Jip66

Do NOT go to ANY Immigration office, go straight to any international airport or land crossings to go OUT of Thailand

It is obvious from your reply that you didn't read the whole thread, so I will just repeat myself for your benefit

"I would like to add, although I will only own 49% of this company, more than a combined 50% will be owned by my own direct blood family (lets just say my father was involved here )"

And my Thai family are NOT some sort of low income lower class type, they already own a very well established company in Bangkok, and they would not want to see me being 'ripped off'

Your case is perfectly normal. I too opened the very same company 10 years ago. You have further complications these days as the companies financial liabilities are now a compulsory Thai affair and unlike before a Thai has to sign for libel on any company. You say your father? You mean her father! As for your last paragraph, i have herd the same thing a million times.

If you want to listen and do it the best way possible try this. Open a company in your wife's name and trade on it for 6 months creating invoices and legitimate transactions, you can easily create an on line store and shill bid on it. After 6 months tell her to apply for a mortgage. The bank will give her 75%. You then pay rent for 30 years. It cost about 17000 per month and you get a house, a wife and some children if you want them. My wife and family would never dream of kicking me out. I mean who will pay the bills??????????????

When I say my father, I mean MY father (not my partner's father), he was in Thailand many years before me (I'm just following in his footsteps ), he married a Thai & had kids, so I have a Thai Step-Mother & Thai 1/2 Brother & Sister

I'm not married to my partner so I will not be putting anything in her name (atm), if anything my 1/2 brother will become a director

I've recently aquired a single entry TR Visa in London, I have not as yet booked any flights but intend getting a one-way flight to BKK in the very near future (within 3 months of Visa date stamp), am I going to have a problem at Swampy without a 'follow-on flight, & if so will I be able to purchase a flight to Vientiane from there at the end of said Visa to get a follow-on Non-Imm O Visa?

You won't have a problem at all as you have a valid visa.

The only time you encounter problems is departing for Thailand on a one way ticket without a valid visa.

Thanks stoney, I can start to breath slowly again

On my last trip I did enter Thailand on a one-way ticket without a Visa, didn't have any problems at all, stayed for 11 months on Non-Imm O Visa's before flying out again

I've recently aquired a single entry TR Visa in London, I have not as yet booked any flights but intend getting a one-way flight to BKK in the very near future (within 3 months of Visa date stamp), am I going to have a problem at Swampy without a 'follow-on flight, & if so will I be able to purchase a flight to Vientiane from there at the end of said Visa to get a follow-on Non-Imm O Visa?

i find this very hard to believe i got a o visa three days ago because i have two kids

in thailand i am not married to my partner i think his paper work was incorrect or incomplete

My paperwork is NOT incorrect, it is the very same paperwork I have used on THREE previous occassions to get a Non-Imm O Visa in Vientiene, i.e. childs birth certificate, copy of mothers ID card, copies of house book enteries for both mother & child, as well as a copy of my current passport. They were not even interested in looking at my paperwork, just asked if I had a marriage certificate.

Where did you get yours, & were the mother & children with you?

How old is the child?

As Thai law is that you are not the father of the child as you are not married, and if the child is under a certain age then

you must apply to be recognised by the courts as the father of the child, maybe they are tightening up these rules and

giving the Embassies the rules to follow word for word.

My boy will be 2yrs old in March

I agree that there are only two methods in which to 'aquire' fatherhood for a Thai child, the easiest is just to marry the childs mother, & the 2nd is to apply to the Family Court for a Judge to decide. To cut to the 'chase', I do intend to marry the mother in the nearest future, but I need to do a few things before that will happen, as we 'all' know once married everything either of us aquire is owned 50/50.

So my 1st objective will be to create a company, & as I can only own 49% of said company, the other 51% will be divided up between 6-7 different Thai's that DON'T know each other (key point), this gives me control of the company, once created the 'company' will buy land & some vehical's in the company name.

