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Come on Bob. Unlike in Monte Carlo or Geneva, this chap had plenty of opportunities, in the delightful Nana area, to purchase a garishly coloured di1do and literally 'put a plug in it' until he could find a more suitable venue for relief. Although on Monte Carlo - As I walk along, in Soi Nana With an independent air You can hear the girls declare "He must be a Millionaire." You can hear them sigh and wish to die, You can see them wink the other eye At the man who took a dump in Monte Carlo who cares, I gotta go.

You can bet that governments will start to tax EV users more aggressively to make up for lost fuel taxes. The advance of tech will make things like road use pricing much easier to implement. As EV adoption ticks up, the subsidised incentives to own are going to evaporate faster than water on a Bangkok pavement in April (bringing this back to EVs in Thailand).

Marketing? Building brand value and loyalty? I doubt it's costing them anything. In fact, they're probably going to make some money because I suspect the electricity costs them less than THB 4, and some BYD owners who might otherwise go to PTT or wherever might take the time and effort to go and use a Rever charger to save a massive 50 baht or whatever. The same folk who won't pay THB 40 to use the tollway. When I renewed my ICE insurance last year Bangkok Insurance 'gave' me THB 2000 in PTT fuel vouchers.

Just got this text from BYD (my translation from the Thai): "This Songkran BYD asks to be part of your travels by bringing EV charging at a special price of THB 4/unit starting from 1800 on 11 April until 0800 on 22 April at Rever chargers nationwide. See more at https://www.reverautomotive.com" สงกรานต์นี้ BYD ขอเป็นส่วนหนึ่งในการเดินทางของคุณ ร่วมเติมไฟให้การชาร์จ EV ราคาพิเศษ 4 บาท/หน่วย เริ่ม 11 เม.ย. 67 เวลา 18.00 ถึง 22 เม.ย. 67 เวลา 08.00 ที่เรเว่ชาร์จเจอร์ทั่วประเทศ ดูเพิ่มเติมที่ https://www.reverautomotive.com

Impact of Bangkok traffic and summer heat on Atto 3 range: negligible in the real world, at least based on my experience owning one since Jan 2023. Not very scientific, but when I got it, my daughter sat in it for an hour one night with friends with the a/c on and streaming music to car via Spotify, and battery went down 1%. Running the a/c really doesn't make much difference. Mind you, the Atto 3 a/c isn't particular effective at rapid cooling. Bangkok traffic and and aircon impact on my other (ICE) car: get as little as 3 km/l sometimes ...

Speed kills, but luckily 😉 no lives were lost and only the EV's range was killed at m highway speed. The above 420 km range is reduced to 163 km at a constant 120 km/h. Both the Atto 3 and Seal 🦭 take a massive +60% reduction in range at speed. Not sure if the ORA funky cat is the same model as the good cat, but it is doing surprisingly well for it's fairly poor aerodynamic. I must have got an extra special Atto then, because I get at least 300 km range at 120 kmh (+), BKK-Jomtien on a regular basis on Highway 7. The 'real time' power usage goes up to around 18-20 kw/100 km. Where were those tests done? In the Arctic?

What's happened to the mysterious OP? Still waiting for him/her to let us all know how long he/she has bene here, and whether he/she speaks any Thai etc.

Come now, surely you can see that 'online persona' may be completely distinct from actual persona? Even if not, it's like seeing some fat sweaty bloke in a stained T-Shirt and flip flops, thinking "what a loser", and then finding out he's a tech billionaire or whatever.

Don't need to speak good Thai to pass current 'test' for either, though.

Off topic but: thing is, SOME people are of interest to foreign governments.

How long have you been here? How's YOUR Thai?

950K for the Extended Range Atto 3 (1.2M at launch in Nov 2022) is a bargain. If you brought in USD to buy it, right now would cost just a hair over USD 26,000. I bought in USD (in Oct 2022, because it hit 37 briefly) to buy mine and equivalent was about USD 32,500. They must be trying to clear stock and build sales numbers. Be interesting to see what the 'normal' pricing for the 2024 Atto 3 model will be. As ever, early adopters pay the price. It's a pretty daft situation when (on paper) it makes sense to total your car, collect the insurance (960K total loss value - payout based on pre-discount pricing) and then use funds to buy a new one and have some money left over for a coffee or two! Not that I'm advocating this, of course.

Jeez - a lot of embracing going on.

Why? Virtually every locomotive in the US is powered this way as are many/most newer luxury yachts. You would get the performance of an electric motor, and the convenience and range of an ICE. Those are completely different usage scenarios. Diesel-electric locomotives need massive torque delivered very incrementally to move thousands of tons of train from a stop. Generating electricity from an onboard diesel makes a lot of sense in that application. Yachts - do you mean that these are boats with electric propulsion driven by a diesel generator, or where the ICE component is just there to charge a battery system (like diesel-electric subs). Still baffles me why anyone would buy a car that has an ICE that can't actually directly move said vehicle.

There's always the Nissan Kicks - an electric car that gets its electric power from a petrol engine that only generates electric power. This is a concept that baffles me.

I'd have thought you'd be well over 220 at nearly 6,000 rpm. What's wrong!

