the B2 were NOT innocent

actually, the FIRST police investiugator named names and facts and was immediately transferred from the case

Post:- "we all know who done it."

My Answer:- "Pointless and untrue comment."

At no time did I give the impression that I thought the B2 were guilty. I was being critical of the fact that you and others "know" who committed the crime. You can't "know" unless you witnessed it - you can believe 100% that you know, but that's not the same, is it? It's a bit like saying that you know when you die that you're going to Heaven! Haven't seen a postcard from there ever!

Your point re the "FIRST"  police investigator has also been well documented and commented on before, so although another dubious action in itself, is old news, and as I predicted in my earlier post "a certain poster" (that is a member of a Detective School) has now started asking you to bring out your evidence re the one that you "and everybody on Koh Tao knows who did it." 

It's beginning to get like watching repeats of the 1966 World Cup Final comment "They think it's all over .............." , or "If you don't like it here, go home." 

So please -  stop the "We all know who done/did it" comments, they're wearing a bit thin, and if you and your protagonist in chief don't pack it in, this thread is in danger of being closed by the Mods - which would be a shame.

8 minutes ago, jenifer d said:

actusally it is COMPLETE truth, EVERYBODY on Koh Tao KNOWS who did it; i have friends on Koh Tao, I KNOW who did it, and i can ASSURE you that these 2 Burmese guys were NOT the perps

Firstly, you may have heard the expression "Don't try to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs!"? 

Secondly, you do not need to use capital letters all the time to emphasise your points - it is against Forum Rules anyway.

Thirdly, I have read quite a few of your previous posts, and to be honest, I am very well aware that you have friends on Koh Tao - in fact almost every one of your posts advertises that fact!!!  I am also aware that you are proud to have "gone native" So you see, I take notice of other people's standpoints. If you had bothered to read any of my previous posts on this very subject, you would know that I also believe the B2 to be innocent, but at the risk of repeating myself (again) I don't think that to blithely make these "everybody knows who did it" type comments is of any help whatsoever to those 2 young men. You only add fuel to those posters arguments who are as equally convinced of their guilt, because the first thing they will say is that if "everyone on Koh Tao KNOWS who did it" (Your caps - not mine!) how is it that "not one person has come forward, none, zilch, nada" ......... etc. and that ground has been trodden many, many times, just like  the Crime Scene before a proper "investigation" could take place!

36 minutes ago, Roger Harris said:

A total cover up, Arrest the police for a poor investigation. we all know who done it. again brown paper envelopes

"we all know who done it."

Pointless and untrue comment.

17 minutes ago, wakeupplease said:

One family for sure has not spoken out in the defence of the local bib that is for sure with even one of the family being threatened by some of the scum involved get your facts right sunshine.

"get your facts right sunshine."

Excuse me, but you should address that comment to the writer of the article! :-

BANGKOK (Reuters) - Two men from Myanmar convicted of killing two British backpackers on a Thai holiday island in 2014 submitted their final appeal on Monday against the death sentence.

Some migrant rights groups accused Thai police of bungling the investigation and failing to properly seal off the crime scene. Police have defended the probe and the families of both victims have spoken out in defence of the police investigation.

I was questioning the fact myself that I thought only one victim's family had spoken out in defence of the BIB "investigation" !

2 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

I dont see why so many posters should be so sure of their innocence.  The reporting of this incident in the media, and the accuracy of postings on Thai Visa have been so bad that no conclusion can be reached by us as interested spectators.  It is somewhat mortifying to think that people on this board could be championing a pair of rapists and murderers because of their blind prejudice against Thai police. Equally, it is awful to think that 2 innocent men could go their deaths based on dodgy evidence. 

 

But one can not be blindly sentimental either way.  People should think before posting.

 

 

I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence. The post directly preceding yours is a prime example of what you are suggesting, and to blithely spout that "everyone knows who did it" shows a total conviction (no pun intended!) that regardless of any evidence, he/she knows  that the B2 didn't commit the crime, and that he/she and the whole world (Uncle Tom Cobley and all) knows the perpetrator of the crime, all of which is pure nonsense.

 There are also those who also spout the guilt of the B2 while totally ignoring any discrepancies in the investigation (one of which apparently enrolled in some Detective School! )  who are also totally blinkered.

Therefore, IMHO I find that it is impossible to reason with, or indeed converse radically with such people, so I put them on my personal "troll" list, and just ignore their ramblings!

" the families of both victims have spoken out in defence of the police investigation."

I thought that only one of the families had been satisfied with the "investigation"?

1 minute ago, stephen tracy said:

Everyone - including the police and the entire judiciary knows who did it.

Sorry, I don't think they are guilty, but I don't think that the above statement helps in any way. To say that "everyone knows who did it" is misleading and unfortunately, not true.

33 minutes ago, dblaisde said:

Always nice to meet people without a sense of humor.

Oh, is that what it was? Sorry - Ha! Ha! Ha! Hilarious!!!   

On 8/19/2017 at 5:28 PM, Thaiwrath said:

250 baht for being a snide !

Don't spend it all at once ! 

250 baht (a time!) for being a snide! 2 reports a day and there's  more than a day's wages if you are on the minimum wage!

4 minutes ago, dblaisde said:

Heroism for simply getting wet from that moat.

The fact that they pulled 3 people from a sinking car didn't cross your mind, then?

1 hour ago, malcoml said:

Later that same afternoon can you believe those same tourists were caught up in a jet ski scam.

Nice down to earth post - well done!  

On 8/16/2017 at 11:52 AM, worgeordie said:

The problem today is a lot of parents just let kids do what they want,too busy

on Facebook,it's a fact that over the years kids have become more violent,

no one ever stabbed,shot anyone in our school,taking even a knife to school

never crossed anyones mind.things have changed ,why ?

 

regards worgeordie

Agree with you re the parents Geordie! Also the fact that the teachers' hands are tied to a certain extent since corporal punishment was abolished.

I attended Grammar School a few years ago and was caned twice in 5 years - once in class by my Form Teacher/Maths teacher for "messing about" in class, and once by the Headmaster for "poor results". I didn't complain, and my father didn't - I'd had 2 elder brothers at the same school, and he knew the rules! I also had the greatest respect for both teachers - not fear! In retrospect, I think that the second caning was as a result of the first! To explain, as the Head put it "You're getting this punishment not for poor results, but because I know that you are capable of far better". My grades had dropped dramatically from the First year, when I was in the top half dozen in my class, to the lower 20's in my Second year, probably due to "messing about" in class!

Anyway, to stay with your point, I think that the increase in the use of "hard" drugs is also partly to blame, and the "glamourisation" of violence in modern (so called) music (Gangsta Rap?) and TV and films encourages a lack of respect for any kind of authority - either teachers, parents or police. End of rant!

On 8/16/2017 at 1:23 PM, Thaiwrath said:

  

Eggsactly! Beat me to it, but glad you were the first with such an apt post!