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Getting confused with eating snakes.
When I was in Vietnam and we eat snake, they hit the cobra with bamboo sticks because they believe if the adrenalin is flowing then there is more taste in the meat when the snake is slaughtered
And it is the same with dogs and cats. They are tortured and beaten to sweeten the flavour. It's called a fact, my friend, not a confusion.
Like I said, it is called a fact by morons and sadists. Which one are you? BTW, I'm not your 'friend'. Are you speaking from personal experience (I am) or are you just repeating ignorance. Just because some people believe unscientific things doesn't make it true. It is true that people 'believe' that torture 'sweetens' the meat but it is not true that it actually 'sweetens' them meat. I typed that last part slowly so you would understand this time.
I don't believe for one moment that beating an animal sweetens the meat. My issue with you was that you seemed to be suggesting that the beating of animals by Chinese, Vietnamese etc is confined to snakes. Perhaps I should have made myself clearer. The fact I was referring to is that dogs and cats are beaten, not that beating sweetens the flavour.
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Many years ago, I got stuck behind one of these dog trucks on my motorcycle. The smell, the sight of it, it was absolutely stomach churning. The image of it stayed in my mind for weeks afterwards - and as an old livestock farmer I'm not exactly squeamish. Hell, I've castrated lambs with a pocket knife and my teeth before now.
But that truck was a different dimension. Hellish is the only adjective to describe it.
Just wait for the 'how dare we tell them what to eat', 'how dare we impose our values on them', 'I wish my soi dogs were riding on the back of that truck' comments from the less civilized members of this forum.
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I can't help thinking that the UK noticeably not the Govt are really sticking it to Thailand at the moment. Be it Social Media, daily newspapers, TV stars etc,,,, Given what's happened and is happening on that crappy little despicable island it's entirely understandable.
At least the inhabitants of that unfortunate island don't cram helpless animals into metal cages so that they break bones and die of suffocation en route to a ritual slaughter. Societies are best judged by their treatment of the less fortunate, be they animals or humans.
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If they do away with the soi-dog meat trafficking...they will need to find another way to rid Thailand of the thousands of unclaimed mutts roaming the sois or be overrun with the unruly mutts...
The soi dogs are not the source of the dog meat trade. Why would scrawny, bony creatures be sought after for human consumption. Well fed, plump dogs, family pets or more likely farm bred dogs would form the basis of this trade. Blame the Thai's ridiculous belief in karma rather than the poor animals themselves for the proliferation of these unfortunate beasts out front of your suburban homes.
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Without a doubt, Thai Visa has the most vile, ignorant, racist, self-serving, obnoxious commenters of any online website I've seen. Almost every one of you (but not all) are disgusting. I rarely read below the headlines because the comments are usually so nasty and vitriolic. One of the main problems with Thailand are the foreigners who live here, like most of the commenters. There should be a culling of them, but humanely, taken to the airport and deported. It's definitely obvious that most of you have no life, no humanity, hate Thailand and it's people, hate the customs, the food and the language. You just complain 24/7, no matter the topic. Most of you are a sad lot who talk up a mighty wind, but in all probability, do nothing to better anyone around you, your own life situation, or the country you've adopted. It's downright shameful. I'm sure you'll rail against me, but that won't change any of the facts of my comment.
omg someone is off his meds again.
You remind me of a Tom Lehrer song which he introduced somewhat like this : "Some people are intolerant, racist, nasty, and I hate people like that, I think they should all be lined up against the wall and shot"...
What a great guy, Tom Lehrer, what a brain, what a wit. I wish he would write a few comments on this Forum from time to time. He was born in 1928 and I believe he's still around.
Oh and by the way, how do you know for sure that people 'just complain 24/7, no matter the topic' if you rarely read below the headlines ?
Nah, I don't think people will 'rail against you', dude, I have a feeling they'll just say "well, this guy sure chose his ID very adequately" and move on to the next post.
I gave him a like because he is correct in his assessment of so many people who post in this forum who don't give a shit about anything other than their own lives.
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No most likely I would not show pictures of dogs in a cage, neither would I show her a man with his head blown off, someone dead on a road from a crash (popular in Thailand) or a male or female with their genitals out, so what's your point???? Clearly, some of the darker sides to human kind we find out for ourselves later in life, or would you have me show my 5 year old now?
We have a rottweiler by the way, and before you go down the what if route, it would be an utter cretin who tried to abduct him.
