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Indeed, why should the country forgive those who broke the law just to make those who broke the law happy.

That the law breakers and their supporters are willing to break the law again if they don't get their way should make it even more imperative that justice is done and is seen to be done.

But Hay, isn't that what the amnesty bill was all about, forgive the law breakers to make them happy ?

Didn't work then and wont work again.

Read a little on Nelson Mandela's response to apartheid with South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Council.

Sometimes it's better not to let the future be held hostage by the past.

Let us also not forget who benefits the most from any amnesty agreement. One side would get amnesty for what amounts to a single, dubious real estate conviction whilst the other for three treasonous coups and the slaughter of nearly 100 innocent citizens.

And you deliberately didn't mention the nearly 3,000 Thais gunned down by the police with no process. All supervised and pushed by your idol. Selective memory syndrome.

I assume by the 3,000 gunned down you are talking about the drug war.

It's interesting reading to see how that particular war came about, who pushed for it and who thought the price paid in lost lives was worthwhile.

Do a little research, it'll help you out with your selective ignorance syndrome.

As of right now there is one, solitary blemish on Thaksin's criminal record and it is the most idiotic and ridiculous conviction that would not stand up in any impartial, independent and just court.

Paying 10% above market value for a piece of land in a public auction.

Your list is worthless, plagiarised ( The Law is an Ass-et. Coups, Law and Corruption Cases ) garbage.

Propaganda that only the most anal and farcical ass-clown could read, believe and then excrete as fact.

(BTW - the list is also 6 years old and the conviction count still stands at 1- this fact in itself shows the worthlessness of the allegations and accusations contained within.)

"Your list is worthless, plagiarized"

Thank you again for highlighting that the PTP dismiss charges as worthless when it does not suit their agenda. You inadvertently defended my argument. Thanks again.

How could anyone argue against such brilliance.

You are truly a rhetorical and dialectical giant, making dwarves of us all.

One query though, the 6 years with no further convictions thing - sort of screams out worthless, does it not?

When you consider who is in the sample group, 54% is a very low level of support.

This group is usually up around the 93.3% mark for any and all subject matters.

(I'm also very curious as to where this Community Happiness Association mob is getting their funding from, though I do have my suspicions)

Indeed, why should the country forgive those who broke the law just to make those who broke the law happy.

That the law breakers and their supporters are willing to break the law again if they don't get their way should make it even more imperative that justice is done and is seen to be done.

But Hay, isn't that what the amnesty bill was all about, forgive the law breakers to make them happy ?

Didn't work then and wont work again.

Read a little on Nelson Mandela's response to apartheid with South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Council.

Sometimes it's better not to let the future be held hostage by the past.

Let us also not forget who benefits the most from any amnesty agreement. One side would get amnesty for what amounts to a single, dubious real estate conviction whilst the other for three treasonous coups and the slaughter of nearly 100 innocent citizens.

Another post from the Thaksin PR department.

You forgot to mention the 25,000 + cases of corruption that would have been forgiven or Thaksins 15 criminal cases that still are waiting for his return, then, as you note, all the deaths, injuries and destruction from the riots he instigated and funded.

Those who burnt Govt buildings, were caught with weapons of war, the men in black, those who fired the grenades which killed the army officer and the lady in the sky train station.

The red leaders who emerged from the riots as multi millionaires and PT MP's as reward for their urging their followers to violence and arson.

Those people that are still in jail because they were ignored by the PT Govt while in office, refusing to help them.

Then there is the rice pledging, those already convicted of corruption would have been forgiven and no more investigation would have taken place, we would have never known how much rice was stolen, disappeared, gone bad, we would never have known about the fake G2G deals that have already resulted in a conviction for "A close aid of Thaksin".

Corruption within the tablet scheme, the futsal courts, the list goes on.

And you try to compare with an amnesty for Abhisit and Suthep something they did not want and objected strenuously against, something which would not have been an amnesty but would have robbed them of an opportunity to clear their names.

Sometimes it's better not to let the future be held hostage by the past.

From Mr Mandela:

"Great anger and violence can never build a nation. We are striving to proceed in a manner and towards a result, which will ensure that all our people, both black and white, emerge as victors.” (Speech to European Parliament, 1990)

“Without democracy there cannot be peace.” (South Africa, May 9, 1992)

Indeed, why should the country forgive those who broke the law just to make those who broke the law happy.

That the law breakers and their supporters are willing to break the law again if they don't get their way should make it even more imperative that justice is done and is seen to be done.

