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As I said - it is a matter of pluses and minuses, but most people eat bread with fat of some sort (mayo, butter, etc.). However, many people don't have your pluses and it bites them on their big fat *ss. in America 42%+ are considered obese. Oh and those BMI charts, I learned early on how bad they can be - as it does not take into account body type.... When I was not running 10km a day and very low BMI (long time ago - knees won't allow me to do that) the chart itself would tell me that I was 'just under being obese' but the caliper would give me a more reasonable estimation. Obesity is rising around the world... and yet many people are eating or doing the wrong thing and blaming it on slow metabolic issues beyond their control... for the most part it is BS. It is as simple as calories in vs calories out and making sure you have enough of what your body needs so you don't get issues with cravings. Then they decide to lose weight and starve themselves, triggering your body into reacting to sedentary starvation and it starts to conserve and ready their body for bad times by ejecting 'unused' heavy body mass (muscle, muscle is heavier than fat so it is first to go)... which when they return to a normal diet means that they don't require the same calories and the cycle getting worse and worse. Japanese are taught from their early years (lived for many years with a very Japanese woman) to innately know and create meals that are nutritionally balanced and reasonably sized. When you grow older, they switch to a omayagy (forget - vague recollection) diet... what it means is it is 'old persons' diet - which reduces the oils and fats and is more based on things like steaming vegetables etc. In the west we have no such widely understood concepts taught to us when we are young. Being aware of where you get worthless calories, being aware of the tradeoffs... and not just brushing peoples issues off with things that they cannot control... Understanding that will help people not to become big butterball turkeys which in dire times will be great help in the soylent green factories... A good start for most people is waking up and starting with a long walk (hour or two - which I do - usually use the market that is around 4.5km away and back). The largest muscles in your body are your leg muscles and even very light exercise such as walking will use those muscles... and larger muscles burn more calories. Many people are not aware that most western sauces are packed with fat... it is what makes them taste great... other foods that are high in calories and low on nutrition..

'I' do this and are in perfect health... sounds similar to people basing their lifestyle on the guy that smokes to 100 years of age and is fine... There will always be statistical outliers (both good and bad habits etc.). In the end it comes down to pluses and minuses... and good and not so good. Bread is not bad in moderation, but it is high in calories (and is usually served with a fat which is high in calories) with little nutritional value, relatively low in fiber, higher in calories - and is not that filling in itself and spikes your blood sugar... Which leads to people tend to over indulging in bread - which if/and in combination with a relatively sedentary lifestyle -- is definitely on the minus side. Basically, it sounds a lot like desert... empty calories of little nutritional value.

It is safe... until it is not.... you are walking around a city that has a lot of people that have a hard time making a daily wage... and many that are downright desperate at times... and of course your common criminals looking for an opportunity... It is advertising that you might basically be worth the risk...

Sounds like the long pork population is growing... 🤪🤣

I thought that was one of Subway's mystery meats...

G.R. would be banned from Kitchens in Thailand... Cooking Thai food with olive oil 🤪

oh... drool... hamburgers... now those are sandwiches worth making room for .... (when I am back home visiting my parents, my father asks if I want a steak, and I am the one saying ... I prefer mine as a hamburger 🤣 )

what the heck is low fat mayo.... mayo is 95% oil.... what do they use instead of oil? It is literally one egg for each cup of oil... (with maybe a splash of lemon).

I have no problem with vegans and vegetarians to be honest (I tend to eat vegetarians with most meals), but then they should be honest about that and not try to make fake meat out of lots of additives and unknown ingredients - as those are not likely healthy options either. I however, humans are biologically omnivores... and that means we need the nutrition from meat based sources (eggs are unborn children, milk is from animal slavery, etc. 🤣) as well - though it can be worked around by taking things like B12 supplements.

I am but one person eating bread, and I would eat too much of it if I buy a loaf of bread or make it... Making it I would have too much bread, just reasonable quality - which would mean I would tend to eat more of it. I do however make bread when I go back to visit my parents. With dried pasta, I can make sure I only have enough to eat within proper dietary requirements since I weight it rather than guess at it. With rice, I can make portions of rice and freeze them for 'instant rice' - which are also weighed to make sure there is not an over abundance of it. Potatoes I don't have a problem with... since I don't eat them (well unless they are fried and that is rare). But with these starchy foods, we tend to over-eat them since they are not filling based on dietary requirements, which means we eat more of those than we should. Vegetables are not the most filling, but they are more a good source of nutrition and if you don't over indulge in western sauces, butter, or oil (steaming or blanching more often is good).... can be eaten in abundance. Protein is higher in calories, but it also is filling (especially if you don't eat too quickly - but give your digestive system a chance to register that you have eaten it - 20+ minutes)... but should be of reasonable portions. Now, I do love a good sandwich, but I don't make it a part of my regular diet... because sandwiches in volume are not part of a good diet. Simply put, if you are worried about the filling in a sandwich - you probably have a pretty crappy diet. Fat and salt are both flavour enhancers when used appropriately - in a balanced diet.

Now take away one slice of bread... and use real bread... and it will be a more healthy option. (I would make my own bread, but then there is way too much bread - so I rarely eat bread...).

Healthy part - is not eating 2+ sandwiches (or eating sandwiches often)... Havarti - the most 'expensive' part is around 70 calories per slice... A single slice of 'sandwich' 'bread' is 80 calories, tablespoon of butter is 100+ calories.... And a sandwich is not generally the most filling... basically the premise is wrong that somehow only worrying about the filling is going to suddenly make it healthy. Healthy is focusing on the overall diet, not just the filling in a sandwich. Also a good walk after eating the sandwich would not hurt.

Please don't spam these discussion threads...

or pad grapow...

but not overcooked... so steaming, blanching, stir-frying it

If I remember right, the unsalted butter (which was called for in baking) use to be the better quality product (salt being added as a preservative - prior to refrigeration being common)... now a days it is the same quality just with or without salt. Salt of course is a flavour enhancer... so adding salt somewhere along the line was needed to improve taste.

My parents were holdouts for butter - when many were going with margarine as the healthy option... then it turning out that margarine everyone was eating was loaded with trans-fatty-acids (TFA) due to hydrogenating oil to make it. And TFAs turned out to be much much much worse as an option.

Yeah, I bought some Coles butter when it was on sale... not again - I get the feeling they add water to it. (it melts weird). It is funny going back to visit my parents and opening up the freezer that hold's their butter reserve... last time I was there they had close to 50lb of butter in there and they were still adding to it everytime there was a discount on what they buy.

American white bread is not really bread...

lard from frying salt pork - that is the best option according to my grandfather... though... he was dead before I was born 🤣

Typical recipe of mayo is: 1 egg, a couple tablespoons of various things like vinegar, lemon juice, etc.... and 1 CUP of oil... basically Mayo is 95%+ OIL... and one teaspoon of highly processed oil is around 100ish calories... Cheese is more like 25% to 33% fat content... so cheese is much better than mayo.... Not particularly the most healthy part of a sandwich, but then it all comes down to your entire diet and eating in moderation.

There was a question in my head when I heard making sandwich more healthy - was... what type of bread is being used, how much bread are you eating in your sandwich(es)... what type of spread are you putting on, are you adding extra salt (which if you are worried about salt in ham - would be strange)... What type of ham are you worried about, etc. In the end it comes down to not just the filling, but the entire package... Are worried about having one sandwich every once in a while... or is it your go-to meal...

I have been known to make a grilled chicken, brown sauce, havarti, and tomato sandwich.

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Post says more about you than her... You are obviously a person of immense honour and grace /s