This thread is about cruelty not the killing of animals. You are defending the darker sides of life from which you want to shield your daughter. Torturing animals is not the same as quickly dispatching an animal that has been bred for human consumption. And do you not credit your Rottweiler with having a greater capacity to feel emotions and pain than a cow or sheep? Or is the rottweiler purely there for protection, consigned to life outdoors guarding the perimeter of your property. Didn't the photos of the dogs crammed into the baskets arouse any level of compassion within you or are you just able to accept that kind of atrocity as people exercising their right to choose how they treat the animals they choose to kill for food?
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She's five, she doesn't read TV as of yet. However, if she asked I would tell her that there are some people in the world who like to eat dog as we like to eat pork and chicken. We have had this conversation about rabbit already. Before you harp on about conditions, take a look what the good colonel does to chicken, the dogs are getting off lightly by compassion.
That's not to say in an ideal world this wouldn't happen, but who in hell said this world was ideal.
Would you show her the photos of the dogs in the truck cages crammed in like clothes in a laundry basket? I have never seen animals cramped up like this in transport cages. And dogs are not ordinary animals. Or are you going to tell lies to your daughter as it appears you will from your response? Does she have a pet dog?
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This forum has more than its fair share of low-life posters. Lamenting the plethora of stray dogs in your soi is a criticism of Thai customs and Buddhism rather than a constructive addition to the theme of this thread. Looks like the scum of the Western earth has moved east and resides complacent and callous in the suburbs of Bangkok and Thai rural towns. So many of you have brought little of moral value to your new abodes and learned next to nothing from your relocation. Indeed many of you are of less human worth than the native Thais you seek to downgrade. Our cultural heritage is worth nothing if it does not arouse within us revulsion at the sub-standard treatment of both humans and animals.
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She forgot to mention that they torture the dogs before fillet them so the meat tastes sweeter.
Only a moron or sadist would do that because the adrenaline makes the meat inedible. The same as deer and boar that that are hunted with dogs; the meat is inedible. Trapping, deer stands, boar trails can be used to gather quality, tasty game. Where I grew up in the country, hunters stopped using dogs except to flush out game birds or point out trees with squirrels and raccoons in them. I grew up lower middle-class in the country and we supplemented our larder with wild game. I have friends in Isaan that eat large ants, grubs, toads, and almost anything that moves. When you are poor, protein is protein and one can't afford to be choosy.
Getting confused with eating snakes.
When I was in Vietnam and we eat snake, they hit the cobra with bamboo sticks because they believe if the adrenalin is flowing then there is more taste in the meat when the snake is slaughtered
And it is the same with dogs and cats. They are tortured and beaten to sweeten the flavour. It's called a fact, my friend, not a confusion.
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Who cares and what the hell is Downtown Abbey?
Would anyone in Britain care if Nok Noi and Thongchai Mcintyre made a video about the treatment of rabbitsin the UK?
Good questions, as usual.
Make you wonder who is organizing something like this and for what reason?
More dogs eaten in Vietnam, China and South Korea. The latter very cruel.
The Japs are killing Whales again.
Game birds are bred and reared to be blasted out the sky in the UK. Deer are hunted in Scotland. Poaching going on all over the world, rhino and elephant slaughter in Africa etc etc.
Seems like someone or some group might be trying to keep Thailand under scrutiny for all the wrong reasons at the moment, cause as much trouble as possible for them. Paint them as the worst when they're not.
What a load of rubbish! Poor Thailand being victimised!
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People who complain about the amount of dogs in their soi should help pay for them to be neutered or humanely put to sleep and help clean up their Sois rather than just sit on the bar stool and moan about it put your money where your mouth is [ I doubt it very much ] Most dogs that go into rescues in USA/UK end up being euthanized anyway I doubt this very much all my dogs that I have in the UK come from shelters and all the ones I donate money to do not put down heathy animals, not sure about the USA possibly a country full of greedy people so just put their dogs down, but defiantly not happening in the UK we put our money where our mouths are.
Pay whom? Labour is cheap in Thailand, so I suspect many people who are bothered by snarling and potentially dangerous soi dogs would gladly pay an agency or a company a reasonable fee to have them humanely removed.
Please advise us further about this, so we can contact the people who provide this service, or you may be accused of sitting on a bar stool and unreasonably moaning about people who complain about soi dogs.
BTW, I guess your "bar stool" comment was to compromise the character of some people. If you don't like soi dogs then you must be some some degenerate alcoholic who spends the day in bar. Cheap shots at people don't make your opinion any stronger.