With these objectives obtained I am more than willing to marry my sweetheart, & thus gain fatherhood for my son

There are 2 high profile cases ongoing of Farang who did exactly the same and both got screwed via forged signatures and dodgy lawyers.

It is obvious from your reply that you didn't read the whole thread, so I will just repeat myself for your benefit

"I would like to add, although I will only own 49% of this company, more than a combined 50% will be owned by my own direct blood family (lets just say my father was involved here )"

And my Thai family are NOT some sort of low income lower class type, they already own a very well established company in Bangkok, and they would not want to see me being 'ripped off'

How old is the child?

As Thai law is that you are not the father of the child as you are not married, and if the child is under a certain age then

you must apply to be recognised by the courts as the father of the child, maybe they are tightening up these rules and

giving the Embassies the rules to follow word for word.

My boy will be 2yrs old in March

I agree that there are only two methods in which to 'aquire' fatherhood for a Thai child, the easiest is just to marry the childs mother, & the 2nd is to apply to the Family Court for a Judge to decide. To cut to the 'chase', I do intend to marry the mother in the nearest future, but I need to do a few things before that will happen, as we 'all' know once married everything either of us aquire is owned 50/50.

So my 1st objective will be to create a company, & as I can only own 49% of said company, the other 51% will be divided up between 6-7 different Thai's that DON'T know each other (key point), this gives me control of the company, once created the 'company' will buy land & some vehical's in the company name.

With these objectives obtained I am more than willing to marry my sweetheart, & thus gain fatherhood for my son

I've been told that they are now looking into how companies are set up and that the Thai shareholders must show proof of their investment.This method was used years ago but I wouldn't recommend it now.

They look into everything these days so be warned!

Thanks for the 'heads up', as they say, forewarned is forearmed, I'l just have to make sure the 'appropiate paperwork' is all in order.

I would like to add, although I will only own 49% of this company, more than a combined 50% will be owned by my own direct blood family (lets just say my father was involved here )

what about visa non O in savanakhet still ok for non o thai child ?

As far as I know it still is not a problem to get a single entry non-o.

A multiple entry is only possible if the entire family is present when the application is done to prove you are living together as a family (de facto marriage).

I was told only yesterday at the Thai Embassy in London that unmarried farang's are NO LONGER ENTITLED to obtain Non-Imm O Visa's in regard to having a dependant Thai child

Perhaps not from them. It does not mean it is worldwide. You will find every embassy will have their own policies.

As I wrote before I suspect they might still do them if you had legitimization documents to show.

UJ, what do you think I took to show them? This week's losing lottery ticket? I have ALL the 'legitimization documents to show', I have obtain THREE Non-Imm O Visa's previously from Vientien with the same documents I provided on Wednesday, but they were not good enough this time, they wanted to see a valid marrige certificate, nothing else mattered to them. They categorically told me Non-Imm O Visa's are NO LONGER AVAILABLE for unmarried farangs with Thai dependents, their words, not mine

what about visa non O in savanakhet still ok for non o thai child ?

As far as I know it still is not a problem to get a single entry non-o.

A multiple entry is only possible if the entire family is present when the application is done to prove you are living together as a family (de facto marriage).

I was told only yesterday at the Thai Embassy in London that unmarried farang's are NO LONGER ENTITLED to obtain Non-Imm O Visa's in regard to having a dependant Thai child

How old is the child?

As Thai law is that you are not the father of the child as you are not married, and if the child is under a certain age then

you must apply to be recognised by the courts as the father of the child, maybe they are tightening up these rules and

giving the Embassies the rules to follow word for word.

My boy will be 2yrs old in March

I agree that there are only two methods in which to 'aquire' fatherhood for a Thai child, the easiest is just to marry the childs mother, & the 2nd is to apply to the Family Court for a Judge to decide. To cut to the 'chase', I do intend to marry the mother in the nearest future, but I need to do a few things before that will happen, as we 'all' know once married everything either of us aquire is owned 50/50.

