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This story stinks from beginning to end, and my benefit of the doubt absolutely goes in favor of the man defending himself against permanent injury or worse.

As I have stated before, any time a foreigner is involved in an issue that gets a story, the foreigner's statement NEVER reaches our eyes or ears. It is either pure bad reporting with all the Thai details, or something as ludicrous as this piece of crap.

The ones bashing the man need to step back and take a breathe and realize that:

We are talking about Phuket: Death Island Number 2

A foreigner is accosted by a Thai worker without provocation: as stupid as a 7-11 attendant chasing down a robber and getting stabbed to death.

The foreigner is battered about the head by one and maybe more Thais. Head wounds bleed profusely, and even more so when alcohol thins the blood. This man was probably covered in blood and going into a state of panic/shock before he felt the overwhelming sense of self-preservation.

The Thai/Thais did not back off. They were probably like a pack of jackals attacking a wounded lion. They probably had THEIR blood lust up and were simply not going to let this man off easy with a warning, as attested by the multiple head wounds.

We don't know any facts beyond the photograph and the report that the Thai man who put those wounds there had to do so before he received the death wound in his stomach. Clearly, the Thai man did not stop until he received the wound.

And because why... because a foreigner was filming another fight that all the Thai workers were just standing around and watching and doing nothing... and had enough time to case the joint and watch out for what other people were doing instead.

One question is, would this Thai man, or those Thai men, have given any indication to the profusely bleeding and bruised foreigner that they were going to cease and desist. Between their calls to each other on which approach to get to the man and lay in another punch, and their profanity aimed at the foreigner, does anyone think that they spoke kindly to the man to hand over his phone and put his hands in the air (before the knife was produced)?

There are so many holes in this puzzle, yet I am absolutely certain of the despicable, animal behavior of the Thai men on these islands (Phuket and Koh Tao) as ALWAYS depicted in daily newspaper headlines, that the man was entirely fighting for what he emphatically believed was his life.

He was in a corner and surrounded. He lives there for 10 years. He knows all the stories. He knows what happens when these wolf packs attack a foreigner. He knows no one escapes without serious bodily injury. He knows that Thais can't stop head stomping and face kicking once they get rolling and the victim is unfortunate enough to go down beneath their unmerciful blows.

Before he was attacked, he was not doing anything that anyone else might do, and do so without any feelings of violating any rules, code, ethic, etc. The idiot that attacked him should have been doing his job and should have been breaking up the fight going on instead of worrying about a foreigner filming the fight. Who knows how many bar girls and other Thais were also filming the fight, which perhaps inspired the foreigner to join in? Possible? Absolutely.

The disgusting behavior of the Thai worker and his cohorts are what caused all of this. The death is a matter of self-defense. The deceased, in all likelihood was in a sober rage that far and beyond incriminates him compared to a drunk customer minding his own business and being forced (FORCED) to protect himself from what he knows, in all likelihood, was an out and out over the top beating.

Stab wounds come from being in close quarters, and I doubt the foreigner was the one chasing the Thai around the premises and carrying the fight to the Thai.

Self-defense; in that he did nothing wrong before being singled out and compelled to fight for his life, or be permanently injured or worse were he to take what they were dealing out to him.

Just my take, and I wonder how many Aussie bashers have ever had their heads caved in and, still being capable, did nothing. Clearly his counter punches were not effective enough to make these animals stop. Clearly, when in shock, if plan A does not work, regardless of the consequences, one goes to plan B. Not doing anything results in ones permanent injury or epitaph. I think the Aussies sensed that in a fleeting moment even though he was drunk. The disgusting thing is that a grown adult sober man did not have the sense enough to stop trying to injure or kill a drunk, elderly man for using his telephone to film a stupid fight that the grown adult sober man ignored.

Apologies if I insulted anyone, but at least I did not leave any profusely bleeding head wounds.

I sincerely hope you never ever ever become a police officer. There are these little things called facts, writing down what YOU THINK happened is not factual.

You say those bashing the man need to step back before YOU then going on to write a version of events that almost defines SPECULATION. I remember a similar story a few years ago involving a group of 3 English thugs who got involved in a fight with some Thai bouncers ,ended up jumping into the sea and one drowned. Everyone then raved and ranted about how the bouncer thugs should serve life and that they're animals only to conveniently disappear when the truth came out about how the three Brits were violent thugs who had just recently been released from prison for a string of violent acts in the UK.

You seem like another apologist, in fact maybe you should defend the Aussie, you have your closing statement already prepared it seems.

