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43 minutes ago, bheard said:

 

There's a lot of rubbish here about fighting fair or not etc. Thai culture is not the same as farang culture. You want to live here then accept that "fair" in farang is not "fair" in Thai. It's different!
And talking of "fair". What will those people talking "fair" be saying the about the US (pop 325m) in relation to a fight with N.Korea (pop 24m)? (Not that I support that idiot, he should be exterminated).

 

Please explain which idiot you are referring to!

21 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

The four assailants must have felt wonderfully brave after this attack.  Prayut should arrange for them have a year's boot camp with some of his nastiest senior sergeant majors.  They would teach them what bravery is.

No, they wouldn't they would just reinforce what I heard a while ago - "Farangs fight to win, Thais fight to kill"

On 8/9/2017 at 6:30 AM, jacko45k said:

What would that solve?

Perhaps a private apology to the boy involved but to humiliate her and make her position untenable would serve no purpose. We have seen so many examples of true physical violence by teachers yet this seems to be regarded as worse. Some guidelines are required for teachers to bring unruly, disobedient and 'cocky' kids into line that would likely not meet everyone's approval, but help the teaching staff to do their job, and when they do punish, by the guidelines, put the responsibility on their superiors.

 

We don't need to go back to Victorian times but this seems to have been blown out of proportion. I don't feel the children should rule the schools.

"Some guidelines are required for teachers to bring unruly, disobedient and 'cocky' kids into line" 

As I said in an earlier post, should this not be covered during their "basic training"?

13 hours ago, kotsak said:

I bet he also thinks that traffic conditions are awesome because he gets ferried around with escort which clears the way for him..

 

A bit like the British Queen thinking that everywhere she goes smells of paint!

26 minutes ago, whaleboneman said:

no she won't...

Should have put an "Oh" at the start of your post!

6 hours ago, giddyup said:

You are just making yourself look silly and ignorant now and exhibiting troll-like behaviour. You have absolutely no insight as to what will happen to her, you just keep repeating the mantra "she will be sacked".

"I don't know anything. there is a very good chance that woman will be sacked. in fact, she will be."

The first statement sums all his posts up, really!

17 minutes ago, DogNo1 said:

It seems that most are urging the most draconian punishment for the teacher.  In my opinion, she should be suspended for a while and counseled about the proper ways to enforce discipline in a Thai classroom, if that is possible.  Her action in no way suggests that she is not qualified to continue teaching so long as she learns the proper ways to control her students.  If I had $100 for every time I was physically punished or humiliated in school back in Pennsylvania, I'd be a rich man.  Those German-American old ladies were tough!

Should she not have been "counseled about the proper ways to enforce discipline in a Thai classroom" during her "'Training"?

And Pennsylvania then is not Pennsylvania now - or indeed the UK or Thailand!

22 minutes ago, Happy enough said:

 

I don't know anything. there is a very good chance that woman will be sacked. in fact, she will be. don't believe me? you'll see. she took the piss

I'm afraid if the powers that be dither as much as you do, they'll still be discussing her future when she retires!

1 minute ago, Happy enough said:

yup 55555

And that's what it will say on her "Termination of Contract"? Sacked for "taking the piss" - I don't think so!

In fact I don't think she'll be sacked - she'll be "relocated". She has already been moved to an "inactive post" while the powers that be decide what to do with her - sorry, where to transfer her! 

19 minutes ago, Happy enough said:

I can assure y

 

yeah. but she took the piss. she'll get sacked

She'll get the sack for "taking the piss"?  

16 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Oh, now it's gone from she's sacked to she will get sacked. And you know this how?

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"She admitted she had been excessive, and accepted that she should move out of the school for a while as a committee decides her fate.

She spoke of her sleeplessness and medical conditions."

Moved to an "inactive" post then? Do people in  positions of authority not get the sack here for proven excessive wrongdoing?

Oh, sorry, she doesn't feel well, and has "medical conditions". That's all right then - have a few weeks off (with pay of course), take some tablets, and get well soon!