But Hay, isn't that what the amnesty bill was all about, forgive the law breakers to make them happy ?

Didn't work then and wont work again.

Read a little on Nelson Mandela's response to apartheid with South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Council.

Sometimes it's better not to let the future be held hostage by the past.

Let us also not forget who benefits the most from any amnesty agreement. One side would get amnesty for what amounts to a single, dubious real estate conviction whilst the other for three treasonous coups and the slaughter of nearly 100 innocent citizens.

hyperbole much? Lmao

Much?

In fact none at all!

1. Hyperbole (/haɪˈpɜrbəliː/ hy-PUR-bə-lee; Greek: ὑπερβολή hyperbolē, "exaggeration") is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.

Thailand literally needs to follow the truth and reconciliation path if they are to have any sort of functioning government and the Yellow side literally benefit a hell of a lot more from any sort of amnesty than the Reds do.

On the face of it you appear to be the perfect voter, a true cynic. No expectations of honesty, accountability, performance or value for money. At what point would you complain about the loss of tax payer funds, when it's all gone, 50% gone or never, just write it off as "that's what governments do", unbelievable. I expect your personal slogan would be " The government can piss away all the money there is and leave the treasury bare. I pledge to never complain".

Apparently ramrod, being democratically elected gives any government a license to squander.

Being a democratically elected government gives that government the right to implement the policies it took to the election.

The size of the mandate given will determine the amount of compromise that government will have to make to get its policies through parliament.

The root cause here is that the Democrats are so woeful, they lose by so much and don't even bother trying to improve because they just rely on boycotting elections and military of judicial coups to get into power.

How many elections must Abhisit lose before they realise he's not the man to take the Democrats forward?

You want a government with more accountability, tell the Democrats to lift their game, stop cheating, take the role of parliamentary opposition seriously and develop a decent set of policies that, should the PTP falter or "piss away all the money", the public will see as a viable alternative and so elect the Democrats.

Coup after coup does nothing other than retard Thailand's political development.

Here is an example of how the Dems "cheating" policies have worked in the past. They came into power after the financial crisis of 1997 which was mainly caused by the reckless policies of the Banharn & Chavalit governments especially when they embarked on a course of action to defend the Baht against the currency traders. A certain person in exile was very close to Chavalit & he along with others surely benefited to the tune of a huge amount of money by buying USD before the devaluation. The Dems were left with an empty kitty but put policies in place to quickly repay the loan to the IMF most of which was done during their administration. When Mr T came to power he made the final payment on the loan & claimed full credit for lifting the country out of the financial mess.

The wonderful administration of PM Chuan Leekpai of which you speak......

A little bit of wiki:

Chuan's government found itself plagued with corruption scandals and rumors.

Key cases of corruption included:

• Rakkiat Sukhthana, Health Minister, was charged with taking a five million THB (125,000 USD) bribe from a drug firm and forcing state hospitals to buy medicine at exorbitant prices. After being found guilty, he jumped bail and went into hiding.
• Suthep Thaugsuban, Minister of Transport and Communications, whose brokering of illegal land deals caused the fall of the Chuan 1 government, was linked to abuse of funds in setting up a co-operative in his southern province of Surat Thani.
• The "edible fence" seed scandal, in which massive overpricing of seeds distributed to rural areas happened. The Deputy Minister of Agriculture was forced to resign.
• The Salween logging scandal, where up to 20,000 logs were felled illegally in the Salween forest in Mae Hong Son. Some of them turned up in the compound of the Democrat party’s office in Phichit province.
• Sanan Kajornprasart, Interior Minister, as well as 8 other cabinet ministers were found to have understated their declared assets. Sanan was later barred by the Constitution Court from politics for 5 years.
• Chuan himself was found by the National Counter-Corruption Commission to have undeclared shareholdings in a rural cooperative.

Chuan stepped down as the head of the Democrat Party in 2003.

On the face of it you appear to be the perfect voter, a true cynic. No expectations of honesty, accountability, performance or value for money. At what point would you complain about the loss of tax payer funds, when it's all gone, 50% gone or never, just write it off as "that's what governments do", unbelievable. I expect your personal slogan would be " The government can piss away all the money there is and leave the treasury bare. I pledge to never complain".

Apparently ramrod, being democratically elected gives any government a license to squander.

Being a democratically elected government gives that government the right to implement the policies it took to the election.

The size of the mandate given will determine the amount of compromise that government will have to make to get its policies through parliament.