The facts are becoming more clear. Care to remit your statement?

Not until ALL the facts come out. I used to be REAL POLICE, you're an ARMCHAIR detective. And as I said before IF that knife belongs to the Australian and it's deemed illegal in Thailand then he had no legal right to carry it. You cannot pick and choose which laws you wish to abide by.

Was this guy victimized by another violence-prone thai, or was alcohol+attitude responsible? 'Have myself used motorbike taxis more than I'd like to admit. But I always negotiate the fare openly beforehand - not always for the amount I would've thought was fair - and have never had a problem at the other end.

But three minutes unconscious?? Not sure this level of violence is a reasonable response to a refusal to pay a 200B fare (esp. as opposed to whatever the S. Korean thought he should pay).

Check the link at the bottom of the story to watch the cctv....the Korean attacks the taxi driver with a bike helmet then kicks him several times. Do that where I came from and you're also getting knocked out.....in fact I think that goes for most places.

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So, we are to believe that a bar in pattaya let a tourist leave without paying a 1500 baht tab? And then he returned to make trouble. OIC.

And I guess by your sarcastic comment that you take the word of a drunken thug instead of the bar and taxi driver....must be, after all we all know that Pattaya is the hub of gentle, responsible and respectable tourists and ex pats.

Carrying a knife on one's person if it's over a certain size and not required for work IS ILLEGAL. It's classed as a concealed weapon.

And yes protecting ones life IF IN IMMEDIATE DANGER is a human right but that doesn't give people the right to walk around with weapons INCASE they need protection, if that were the case then I'd choose a gun as the range is slightly superior don't you think.

I'm 36 and have never once thought I needed to carry a knife around....I guess either I don't frequent places that I feel intimidated at or that I don't suffer paranoia. If anyone thinks Thailand is so violent they need a sharp potentially leathal weapon on them at all times, then maybe it's time to move somewhere else.

Your argument is so stupid. It's like saying if you feel the need to wear seatbelt at all times, then it's time to stop driving anywhere. (Do you wear a seatbelt?)

If you don't agree with other people taking prevention then that's your problem.

Similarly your comparison to wearing seatbelts definitely wins today's star prize for stupidity...

Since when has wearing a seatbelt to limit harm to yourself ever caused harm to or killed anybody else??

The sole purpose of the seat belt is to protect your life in the very rare event that you may have a life threatening accident.

The sole purpose of carrying a weapon for protection is to protect your life in the very rare event that you may have a life threating incident.

The fact that your life is in danger warrants the use of deadly force. Do you honestly expect that saying to a murderer "please Mr Rapist/Home Invader/Robber don't hurt me" is enough to save your life?

I'd rather take my chances in court and be alive, than some high moralist lying dead in the morgue.

You've lost so why not give up, that hole is getting deeper.

Firstly wearing a seatbelt is a LAWFULL requirement, carrying a concealed weapon like a knife is AGAINST THE LAW.

And you've changed your argument, you never mentioned home invasion before...probably because this story has nothing to do with a home invasion yet because you're being schooled you've decided to change the goalposts.

All I know is that as an ex.Police officer I would have taken great delight in arresting you if I caught you with a concealed weapon, even more so if your personality in person is the same as you come across over the net. You're no dirty Harry so stop acting like one.

Carrying a knife on one's person if it's over a certain size and not required for work IS ILLEGAL. It's classed as a concealed weapon.

And yes protecting ones life IF IN IMMEDIATE DANGER is a human right but that doesn't give people the right to walk around with weapons INCASE they need protection, if that were the case then I'd choose a gun as the range is slightly superior don't you think.

I'm 36 and have never once thought I needed to carry a knife around....I guess either I don't frequent places that I feel intimidated at or that I don't suffer paranoia. If anyone thinks Thailand is so violent they need a sharp potentially leathal weapon on them at all times, then maybe it's time to move somewhere else.

Your argument is so stupid. It's like saying if you feel the need to wear seatbelt at all times, then it's time to stop driving anywhere. (Do you wear a seatbelt?)

If you don't agree with other people taking prevention then that's your problem.

Similarly your comparison to wearing seatbelts definitely wins today's star prize for stupidity...

Since when has wearing a seatbelt to limit harm to yourself ever caused harm to or killed anybody else??

Haha haha yeah, he clearly doesn't see the difference in what the law expects ie// wearing a seatbelt and what the law forbids ie// carrying a concealed weapon.

Some of the commentators on here have the reasoning of an amoeba.

Carrying a knife on one's person if it's over a certain size and not required for work IS ILLEGAL. It's classed as a concealed weapon.

