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1 minute ago, MangoKorat said:

Precisely where does he say he holds a Non O?

Non Immigrant O extension marriage to Thai.

2 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

He may well do so but equally he could be on a Non B. 

Then he'd be enquiring about an extension based on employment.

3 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

I note that once again you are attempting to pull a post of mine apart but in this case you are failing and doing so without any justification.

Once again, someone asks a simple question about apples, and you question whether he meant oranges.

Just take the opening OP at face value.

21 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

I have read the title.  It is entirely possible that as he is working in Thailand, this is his first application for a marriage based Non O and subsequent extension. He does not say what his current status is but he does say he's working in Thailand.

 

He could currently be on a Non B.

The OP is enquiring about the financial requirements for an extension of stay based on Thai spouse having held a Non O visa.

He's asking can he use the 40K income method rather than the 400k in a Thai bank account, which I'm guessing he previously used, so no it wouldn't be his first extension application, nor is he on a Non B.

I have already posted the 3 options available for proof of income for an extension based on Thai spouse from Immigration orders.
You must provide evidence of income of father, mother or husband who is an alien which shows that throughout a year, an average income is not less than 40,000 baht monthly.

1) A personal income tax form together with the payment slip, or, 

2) Evidence showing pension - a letter of certification on deposit in the bank in Thailand and bank statement showing money transfer from overseas every month for the past 12 months.

3) Income certification, certified by the embassy or consular.

Whichever of the above 3 options requires proof covering 1 year.

2 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

This man works in Thailand, he won't be transfering money in. If he was working in Thailand before he was married he will have had to earn at least 50k per month to obtain a B visa whereas for a Non O marriage based extension, he will need to show an income of 40k per month.

Nothing to do with a B visa.

Read the topic title.

12 minutes ago, mania said:

Actually you would just need proof of the 12 incoming transfers of at least 40k baht. You do not need to keep the funds in the bank until you have 12 month evidence...(If that is what your saying?) 

I'm saying it's safer and wiser to keep hold of the funds until such time you meet the income requirements.

2 hours ago, bob smith said:

what forward planning does it require then?

To keep the funds in the bank until such time you have evidence of 12 months income.

Continued.

Or, 3) Income certification certified by the embassy or consular.

1 hour ago, bob smith said:

surely a retirement extension doesn't have the same requirements as a marriage extension tied to a work permit?

Applying for an extension based on Thai spouse and an application for a work permit are totally separate issues.

To meet the financial requirements, you must provide evidence of income of father, mother or husband who is an alien which shows that throughout a year, an average income is not less than 40,000 baht monthly. 1) A personal income tax form together with the payment slip, or, 2) Evidence showing pension - a letter of certification on deposit in the bank in Thailand and bank statement showing money transfer from overseas every month for the past 12 months.

3 minutes ago, bob smith said:

No.

 

I asked for it well done!

 

bob.

You can cook it until crisp, but if it wasn't first defrosted, it will still be undercooked in the centre.

Hey Bob, I somewhat sympathise with your experience, but expecting a Thai establishment to cook foreign food to your liking is rare.

Burgers and sausages in particular are taken straight from the freezer and cooked without defrosting first.
The result is as you experienced, cooked on the outside, raw in the middle.

Usually if you order French fries together, it's common the fries to be served first and the burger 10 minutes later when you've eaten the fries.
Or as you experienced, they cooked the fries then waited for the burger before serving together ........ cold fries.

Even some of the best 'Thai' restaurants, do not understand the concept that foreigners like their meals served hot and together.

Thais don't complain, they often eat food cold by choice.

Not qualified on what basis.

Are you legally married and living with your wife?
Did your wife attend with you?
Were your documents in order?

Under section 2.4 of Order 327/2557 you can apply for a 30-day extension for tourism purposes.
Under section 2.24 you can apply for a 60-day extension to visit a Thai spouse.

1 hour ago, koratkarlos said:

The only item I can add is that when I returned last December from the US, then went into Chiang Mai to get my Non-O visa, I was 4 days late for TM30 reporting and they fined me 1900 THB.  I returned home to my wife at our house.  What I did not understand is why they did not have this form at the airport when I re-entered Thailand.

If you were applying for a Non O, then entering was a new entry.

On 5/18/2024 at 12:59 PM, cjinchiangrai said:

The full rules say you need a new one to cancel one from a hotel.

