Liquorice

@BaanOz

The Thai ID number never changes, even if changing her name.

If the Amphoe states they have no record of the name change, then they must still have her registered in her aunts surname!
How then can she have an ID card in her Mother's name, unless she officially changed her name.

2 minutes ago, BaanOz said:

It couldn’t have been an amendment. It would have been new.

Check!

They quite often just amend the name in the Tabien Baan, rather than issuing a new book.
That could be your lead, as it will be initialled by the registrar that made the changes.

I've never known an Amphoe not issue a certificate in these situations, not to say there's never a first.
It could have been left on the counter instead of being handed over, but the record should be on the system.

It's all part of the record of Thai population census.

9 minutes ago, BaanOz said:

Her mother’s.

OK, so it was followed through by amending her name in the TB, as should be the case.

Now, was her name merely amended in the existing TB or did they issue a new TB?

11 minutes ago, BaanOz said:

As far as we know when she came to Australia in early 90’s there may have been issues with dual citizenship and at the time of getting a Thai passport her ID expired and it was cut up.

Was this in Australia or Thailand?
Who and where was her new ID card issued?

12 minutes ago, BaanOz said:

We spent many years trying to dig up her old ID information in Bangkok and they also “lost” her old Thai passport.

 

I understand it sounds highly irregular but there is absolutely zero link/s between her old and new ID.

There will be, it's just finding it.

14 minutes ago, BaanOz said:

 

It was never a name change on the original ID, it was a completely new ID.

 

They issued a new ID with a new surname.

Same, same, there is a record of this event, and she would have been issued a certificate noting the change.

It would be highly irregular for the Amphoe just to issue a new ID card without issuing a notice of some kind.
My wife suggests she returns to the Amphoe that issued her new ID card to resolve the situation.

They will have a record on their system.

Curiosity, but by what name is she registered on a Tabien Baan, her aunt/uncle or her Mothers.

4 minutes ago, BaanOz said:

Got married with ID under Aunt/Uncle surname.

 

They died.

 

DNA test with mother and new ID has mother’s surname.

Understood.
As above, to make a change to a new surname is an official procedure, registered on the system and a certificate issued noting the change of name as well as issuing a new ID card reflecting the name change.

The marriage certificate and registration states her previous surname.

After we married, the wife took my surname.
They issued a certificate of name change, changed the name in her Tabien Baan and issued a new ID card.

When we apply for an extension based on Thai spouse, her surname on her ID is the same as mine.

However, on the marriage certificate it is her previous surname.

The certificate of name change confirms to Immigration it is the same person.

2 minutes ago, BaanOz said:

As mentioned in the OP there is no link between her ID when married early 90’s and the ID with her mother’s surname and yes she did this after Auntie/Uncle passed away and after we married.

As, I suspected, she changed her surname after you married.
She therefore would have been issued a certificate of name change as posted above by @brianthainess

Possible she doesn't remember and has misplaced it.

Go to the Provincial Amphoe, and they should be able to trace the change of surname.

4 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

@ liquorice.  I've more than met my quota of discussion with arrogant fools this month. I promise to avoid any further interaction with you in the same way I reject the inedible confection you represent. I suggest you do the same with any old crocs you come across.

Not trying to be arrogant at all, just precise.
Sorry, that 'wife' link doesn't open for me, so I couldn't view it.

I didn't take offence, neither should you, the importance surely is to give the correct information.

The OP's issue as it's now established is with the surname on his wife's ID card.
Accept my apologies if in any way I offended you.

50 minutes ago, BaanOz said:

Thanks, have been to the Amphoe and they want to see our marriage certificate to change her surname to mine and the surname on it doesn’t match her ID surname.

What ID did she use when you married?

It sounds as though whatever ID card she used to get married (uncle/aunty surname or Mother's surname) she then changed her name to the other after marriage, otherwise the ID on her card and on the marriage certificate would match.

She would have been issued a 'certificate of name change' at that point, and probably not realising its importance not kept it safe.

Any Amphoe should be able to trace that change in name, but they cannot issue another 'certificate' but can issue a notice confirming the registration of the name change.

2 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

I extended for 12 months, based on marriage, three days ago. For documentation I used the Bureau of Immigration extensions list that I linked. I received my Under Consideration stamp without drama.

No completed TM 7's.
No passport photos.
Just a copy of the passport, not all the pages.

No updated Kor Ror 2.
No photos in and around the house.
No map.

2 sets of copies.

You have a very lenient Immigration office then.