And yes protecting ones life IF IN IMMEDIATE DANGER is a human right but that doesn't give people the right to walk around with weapons INCASE they need protection, if that were the case then I'd choose a gun as the range is slightly superior don't you think.

I'm 36 and have never once thought I needed to carry a knife around....I guess either I don't frequent places that I feel intimidated at or that I don't suffer paranoia. If anyone thinks Thailand is so violent they need a sharp potentially leathal weapon on them at all times, then maybe it's time to move somewhere else.

Your argument is so stupid. It's like saying if you feel the need to wear seatbelt at all times, then it's time to stop driving anywhere. (Do you wear a seatbelt?)

If you don't agree with other people taking prevention then that's your problem.

And the problem of the person being caught carrying an illegal concealed weapon.

BeforeTigers, on 11 Mar 2015 - 13:02, said:

Oh, TV

Day and night this forum sounds off about what a violent hell hole Pattaya is.

Now this dude has a little blade on him and suddenly he's a pussy just for having it?

What's wrong with carrying a knife?

Knives aren't for fighting. Nobody would say they were. What do you think; he was videotaping a fight in public just so he could assault someone?

If I ever felt the need to carry a knife in Thailand for self protection or to be used in self defence...............then I'd also know it's time to leave.

the problem with that is, the time you'll "feel the need" could probably be too late. I'm happy to pre-empt any "need".

So what you're essentially saying is that you're happy to break the law INCASE you need to defend yourself? I've lived in Thailand for 4 years, never thought I required a weapon. If you carry a knife around and " pre empt" the need to use it then I hope the person you " pre emptly" pull it on doesn't have a gun or you may find " pre empting" has done you a cropper.

You're making stuff up. I never said break the law. Carrying a knife is not breaking the law, unless you are stupid enough to tell the police the reason you carry it is for "self protection".

Personally, I believe protecting one's life is a basic human right. Countries like Thailand don't have human rights so you need another legitimate reason to carry a knife.

Carrying a knife on one's person if it's over a certain size and not required for work IS ILLEGAL. It's classed as a concealed weapon.

And yes protecting ones life IF IN IMMEDIATE DANGER is a human right but that doesn't give people the right to walk around with weapons INCASE they need protection, if that were the case then I'd choose a gun as the range is slightly superior don't you think.

I'm 36 and have never once thought I needed to carry a knife around....I guess either I don't frequent places that I feel intimidated at or that I don't suffer paranoia. If anyone thinks Thailand is so violent they need a sharp potentially leathal weapon on them at all times, then maybe it's time to move somewhere else.

BeforeTigers, on 11 Mar 2015 - 13:02, said:

Oh, TV

Day and night this forum sounds off about what a violent hell hole Pattaya is.

Now this dude has a little blade on him and suddenly he's a pussy just for having it?

What's wrong with carrying a knife?

Knives aren't for fighting. Nobody would say they were. What do you think; he was videotaping a fight in public just so he could assault someone?

If I ever felt the need to carry a knife in Thailand for self protection or to be used in self defence...............then I'd also know it's time to leave.

the problem with that is, the time you'll "feel the need" could probably be too late. I'm happy to pre-empt any "need".

So what you're essentially saying is that you're happy to break the law INCASE you need to defend yourself? I've lived in Thailand for 4 years, never thought I required a weapon. If you carry a knife around and " pre empt" the need to use it then I hope the person you " pre emptly" pull it on doesn't have a gun or you may find " pre empting" has done you a cropper.

This story stinks from beginning to end, and my benefit of the doubt absolutely goes in favor of the man defending himself against permanent injury or worse.

As I have stated before, any time a foreigner is involved in an issue that gets a story, the foreigner's statement NEVER reaches our eyes or ears. It is either pure bad reporting with all the Thai details, or something as ludicrous as this piece of crap.

The ones bashing the man need to step back and take a breathe and realize that:

We are talking about Phuket: Death Island Number 2

A foreigner is accosted by a Thai worker without provocation: as stupid as a 7-11 attendant chasing down a robber and getting stabbed to death.

The foreigner is battered about the head by one and maybe more Thais. Head wounds bleed profusely, and even more so when alcohol thins the blood. This man was probably covered in blood and going into a state of panic/shock before he felt the overwhelming sense of self-preservation.

The Thai/Thais did not back off. They were probably like a pack of jackals attacking a wounded lion. They probably had THEIR blood lust up and were simply not going to let this man off easy with a warning, as attested by the multiple head wounds.