On 5/18/2024 at 1:32 PM, cjinchiangrai said:

The TM30 has been around for ages. Even a house book does not supersede it, even though it should. Out of district refile. If you are in a more modern place they have it more automated now though. For the OP, definitely on a new entry.

Can you post a link to these 'full' rules?

Since Immigration published the new TM30 regulations in 2020, I haven't seen anything different.

26 minutes ago, The Great Tortoise said:

Stepping aside from the O vs OA debate for a moment, and focussing on the 1 year vs 2 years allowable with the OA --

The key line on the government website is this:

 

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5.1  Upon arrival, holder of this type of visa will be permitted to stay in Thailand for 1 year from the date of first entry.

 

But this contradicts just about everything else that I am reading.

 

The Thai version of the government site says first entry too, so I am a bit pissed off if this is in fact incorrect.

 

You're entirely missing the point and misinterpreting that information.

It's states 'from the date of first entry' because you can have a second, third, fourth, in fact unlimited entries during the 1 year validity of that visa.

Entering VE permits a stay of 30 days.

Entering TV permits a stay of 60 days.

Entering Non O permits a stay of 90 days.

Entering Non 0-A permits a stay of 365 days.

Similarly, the Non Imm O multi entry visa is also valid for 1 year.
Foreigner can stay for 15 months with that type of visa - why?

The first entry only permits a stay of 90 days.
Cross a border and re-enter and permitted a further stay of 90 days, and so on.

I don't think you've as yet grasped the fact that the validity of a visa and the validity of the period of stay are totally separate.

Each and every entry from a Non 0-A ME permits a period of stay of 365 days during the 1 year validity of the visa.
Just as the Non Imm 0 ME permits multiple 90 day entries during the 1 year validity of the visa, the Non 0-A permits multi entries of 365 days during the validity of the visa (subject to Health Insurance expiry date).

6 minutes ago, The Great Tortoise said:

 

I'm not trying to argue with you here. I'm trying to figure out what the correct information is in a field that seems to be rife with contradictions and conflicting information and opinions.

No contradictions or conflicting information in this topic, we are all stating the same about the Non 0-A visa.

The Non O-A is valid to enter Thailand for 1 year.
It's multiple entry, so you can depart and re-enter as many times as you like within the validity of the visa.
On entry you are permitted a stay of 1 year (subject to Insurance expiry date).

2 minutes ago, The Great Tortoise said:

That's not really a problem. We have included health insurance as part of the essential costs of living outside of the UK. Even in the UK, with how the NHS now, health insurance would be a good idea, but that is to go off topic. Even if it were not a requirement for permit extensions, we would be taking it out anyway.

You realise that when the time comes for your Mother to extend her period of stay from entry of a Non O-A visa, the 3M compulsory Insurance is also mandatory for the yearly extensions. The older you become, the higher the risk and the higher the premiums. She may even be refused Insurance by a certain age.

Extending your stay for a Non O visa does not require mandatory Insurance for the annual extensions.

Your are free to self Insure, or find a Health Insurance policy that better suits your needs at a more affordable rate than the Insurance forced upon you by the Thai tgia companies from a Non O-A .

16 minutes ago, The Great Tortoise said:

 

https://www.mfa.go.th/en/page/non-immigrant-visa-o-a?menu=5e1ff71bc4281a00c812e8e2

 

5. Recommendations for foreigners with Non-Immigrant Visa “O-A” (Long Stay) while staying in the Kingdom

 

            5.1  Upon arrival, holder of this type of visa will be permitted to stay in Thailand for 1 year from the date of first entry.

 

From the same website;

https://www.mfa.go.th/en/page/general-information?menu=5e1ff6d057b01e00a6391dc5

7. Please note that the period of visa validity is different from the period of stay.  Visa validity is the period during which a visa can be used to enter Thailand.  In general, the validity of a visa is 3 months, but in some cases, visas may be issued to be valid for 6 months, 1 year or 3 years.  The validity of a visa is granted with discretion by the Royal Thai Embassy or Royal Thai Consulate-General and is displayed on the visa sticker. 

8. On the other hand, the period of stay is granted by an immigration officer upon arrival at the port of entry and in accordance with the type of visa. 