11 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

My mistake was to, unknowingly, quote one of the surliest characters on the forum. I didn't look/remember that you were someone best avoided in mature discussion here.

🤩

8 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Perhaps if you weren't so obsessed with being offended by my quote you may have read past the criteria and on to the documents to be submitted list.

No, I read the document checklist, which omits half the required documents and only list documents for ID and financials.
Obviously you don't apply based on Thai spouse.

If you'd taken the time or made an effort to open the link posted by @BaanOz, you'd see I made a similar comment in that topic, then went on to post a comprehensive list of the required documents.

On 4/27/2024 at 9:41 AM, Siamesepiggster said:

I was also thinking of going to immigration to casually ask if they can do anything to help with my 12 month extension given mu circumstances.

Do you have evidence of your daughter being overseas?
Obviously the timing is bad and in future you need to bear in mind your daughter should theoretically accompany you.

Interested to know what the 'document' issue is?

3 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Visa Extension – สำนักงานตรวจคนเข้าเมือง – Immigration Bureau

 

Open point number 18 for marriage extension requirements.

No idea why you replied to my post.

I was informing, not asking.

The link you posted is for the criteria, (financial requirements) not the document checklist.

36 minutes ago, BaanOz said:

With reference to the list above of documents required, I'm interested in the option of "extension by marriage" to stay here long term. I'm just putting this question out here but I think I know already the answer.

The list in that topic from the wall in CM IO is for the initial Non O if you entered TV or VE.

It is not for the 1-year permit of stay if you already obtained the Non O previously.

7 hours ago, csmith said:

On the wall at Chiangmai immigration ….

That's for the initial Non O when you've entered VE or TV, not for the 1-year permit of stay.

9 hours ago, Chetzee said:

hi , 

 does anyone have a list of the required docs for my first Non O extension based on marriage   at Chang Wattana .... 

Also is local health cover required ....  

 

 

Universal list:

Docs Extension of Stay based on Thai spouse.odt 

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

And what might that be? 

 

So if I go the day before it expires, I can effectively get 13 months on one extension? 

No, because when the permit of stay is approved and issued, it will be backdated to the expiry date of the previous permit.

The codes given are all International numbers.
+66 is the Thai International code to ring if you're outside the Country.

+001 doesn't belong to a specific country. Instead, it's part of the international dialling format used to make calls to the United States, Canada, and several other countries in the North American Numbering Plan 

Inside Thailand, just drop the +66 International code, replacing with a 0 as a local code.
Therefore, +662 632 6611 becomes 02 632 6611.

10 minutes ago, Gulfsailor said:

That said it’s true that some extensions, for instance for reason of employment or education, do need to be officially cancelled by immigration before leaving the country.

Curiosity, but what visa type did you have whilst working.

Non B with extensions of stay + work permit, or Non O based on Thai spouse with a work permit.

@DrJack54 is perfectly correct.

Although the Non Imm O is used on entry, your status whilst in Thailand is as a Non Immigrant.

After a 60-day extension, you left, later returning as a Tourist on a VE entry.

Are they confusing it with not cancelling your work permit when you officially stopped working?

If I were in doubt, and returning before my extension expiry date, I'd submit the application between retuning and the expiry date.

You can apply any time up until the expiry date.

4 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Returning on 8th with an extension dated the 8th, and an under consideration stamp dated until the 10th

Should read;

Returning on 8th with an extension dated the 10th, and an under consideration stamp dated 30 days after the 10th.

There is a record in the back of the log book when tax/insurance was paid.

To tax/insure, you must pay off any arrears from previous years.

Any official unpaid fines for speeding, going through red lights, will also be detailed.

8 minutes ago, Stocky said:

The same as my current extension!

Exactly, that answer the question.
If you currently have permission of stay until 22nd May and a same dated re-entry permit, and your returning before that date, both are valid.

An under consideration stamp does invalidate your current permission of stay, if it did, then when your further extension application was approved, it would be backdated to the date you submitted that application, which it isn't. It's dated from the expiry date of your previous valid permit of stay date.

The IO gave you incorrect information.
There are already two reports of returning within the current extension date, whilst having an under consideration stamp.

If you have purchased a further re-entry permit, I would be interested to know the to and from dates.

I can guarantee on your return you will be stamped in until 22nd May, which is the expiry date of your current extension and re-entry permit.

36 minutes ago, Stocky said:

No, I specifically said my return date would be within the period of my current permission to stay which runs to May 22nd. I was told by the immigration officer that I would need a new re-entry permit. 

What is the expiry date of your current re-entry permit?