We don't know any facts beyond the photograph and the report that the Thai man who put those wounds there had to do so before he received the death wound in his stomach. Clearly, the Thai man did not stop until he received the wound.

And because why... because a foreigner was filming another fight that all the Thai workers were just standing around and watching and doing nothing... and had enough time to case the joint and watch out for what other people were doing instead.

One question is, would this Thai man, or those Thai men, have given any indication to the profusely bleeding and bruised foreigner that they were going to cease and desist. Between their calls to each other on which approach to get to the man and lay in another punch, and their profanity aimed at the foreigner, does anyone think that they spoke kindly to the man to hand over his phone and put his hands in the air (before the knife was produced)?

There are so many holes in this puzzle, yet I am absolutely certain of the despicable, animal behavior of the Thai men on these islands (Phuket and Koh Tao) as ALWAYS depicted in daily newspaper headlines, that the man was entirely fighting for what he emphatically believed was his life.

He was in a corner and surrounded. He lives there for 10 years. He knows all the stories. He knows what happens when these wolf packs attack a foreigner. He knows no one escapes without serious bodily injury. He knows that Thais can't stop head stomping and face kicking once they get rolling and the victim is unfortunate enough to go down beneath their unmerciful blows.

Before he was attacked, he was not doing anything that anyone else might do, and do so without any feelings of violating any rules, code, ethic, etc. The idiot that attacked him should have been doing his job and should have been breaking up the fight going on instead of worrying about a foreigner filming the fight. Who knows how many bar girls and other Thais were also filming the fight, which perhaps inspired the foreigner to join in? Possible? Absolutely.

The disgusting behavior of the Thai worker and his cohorts are what caused all of this. The death is a matter of self-defense. The deceased, in all likelihood was in a sober rage that far and beyond incriminates him compared to a drunk customer minding his own business and being forced (FORCED) to protect himself from what he knows, in all likelihood, was an out and out over the top beating.

Stab wounds come from being in close quarters, and I doubt the foreigner was the one chasing the Thai around the premises and carrying the fight to the Thai.

Self-defense; in that he did nothing wrong before being singled out and compelled to fight for his life, or be permanently injured or worse were he to take what they were dealing out to him.

Just my take, and I wonder how many Aussie bashers have ever had their heads caved in and, still being capable, did nothing. Clearly his counter punches were not effective enough to make these animals stop. Clearly, when in shock, if plan A does not work, regardless of the consequences, one goes to plan B. Not doing anything results in ones permanent injury or epitaph. I think the Aussies sensed that in a fleeting moment even though he was drunk. The disgusting thing is that a grown adult sober man did not have the sense enough to stop trying to injure or kill a drunk, elderly man for using his telephone to film a stupid fight that the grown adult sober man ignored.

Apologies if I insulted anyone, but at least I did not leave any profusely bleeding head wounds.

I sincerely hope you never ever ever become a police officer. There are these little things called facts, writing down what YOU THINK happened is not factual.

You say those bashing the man need to step back before YOU then going on to write a version of events that almost defines SPECULATION. I remember a similar story a few years ago involving a group of 3 English thugs who got involved in a fight with some Thai bouncers ,ended up jumping into the sea and one drowned. Everyone then raved and ranted about how the bouncer thugs should serve life and that they're animals only to conveniently disappear when the truth came out about how the three Brits were violent thugs who had just recently been released from prison for a string of violent acts in the UK.

You seem like another apologist, in fact maybe you should defend the Aussie, you have your closing statement already prepared it seems.

Hang him dry brigade,

There's a law stating that if a person is feeling his life is somewhat in Danger, he has the right to protect himself by any means he feels to do so.

If that means using a weapon for him to protect his life then so be it. I'm also a man who always tries to consider all possible scenarios and be prepared for them. But don't carry knives or guns on me.

You can defend yourself as long as, your immediate life is in danger but IF he's carried that knife around then the first question the police need to ask is "why he does".....saying it's for protection is not a viable answer as it's illegal to carry around weapons such as knives unless entitled to do so. No one knows what happened yet so speculating is pretty pointless, what I will say is that IF it is his knife then he's going to be charged with something.

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There must be more to this story. Someone with a pocket knife stab to the stomach is not going to die on the way to hospital.

And you obtained your doctorate at which university? Or are you just speculating which the majority of people do on here?

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Put them in prison and let them have rehabilitation treatment there.

Who are they kidding?

Or the police are so naive as to believe them?

If you are addicted on drugs there is no rehabilitation for you.

Just excuses to get away..........