The root cause here is that the Democrats are so woeful, they lose by so much and don't even bother trying to improve because they just rely on boycotting elections and military of judicial coups to get into power.

How many elections must Abhisit lose before they realise he's not the man to take the Democrats forward?

You want a government with more accountability, tell the Democrats to lift their game, stop cheating, take the role of parliamentary opposition seriously and develop a decent set of policies that, should the PTP falter or "piss away all the money", the public will see as a viable alternative and so elect the Democrats.

Coup after coup does nothing other than retard Thailand's political development.

Winning an election does not mean you can cheat and break the rules (voting for others is illegal, voting on strange times is too, not letting the other party have their say) These were some of the many things the PTP did. They broke the law.. got the country close to civil war (not only in the south). They would be still in power if they had not try to get their criminal leader off, and in the process of that they shafted many low key redshirts still in prison. But hey.. they are good to keep in jail to keep the masses angry besides Taksin is what its all about.

Also if you don't budget for a rice program (saying its cost neutral) and your budget is already stretched to the max deficit your doing things wrong. Then when others (international organisations and local ones (everyone with a brain)) tell you its not going to work they get bullied and threatened.

All in all if PTP plays by the rules then they can't get deposed. So let them up their game and dump that criminal they see as a leader.

How on earth did the Greek enter the Kingdom without a passport???

The border with Lao is more liquid than ice at 25 degrees Celsius.

In other words it ain't hard to come into Thailand without a passport.

Ice goes through a phase change (solid to liquid) at 0 degrees.

There is no such thing as ice at 25 degrees!

All ice, after 0 degrees, is simply called water.

Interesting finish to the article:

The charter also should make provision for the setting up of an organisation to help interpret any legal disputes, he said. "We don't need a court to do this job [like in the past]. The organisation will interpret or give advice before [disputes] happen," he said.

Sounds like he's laying the ground work for the NCPO to become a permanent fixture at the apex of Thai politics.

A (military) organisation that can step it whenever it chooses to enforce whatever it chooses - thus eliminating the need for any future coups.

BTW - "give advice" is a euphemism if ever I've heard one.

On the face of it you appear to be the perfect voter, a true cynic. No expectations of honesty, accountability, performance or value for money. At what point would you complain about the loss of tax payer funds, when it's all gone, 50% gone or never, just write it off as "that's what governments do", unbelievable. I expect your personal slogan would be " The government can piss away all the money there is and leave the treasury bare. I pledge to never complain".

Apparently ramrod, being democratically elected gives any government a license to squander.

Being a democratically elected government gives that government the right to implement the policies it took to the election.

The size of the mandate given will determine the amount of compromise that government will have to make to get its policies through parliament.

The root cause here is that the Democrats are so woeful, they lose by so much and don't even bother trying to improve because they just rely on boycotting elections and military of judicial coups to get into power.

How many elections must Abhisit lose before they realise he's not the man to take the Democrats forward?

You want a government with more accountability, tell the Democrats to lift their game, stop cheating, take the role of parliamentary opposition seriously and develop a decent set of policies that, should the PTP falter or "piss away all the money", the public will see as a viable alternative and so elect the Democrats.

Coup after coup does nothing other than retard Thailand's political development.

Why does he play these silly games? Just a few weeks ago he was still talking up growth prospects and everyone knew the figures were nonsense. All he had to do then was do what every incoming govt in the world does: blame the outgoing govt for the "inherited fiscal disaster". Happening in Australia even 12 months after the election, will be very evident now the US mid-terms are over, it's SOP.

They can't be blamed for this lousy economy...yet..But they can be blamed for creating false expectations in the face of overwhelming evidence of a very poor economic climate.

Pridiyathorn Devakula is doing his best in a difficult situation. At least he has integrity... something conspicuously lacking in his predecessors.

Pridiyathorn is the gift that keeps on giving!

This man is renowned for two things:

1. Introducing capital controls that caused the SET to crash destroying $20 billion of market value in one day.

2. As Bank of Thailand governor he oversaw and then defended the sale of a certain piece of land to a certain Mrs Thaksin Shinawatra.

my wife and her family who are devout red shirt supporters now give 100% to Gen Prayut and say he will give Thailand the constitution it needs

Guess the Junta won't need issue a summons to boost her understanding then, she's already there.

Another 3 - 4 million converts like this and they may just about work up the courage to hold an election.

One of the main attributes of a people centred, effective charter is that it allows for an unelected PM, as was the case prior to the 1997 constitution.