21 hours ago, ThaidaGwaii said:

Heavy handed corporate punishment sometimes get you a slap on the wrist but shoes on the head gets you fired???

"Corporate?"

And from another article today:-

"Don Mueang and Suvarnabhumi Airports enter top ten for on-time service

BANGKOK, 7 August 2017 (NNT) – Don Mueang and Suvarnabhumi Airports have made to the top ten list of Asia Pacific airports providing on-time service. 

Airports of Thailand (AoT) has reported that website flightstats.com, a portal for real time aviation information that collects data from across the globe, has recognized both Don Mueang and Suvarnabhumi airports for their on-time service in June of this year."

Hmmm?

22 minutes ago, Tilacme said:

And at what point does someone get hit on the head with a bamboo stick in this story?

Probably when they don't wear the appropriate uniform - which is what we were discussing, and the reason why the 21 students were attacked by their "teacher"  

18 minutes ago, JAG said:

Perhaps I can step in (splash!), as I have a child at school here (P6) and am a teacher.

 

The basic uniform is shorts/skirt and a white shirt/blouse. The shirt is embroidered with the school name and the childs name. This is done in house at our school, although at the beginning of the year the local Bic C offers the service as well.

 

One day a week they have PE, so the uniform is tracksuit trousers, plimsolls and polo shirt. The schools generally do not have changing/shower facilities, so the children  wear the  PE kit all day. That said, the PE is not particularly strenuous! The tracksuit top is also worn as a windcheater in the cool season. One day a week is Scouts/Guides, when they wear the appropriate uniforms. Usually on a Friday, most schools wear a local traditional dress, in our case a "Lanna style" tunic over the normal skirt/shorts. So with the exception of the Friday outfit (in our case a ThB250 shirt) you could say (assuming all children would have PE Kit), it is little different from the UK requirement. As scouts and PE are part of the national curriculum they need to have that kit. It works out as one set of clothes for every day (5 day week). 

 

The uniforms are sold in the school shop, and are not that expensive. In addition there is a government grant of ThB360 a year, paid through the school. This just about covers the cost of two shirts and two skirts for my daughter. All up, to kit her out with shoes, plimsolls,  tracksuit, guide uniform and three sets of blue skirt and blouse cost under ThB2000. The uniform lasts for about two years, and you get ThB720 back over two years - so it is not too onerous. In addition, as we are a RC school, run by nuns, their are grants available to help parents who find it difficult to afford the uniforms.  The school is punctilious about paying out the government grant, I suspect the money may be "diverted" in some other places....

 

My daughter is now at the age where she is beginning to be interested in fashion - I would rather spend  on school uniform than throw money into the bottomless pit that is "brand name" clothes!

 

Thanks for that JAG - doesn't seem too expensive, but as they say "When you've got nowt, owt is a lot ....!

And I will go along with your last statement! But for me that all changed when my daughter went to Uni, and had to start buying her own food and clothes - suddenly the "Oh, I'm not shopping in THERE" became perfectly acceptable! (e.g. in the UK Netto, Lidl, Primark etc)

34 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

When I was young being gay meant being happy. How time has changed the English language.

Have to agree with you on that one at least Ivr!

7 hours ago, overherebc said:

I couldn't afford the price of the passport stamp if that was the case.

Is there a priority or over 70's lane in DM as there is in Swampy?

Please explain! I've never heard of that one!

17 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

3 defenseless children in hospital!

 

Why would anybody laugh at the event?

I was not laughing at the event - I find it despicable that the actions of this so called "teacher" led to 3 children being taken to hospital, and that the total number that were subjected to this cowardly attack was 21!

No, I was merely pointing out that the addition or omission of one letter in a word can give that word a totally different meaning - with humorous results e.g:-

"I read somewhere that he was not convicted for ant wrongdoing" 

i.e. Wrongdoing against ants?

There was a situation on ThaiVisa recently when a certain poster was bemoaning the fact that years ago the standard of "eduction" was much higher than today. I found it it quite humorous, but unfortunately, he didn't - but hey - some people take offence when their gaffes/typos are pointed out.