While I agree the chances of them actually wanting rehab is low what exactly is locking them up going to do? people like you never come up with a solution merely lock them away so you don't have to worry about them. Coming from a Greek I find the irony somewhat amusing.

So many different nations with different levels of education, different religious beliefs, different levels of social care, different levels of wealth, different levels of debt, different levels of population with different currency and we were all supposed to gel without any issues. What a completely deluded bunch of morons. There was one reason and only one reason for the EU, corruption driven gravy train riding politicians milking the teat.

Is it any different anywhere? A lot of UK politicians employ their relatives as aides and secretaries. Politicians world over are corrupt, dishonest, backstabbing and borderline useless...... amazing at spin and lies though.

In addition, I would like to say that someone who drags my private affairs into the dubious public of TV, will no longer be my friend, regardless how "concerned" he might be.

Says the poster who clicked on and read the OPs story.....ironic.

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I only know 3 reasons for using the word "ironic" sensibly, but none of them fits in this case.

There is no irony in clicking on a subject promising to unveil a business opportunity.

There is no irony in reading the posts first before uttering an opinion. Of course, one could argue not to feed a troll post and not to respond to silly comments. I am guilty of that.

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I'm not a troll, and you clearly don't understand what irony means.

What business opportunity did you think you were clicking on IN THAI VISA FORUMS. You want a website for business opportunities go on start up websites.

As for your opinion, I can only assume friendship to you means people watching each other fall without offering advice before or expression after. Granted TVF is not somewhere I'd ask for advice however if the OP was desperate for a second, third etc opinion then its his choice, it's not as though he gave much about "Bob" away like his life history and national insurance number is it?

Seems to me you're the troll. A very lonely one at that.

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I have a 4 year old dual citizen Thai Aussie son. Drug dealers, shoot them.

Great parenting right there- "son, if someone does something you don't like, shoot them dead". Some may say your comment was ironic.

Ignore them, trolls are dependent on you interacting with them- they hate being ignored with a passion. Just take comfort in the knowledge that their life is an endless cycle of boredom and attempting to wind up strangers from their 2k a month bedsit. Let's face it, you don't come across many successful trolls do you?

Lot of jealous people on this thread. Lucky Bob. He can drink himself to death for free, others have to pay for the privilege.

Erm, drink for free? What part of the 750000thb didn't you understand. I could drink for 3-4 years on that without the worry of rent/bills/ police.

In addition, I would like to say that someone who drags my private affairs into the dubious public of TV, will no longer be my friend, regardless how "concerned" he might be.

Says the poster who clicked on and read the OPs story.....ironic.

So the likelihood is that Lek's bar has been sold to Bob who in turn signs it over to Lek along with 750,000k. Genius.

6.5 million for half a square meter??? How much would it have cost just to change the building?? A couple of hundred grand no doubt.....so no, instead he hires arguably the most sorry looking hitmen in South East Asia to rub him out.

What did the business man expect for 300k ? Carlos the Jackal? You wouldn't get Mr Bean for 300k.

A tub of my wife's facial moisturizer is covering my shower drain now....never seen once since...not sure whether it blocks the hole or whether the moisturizer is laced with uranium, either way it's done the job.

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Heartless, souless, predatory animals.

I can only presume that you are referring to the punters who exploit the local population and consider arranging an orgy totally acceptable. They are far more heartless, soulless, predatory animals as any working girl .

But of course- in the true fashion of so many TV members who consider that sleeping with prostitutes is an almost every day occurance - you are not referring to the sexpats

I may be wrong?

Exactly, if these guys thought with their big head instead of their little one then they'd not get in trouble. Ironic that sex pats think it's merely a business transaction, even though it's illegal in most countries.

From your comment I will asume your from the US as prostitution is legal in more countries than not. If your one of those religious fanantics that belive sex outside of marriage is a sin don't push your views on others. As long as persons are not being forced to engage in sex , kiddnapped , or abused what 2 adults agree to do should not be a problem.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/general/488889-countries-that-have-legal-prostitution.html --- Shows how many countires have legal prostitution

I'm British actually and prostitution is illegal in more nations than it's legal. If we're making assumptions though, I assume you're an over the hill sex pat than needs to pay some girl young enough to be your granddaughter to pleasure you. If someone wants to be a prostitute when they come from a good background and have a decent education you could say it's a choice, someone who has to sell their body in order to make a living is totally different.

Levels is anything but upper class, You'll be lucky if you can walk around and it's way overpriced. I'd suggest The Nest which is just around the corner , far more chilled out and better service.