8 minutes ago, The Great Tortoise said:

5.1  Upon arrival, holder of this type of visa will be permitted to stay in Thailand for 1 year from the date of first entry.

Yes, first entry, but as the visa is multiple entry and valid for 1 year, she can exit and enter Thailand as many times as she wants until the 'enter before' date of that 0-A visa and on each entry she will be permitted to stay for 1 year (subject to expiry date of the Health Insurance).

If she crossed a border and re-entered the day before the visa expires in May next year, she will be granted further permission of stay until May 2025.

8 minutes ago, The Great Tortoise said:

Of course yes, but "Marriage Visa" was the shorthand I used in the chat for my own situation, which is not really relevant to my mother's process.

It is relevant as your Mother has been granted permission of stay for 1 year, a permit of stay.
The only difference is she still has a valid visa.

8 minutes ago, The Great Tortoise said:

OH MY GOSH! I need to check this out! This is new information! THANK YOU! (And sorry for shouting!)

Read this attached explanation document.

How - The Non Imm O-A Visa ..odt 

17 minutes ago, The Great Tortoise said:

I am on a marriage visa.

Not your not.
You have a 1 year extension of stay based on Thai spouse, which is a permit, not a visa.

I assume you originally had a Non Imm O visa which granted you a stay of 90 days.
You then extend that initial 90 day stay for a further 365 days each year.

TM7. Extension of temporary stay in the Kingdom of Thailand.

Visas cannot be extended, they are either used on entry, or expire on the 'enter before' date.

1 hour ago, The Great Tortoise said:

My mother has just moved to Thailand from the UK on an O-A Retirement visa, issued before she left, to live with us. In order to extend it she needs to open a bank account. Of course, there are the usual difficulties with this, but there is now a new one.

You are aware you can stay in Thailand for up to 2 years with the 0-A visa, before the need to visit an Immigration office to extend her permission of stay.

Some banks also like a reference from an existing trusted customer.
Very surprised your own bank branch hasn't allowed her to open a Savings account.

4 hours ago, KannikaP said:

Incorrect. One Wise transfer went via Kasikorn instead of directly to Bkk Bank. Kasikorn issued me a Credit Advice even though I do not bank with them.

I'll admit that since I did my research, the rules may have changed and the bank dealing with the transaction may now be able to offer a credit advice receipt as opposed to an FET.

An FET now only appears to be issued for amounts of more than 50,000 USD.

4 hours ago, KannikaP said:

Incorrect. One Wise transfer went via Kasikorn instead of directly to Bkk Bank. Kasikorn issued me a Credit Advice even though I do not bank with them.

You may find they issued you an FET, not a credit advice.

Exactly the same happened to a friend and Kasikorn issued an FET

All payments to your branch account go through the HQ of the bank. Only the HQ have a 'SWIFT' code, branches do not.

Wise payments through their BKK account to your Bangkok account will be coded FTT in the passbook and as International on a statement.
That's because BKK bank HQ are the only bank that notifies the branch of the source.

Wise payments through their KK account to your Kasikorn account, will be coded as a 'local transfer' in the passbook, but International on a statement.
That's because KK HQ, do not notify the branch of the source.
In this case, a 'credit advice' receipt can be issued by KK as evidence the deposit came from overseas.

In other cases where Wise payments go through other banks other than your own bank, to your bank account, then a FET is requested.

2 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

Yes I've had several extensions to a multi and I was aware of the 17 months possibility. I just didn't realise that a 12 month extension of stay can be extended.

Just to reiterate and as pointed out by @steve187

12 hours ago, steve187 said:

only one 60 day wife extension allowed per entry, excluding re-entry permit re-entry, need to check if the one only has been used

2 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

My last marriage extension expired on 23 January 2024, I applied for a renewal on 10 January, and received a stamp in my passport to collect the visa on 9 February, which I duly did. So, 30 days from when I made the application. To be clear, I do not use an agent, I apply myself with the help of my wife

Some Immigration offices date the 30-day under consideration period from the date of submitting your application, whilst others (like mine) date it from the expiry date of the existing extension.

8 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Thanks for that - good to know.

Those with Non Imm O ME visas frequently applied for a 60-day extension to each 90 day entry.
Thus, border crossing were only required every 150 days for a new 90-day entry.
It also permitted them to stay for almost 17 months with just 3 border hops and 3 60 day extensions, before having to apply for a new visa.