To get back on topic, IMHO this teacher should have been sacked already, and criminal charges brought against him/her and the school principal and governors for allowing such forms of "discipline" to be implemented.

17 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

Actually the uniforms are not that expensive and the local markets sell most of them. So for me with one child and a reasonable income it is not a big problem, but for some Thais with 2 or 3 children in different schools it can be a BIG problem.

Yes, I was making the statement in reference to the situation in the UK - my apologies for that. And yes, even though the uniforms may be relatively cheap in the local markets, as you say for a Thai family with 2 or 3 children at different schools I can well imagine it to be a big problem financially.

But as you have a child at school, can you tell me why they have to have so many different uniforms? Surely one for "Summer" and one for "Winter" should suffice - although with the climate here being as it is, probably one would be ample!

49 minutes ago, Essaybloke said:

"Seeing as they don't get taught anything in school "- how do you know that?

"they might as well learn how to behave"- vague and meaningless comment. Do you know that these children 'can't behave'? Why even bother making it?

" Little turd probably deserved it."- I see you covered your options with the adverb. But no child 'deserves' to be humiliated by an education professional, even in Thailand. And  how do you know the kid is a 'little turd'?

All in all I give 3/10 for comment young Cranky. At least you used language in a manner that would elicit an emotional response from your audience. Go to the bottom of the class.

"Seeing as they don't get taught anything in school " 

Seems like Cranky didn't spend much time there either! (Grammar Police at work - substitute "Because" for "Seeing as")

1 hour ago, Cranky said:

Seeing as they don't get taught anything in school they might as well learn how to behave.  Little turd probably deserved it.

Glad you said "probably" as you're presumably not in possession of any facts!

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

I have no objection to my son wearing school uniform but my problem is when he comes home and tells me the the dress code has changed tomorrow and the next day by the school.

 

It annoys me but I can handle it. What poorer parents would do I have no idea if they dont have enough uniforms or they have 2 or 3 children in different schools, kindergarten, primary school and high school at the same time.

I can understand your annoyance! I went to Grammar School (many years ago), and we had one uniform that varied slightly from Summer to Winter. I was proud to wear that uniform, as both of my elder brothers had gone to the same school (11 Plus days) And no, I didn't wear "hand -me - downs! But it was expensive, as it had to be bought from a recommended school supplier. The main "logic" of course was to set you apart from the crowd, and at first I took a bit of ribbing from my friends who had "failed", but this soon abated.

The other "logic" became apparent many years later, when (in my town, anyway) the 11Plus was abandoned, and the Grammar School was close to follow on, and with it the school uniform. The next thing to happen was that the teenagers were subjected to mass media advertising (when I was at school possession of a TV was a rarity - and it was black and white - BBC only!) IMHO, hence began the "keeping up with the Jones' " - teenage style. Everything they wore had to be 'Designer Label", bought at great expense, and the next week (for example) Levi's were "out" and Wranglers were "in"  - just listen to The Kinks - Dedicated Follower of Fashion.

The point I am (eventually!) making is that if a school uniform is mandatory, provided it is just that - A school uniform, and not a different one for every day of the week, then it is cheaper than trying to send a child dressed as a prospective catwalk model to school!

5 hours ago, joeyg said:

Did he also harm ants?  I thought it was children that were savagely attacked...

My type of humour - where a typo can cause a bit of a giggle - unfortunately some posters don't agree, and can't laugh at their own mistakes - they make a song and dance and start dishing out the insults, and take it to a purely personal level - not needed or asked for!

1 minute ago, djayz said:

I agree with you in most points. I too got a good slap on the hand by teachers (or a boot up the ar*e by the auld man) when, and only when, I deserved it as a child. Personally, I have absolutely no problems with corporal punishment per se, a slap on the hand or the cane on the backside, that I agree with (but have never needed to nor will I ever need to practice it in any of my classes). But, hitting people on the head is an absolute no-no. 

 

You are right on all points!