Good people shouldn't be expected to go around patting babies on the head or promising ruinous popularist schemes. For 8 years Prem did a great job as a PM who was not an MP but was elected by Parliament several times after elections. That mechanism kept the army in its barracks during the 80s (apart from two failed coups by the Young Turks that went unpunished).

Oh yeah, the good old days.

Military officers and bureaucrats with no accountability to the people.

Prem's 8 years inextricably led to the Black May massacre in 1992

The Prem regime is the role model for many elite political architects. He is a former Army commander who was “invited” by political parties and elected politicians to take the premiership after elections during the 1980s. To that extent, political parties and politicians were only minor parts of the arrangement. They were furniture, rather than the structure of the country’s administration.

Thailand was then mostly run by military officers and bureaucrats. The prime minister had no accountability to the people. His power was supported by the military. Prem faced challenges from young officers and two coup attempts, rather than lawmakers in the House of Representatives. He never gave a damn about the politicians in Parliament. They would create no trouble for his government as long as they were allowed to join the Cabinet.

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Why wouldn't he support the current government, all their policies to date are clones of Thaksin's.

Give us some information to this effect.

Here's one.

Thaksin Thinks, Prayuth Acts - Asia and the Pacific

Enjoy.

There's plenty more.

Which is the greater crime?

A - Legally attempting to alter 1 section of the constitution in parliament.

B - Throwing out the entire constitution at gunpoint.

C. Squandering a trillion Baht on a rice scam to try and buy your way back to the top?

Yet another one avoiding answering a simple question.

A or B

It's easy, try it.

So is spelling.

Hint: copying and pasting is even easier.

I'll say it for you.

B - throwing out the entire constitution at gunpoint.

Rest easy now my friend, no more need to concoct excuses to avoid answering the ever so simple question.

Yingluck was an awesome PM.

She is awesome now.

She will be awesome when she returns as PM in 2016.

All this rice scheme baloney is about as ridiculous as the idiotic charges filed against Thaksin, another awesome PM and before that an awesome businessman, for legally purchasing a bit of land.

Relax, sweet lady, take some rest; your country will once again need to call on your awesomeness in the near future.

Robert Amsterdam strikes again.

The Thaksin PR machine at its best, or worst.

Comrades,

I've never yet seen one, let alone a multitude, of accusations directed at a fellow posters claiming they are in fact Suthep or Abhisit or paid members of a yellow boiler room or cogs in a PR machine.

I think this small fact says an awful lot about the quality of individuals on each side of the debate.

Regards,

Robert

Propaganda colliding with reality.

The peanuts have awoken to how ridiculous the allegations are and don't want their names in the history books written about this farce.

Popular or not, someone deserves jail time, and no BAIL SO THEY CAN DO A RUNNER

Apparently he's 93.3% popular and yes he does deserve jail time.

Which is the greater crime?

A - Legally attempting to alter 1 section of the constitution in parliament.

B - Throwing out the entire constitution at gunpoint.

C. Squandering a trillion Baht on a rice scam to try and buy your way back to the top?

Yet another one avoiding answering a simple question.

A or B

It's easy, try it.

When there is no referendum the Junta are criticized.

When there is a hint of a referendum the Junta are criticized.

Might be time for some to join the reconciliation bandwagon for the good of the country.

The sad thing is though that just like the 2007 constitutional referendum that the majority wanted the result will be denounced because it does not suit a certain agenda.

That my friends will also extend to the next election if / when the PTP don't win. The result will not be recognized by the PTP and the election will be deemed rigged by the Junta.

That is the mindset of a PTP supporter.

BUT….there was never corruption in the rice scheme!!!

I'm sure it's been posted before, but here it is again

The campaigning process leading to the referendum was harshly criticised.

In an editorial, the Bangkok Post noted,

I would imagine the Shins and their businesses have quite elaborate money moving mechanisms with cash held in several countries and denominations.

There has been several instances of Shin family members traveling with large amounts of luggage, very large amounts. You would hope that outward and inward Customs Officers would be checking to ensure money and asset carrying rules were not being breached. Somehow I doubt first class VIP billionaire family members have to follow the same rules as the rest of us.

There were money trails to dear Yinggy in 2010. She made some very large unexplained cash withdrawals. Although, as usual there was no will to pursue this. the Shins would've learnt to be more careful.

Stupid no - greedy yes. And greed usually trumps intelligence which is why so many crooks get caught.

No need to imagine anything, just search for "Thaksin Ample Rich" and you'll see.

poppycock