So my 1st objective will be to create a company, & as I can only own 49% of said company, the other 51% will be divided up between 6-7 different Thai's that DON'T know each other (key point), this gives me control of the company, once created the 'company' will buy land & some vehical's in the company name.

With these objectives obtained I am more than willing to marry my sweetheart, & thus gain fatherhood for my son

What a wonderful, trusting way to start a marriage. Hiding all of your assets from her because in the back of your mind you don't trust her. I wonder where does this lack of trust stem from? Is it because of where and how you met? Or perhaps the simple fact that she is Thai means you don't trust her? In which case you may need to come to terms with your own inherent views on race...Why would you marry a woman you don't trust? Sorry, for being harsh but it is what it is!

Admittedly trust is not 100%, there have been 'issuses' in our four year relationship, where we have both 'emotionally hurt' each other (I'm not willing to go into every 'smutty' detail for the perverted members of this forum ), but we are both strong willed/minded people & have 'managed' to work things out between ourselves, which has only made our relationship stronger, including the birth of our son.

I will not be 'hiding all my assets' from her because she will know exactly where every satang is spent, she just won't have direct access to any of it, what she will have complete access to is the income the company generates, as well as equal access to income from 'assets' I already own in the UK, she won't go hungry

How old is the child?

As Thai law is that you are not the father of the child as you are not married, and if the child is under a certain age then

you must apply to be recognised by the courts as the father of the child, maybe they are tightening up these rules and

giving the Embassies the rules to follow word for word.

My boy will be 2yrs old in March

I agree that there are only two methods in which to 'aquire' fatherhood for a Thai child, the easiest is just to marry the childs mother, & the 2nd is to apply to the Family Court for a Judge to decide. To cut to the 'chase', I do intend to marry the mother in the nearest future, but I need to do a few things before that will happen, as we 'all' know once married everything either of us aquire is owned 50/50.

So my 1st objective will be to create a company, & as I can only own 49% of said company, the other 51% will be divided up between 6-7 different Thai's that DON'T know each other (key point), this gives me control of the company, once created the 'company' will buy land & some vehical's in the company name.

With these objectives obtained I am more than willing to marry my sweetheart, & thus gain fatherhood for my son

Always remember that you will be responsible for any debts that she might run up after you are married so just hiding your assets from her is not the complete answer

offset, I appreciate your imput on this matter, but at the end of the day, if she doesn't realise which side her bread is buttered, she will not only be 'shooting herself in the foot', but ruining the future of our son AND her daughter

I would be interested in UbonJoe's opinion on my 'company setup' as mentioned above

I turn 50 in January, so I will get this 2 month TR Visa extended for a further 30 days at Immigration, then get one more TR Visa after that before applying for a 12 month Retirement Visa

You shouldn't need the second TR visa. Near the end of the 30 day extension you can get a 60 day extension for visiting your child (unmarried is no problem) which will give you nearly 5 months in total. If you can get away with 4 months you could extend by 60 instead of 30.

Will I then be able to convert the orginal 2 month (now extended) Tourist Visa into a Non-Imm O Visa after I turn 50?

Yes, but you'll need to be 50 and have at least 15 days of stay left when you apply.

That shouldn't be a problem, by the time I fly there will be less than 4 months until I turn 50, thanks for you advice

I assume you are under 50

I turn 50 in January, so I will get this 2 month TR Visa extended for a further 30 days at Immigration, then get one more TR Visa after that before applying for a 12 month Retirement Visa

You shouldn't need the second TR visa. Near the end of the 30 day extension you can get a 60 day extension for visiting your child (unmarried is no problem) which will give you nearly 5 months in total. If you can get away with 4 months you could extend by 60 instead of 30.

Will I then be able to convert the orginal 2 month (now extended) Tourist Visa into a Non-Imm O Visa after I turn 50?

How old is the child?

As Thai law is that you are not the father of the child as you are not married, and if the child is under a certain age then

you must apply to be recognised by the courts as the father of the child, maybe they are tightening up these rules and

giving the Embassies the rules to follow word for word.