Why is this law only 'abused' by people you say - or insist can only be - people who 'object' to it? It's impossible that supporters of the law won't abuse it? Of course it isn't. It's open to abuse by all and sundry, depending on their motivations.

Spot on - let's prosecute them all! The bigots on both sides. Thought crime legislation is just the ticket for fostering inclusivity and social harmony. Not. It may be pedant's corner, but English spelling was certainly not standardised until the C19/20, thanks to the introduction of state mandated schooling in the late C19th. The printing press helped a great deal in standardising much spellingfrom the C16th onwards, but mass literacy is a comparatively recent phenomenon. And nowadays, with so much communication being by app, spelling is often all over the shop anyway. Under this ridiculous new law, it's probably a hate crime to criticise someone's spelling ability, in case they are 'neuro-diverse' in some way or whatever. So spelling standards slip and language over-simplifies to be 'more inclusive'.

Hear, hear! Oh - you mean the people who complained about the FM. I thought you meant the people complaining that they've had 'unkind' things said to them, or heard them said to someone else. Vexatious complaints about wildly misrepresented occurrences cuts both ways and is exactly why this sort of legislation is so dangerous.

Thanks for posting. You indeed can't make this <deleted> up. What I find particularly disturbing is the vast network of official 'Third Party Reporting Centres' where you can dob someone in. "I'm just off down the chippy ma, oh, and I'll drop by the British Deaf Association on the way to dob in Mr McGregor for calling me a fat <deleted>. Mind you I'll have to speak up a bit". There are an astonishing 94 - yes, 94 - such 'centres' in Greater Glasgow alone. WTF. Third Party Reporting Centres You can find your local Hate Crime Third Party Reporting Centre in the relevant document for your area below. Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire and Moray Ayrshire Dundee, Angus, Perth and Kinross Highlands and Islands Fife Forth Valley Edinburgh Lothian and Borders Greater Glasgow Lanarkshire Argyll & Bute and West Dunbartonshire Renfrewshire and Inverclyde Dumfries and Galloway https://www.scotland.police.uk/contact-us/reporting-hate-crime/third-party-reporting-centres/

I think you'll find JonnyF was spelling the word the way it was pronounced by the FM. Maybe that, though, is a hate crime: highlighting a regional accent. You can report it at the local sex shop or a fish processing factory if you like.

Tweeting this constitutes a Non Crime Hate Incident: “Choosing to identify as ‘non-binary’ is as valid as choosing to identify as a cat. I’m not sure governments should be spending time on action plans for either.” "Even if the police decide to take no action, they may register the report as a “hate incident”, not considered a crime. This has already occurred to an MSP, Murdo Fraser, who stated on social media that: “Choosing to identify as ‘non-binary’ is as valid as choosing to identify as a cat. I’m not sure governments should be spending time on action plans for either.” The police have defended the recording of hate incidents, saying it helps them “monitor tensions within communities, enabling appropriate police responses”. But is that their job? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/01/scotland-hate-crime-law-public-debate The police would be better served in seeking to “monitor tensions within communities, enabling appropriate police responses” by, er, actually walking the beat and engaging with people directly. Barmy.

Luckily the Scottish police arranged online training (a 2-hour bore-a-thon) so that officers are well-equipped to identify 'hate crime' under this ridiculous law. Police Scotland’s officers will investigate actors and comedians if a complaint is made under new hate crime laws. Training, obtained by The Herald, states that material regarded as “threatening and abusive” under the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) can be communicated “through public performance of a play.” https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24194006.police-scotland-hate-crime-training-leaked/ It's all Orwellian in the truest sense of the word.

The point is surely that if you are down to 50 km range in an ICE, there are filling stations everywhere and it takes 5 mins to fill the tank. The speed at which a car gets filled with petrol doesn't vary very much. If you're down to 50 km range in an EV, it can take some planning to find an available fast charger and 45-60 mins to charge to 100% (especially when the high speed 150 kw or whatever chargers share that 150 kw among however many cars are plugged in, so could be you get a much lower charging rate). None of this matters if you don't need to make an immediate longer journey, of course, but it's still an area where I think EVs fall behind ICE. That may of course change with newer battery and charging tech. EV depreciation is also untested waters in Thailand. But logic says why would someone want to buy an EV with, say, a 5-year old battery? Nothing to do with whether it doesn't hold charge as well as when new - much more to do with 'today's 60 kwh / 90 kw max charge rate' battery will likely, in 5 years, be as outdated as a 5-year old laptop or phone. They all still work fine, but the spec on new has advanced massively. In comparison, a 5-year old IC engine won't be massively improved upon by whatever is available 5 years from now. So today's EVs will likely depreciate way more than an equivalent ICE. May matter to some people. Don't get me wrong - I bought an Atto 3 the first day they went on sale and am very happy with it after 15 months of ownership. Fantastic for urban use if you have a home charger. But I still believe while EVs massively outperform ICE in some applications, they still don't do that as far as 'ease of filling up' is concerned.

Going to have to disagree with the 'appears intelligent'. The PM also forgets to mention that it will take years to build and open the billion-dollar plus Integrated Resorts they have in mind, so 'the economy' won't get any benefit for years. The proposed tax rates are actually competitive but it's years away. Plus they want one mega-project in each region.