My boy will be 2yrs old in March

I agree that there are only two methods in which to 'aquire' fatherhood for a Thai child, the easiest is just to marry the childs mother, & the 2nd is to apply to the Family Court for a Judge to decide. To cut to the 'chase', I do intend to marry the mother in the nearest future, but I need to do a few things before that will happen, as we 'all' know once married everything either of us aquire is owned 50/50.

So my 1st objective will be to create a company, & as I can only own 49% of said company, the other 51% will be divided up between 6-7 different Thai's that DON'T know each other (key point), this gives me control of the company, once created the 'company' will buy land & some vehical's in the company name.

With these objectives obtained I am more than willing to marry my sweetheart, & thus gain fatherhood for my son

I assume you are under 50

I turn 50 in January, so I will get this 2 month TR Visa extended for a further 30 days at Immigration, then get one more TR Visa after that before applying for a 12 month Retirement Visa

I have just been to the Thai Embassy in London UK only to be informed that I am no longer entitled to get a 3 month Non-Imm O Visa because I have a Thai child, so they suggested I get a 2 month Tourist Visa instead which I reluctantly accepted, they informed me I could only get the Non-Imm O Visa if I was married to the mother of our child, so I 'calmly' informed them that if I was married to my partner I would be applying for a 12 month Visa, not a puny 3 month one....go figure!!!!

I would like to offer a couple of 'useful' passport tip for those that care, IO's don't really care which empty page they using, but we as the owners like to keep our stamps/Visa's in some kind of date order. So when you aquire a new passport divide each page up with 'faint' lines into eight sperate boxes, this gives the IO's a 'target area' in which to place the smaller border stamps instead of them just stamping where they see fit. Next, before exiting a country staple all the back pages together leaving just the next two/three pages available for the IO to use for your new Visa. I have never had any problems in doing these tips, & it helps keep my stamps/Visa's in date order, I hope this helps some people, good luck

What was 'the blunt instrument'

Her Strap-on....he's probably been <deleted> her in the a$$ for years, and as we know Karma does come around eventually, pay-back's can be a biatch (especially if you don't use any KY Jelly)

Not sure that being the biological parent is required for legitimization at the amphur.

So how can he "declare he is the father of the child"?

That said, unless he can prove he is the biological father, I believe the major sticking point is going to be the age of the Adoptive, unrelated, "father" with reference to the age of the child.

Patrick

You really are a sad little man, trying to pi$$ on someone else's party, get a life <deleted>....

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Yet another 'quality' tourist I see

I was also at Vientiane on last Monday for my Non-O Visa, I arrived about 11:10am & got #486, was all done at about 2:30pm ish. Got back to the Thai Consular Office at 10:45am the next day to be #1 in the que to collect my Visa, easy peasy lemon sqeezy

How on earth can this hospital justify a bill of almost a million Baht in less that a week. He is parlayed so it is not like they have performed cutting edge open hear surgery. Flying Dick Turpin not Flying doctor.

£40,000 equals about 2 million Baht.....

just say your canadian end of..everyone likes them....or wear a t-shirt in thai saying your a mute...

Problem with that is that usually they think Canadians are Americans.

Are we back to selling canadian flags for Americans to wear

Point of fact: Canada is in the continent of North America, thus making ALL Canadians (and Mexican's) North American's....

1. It is a Thais culture. (Normal for Thais)

2. It will show your stable life.(your back ground)

3. It can be guarantee for your future wife's family.(make sure you can look after their daughter)

4. It shows how much value of your future wife.(her basic life and job)

5. For the face if your future wife's family rich. (social life)

:-)

Sin Sod is NOT a Thai culture, it has been adopted from Chinese tradition, just because YOU are Thai do not try to con the rest of us farang....

I learnt about this from the Sunday Times.

So did he . . . . probably.

He said he had to go all the way to Harvard....

WRONG!!!! READ the WHOLE article before commenting please....

"Thiravat said that he had learned about this from Prof Dr Michael V Callahan of the Harvard Medical School when he visited Thailand in September"