Isn't the fact that dogs are not "put down" here, as they are in some other countries, something to do with Buddhist beliefs?
Thai vets in my experience will not put down injured animals because of Buddhism. Doesn't seem to matter if the animal suffers pain or incredible inconvenience.
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Seriously, with all the problems in the world celebs get together to help with this???? Hardly Bob Geldof's live aid is it, could think of thousands of things that need the media attention more than this.
Thats right Jeremy, cos Ebola is never talked about is it? Or the fact Islamic lunatics are beheading innocent people in the name of their god. Oh hang on, we never hear of the Ukraine airplane anymore do we, or the one went in to the ocean, presumably.
So <deleted> has other problems around the globe to do with the fact dogs, soi or not, are being treated with huge cruelty in a land that supposedly doesn't eat their meat and is also strongly Buddhist?
I stand corrected, this is absolutely the best use of celebrity status possible. How blind of me not to see it the first time, thanks.
How would you explain a cage full of dogs about to be clubbed to death to your little daughter?
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hmm, the usual - our set of values in the West are superior to your set of values in the East. Why doesn't she speak up about the cruel treatment of cows or pigs or chickens in Britain? But then it's ok to raise those animals in mass inhumane farms, kill them and eat those animals, but just not dogs......
There is no point replying to posters like you who so totally miss the point.
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It is amazing to me that people would think of speaking out against a valid food source, yet say nothing about cruelty towards humans; child labor, child abuse, slavery of migrants. I believe that humans should be first before animals. If it means that humans eat animals to gain protein, so much the better for both animals and humans.
Read my post above about human culling. And who says the same people protesting the barbaric treatment of dogs isn't also concerned about other issues in this world!
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People eat meat. Some people eat dog meat. Why is it that people that are always going on about tolerance seem determined to force the world to adopt their ways? Next thing, they'll be going after the French for eating rabbits.
Yeh but eating dog meat is illegal, therefore there are no checks whatsoever on how they are transported to their destination.
Do you think these pics are an acceptable way to transports dogs 1000's of kms?
Anyone who thinks these pictures represent acceptable treatment of dogs needs to be culled from the human race.
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People eat meat. Some people eat dog meat. Why is it that people that are always going on about tolerance seem determined to force the world to adopt their ways? Next thing, they'll be going after the French for eating rabbits.
It's not about what people eat but how the animals are treated and killed. Why can't you get this through your thick head! The Chinese, Vietnamese and apparently Thais go out of their way to dispatch the dogs in the cruelest way possible.
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About 15 years ago when I worked for a year in Phuket after 5 years in Bangkok, I used to drink of a night time at the open air bars in Patong. I did a bit of research and investigation into the rose selling kids there. I could speak Thai and questioned the kids, then lucked one day upon the shanty town in which they lived outside of Phuket town. The group was run by a large woman who was assisted by the mothers of a couple of the kids, though the vast majority of the children had supposedly been left in the woman's care by their parents who had gone off elsewhere.
The Fagan woman bought the flowers 50 for 90 baht and the kids sold them for 10 baht each, giving her a profit of 410 baht on each bunch. The kids ranged in age from about 6 through to 15. They started work at about 6pm and worked through till 3am or when the bars closed next morning. They were then driven back to their accommodation in Phuket town. Unbelievably most attended the locally primary school in the daytime - this was part of the deal with the parents that their kids would be educated, and the Fagan woman was actually fairly strict with their attendance. The amazing part of it all, given how little sleep they had, was that the kids were able to function at school and on the job. The Patong police obviously got a cut and there were also adult protectors hovering in the background. The women in the syndicate sat out back of the open air bars preparing the flowers and restocking the kids.
There were a few Burmese kids in the group, but the vast majority of the children were Thai. The Burmese children would occasionally get picked up by the police but then be bought out by the Fagan woman. Many of the kids confessed to hating flower selling. There were also kids (teenagers) selling cigarettes who seemed to be free lancers. They claimed to be paying a monthly bribe to police of around 1000 baht during high season.
There was also a second wave of children who would descend upon Patong at 9pm. Many of these arrived on miniature motor scooters which would be parallel parked on the main drag. These were the pick pockets. Their modus opperandi was to accost foreign men on the footpath by wrapping their arms around them in a group hug. A stolen wallet would be passed quickly through the group and into the hands of one child who would secrete it on his body. I watched this occur one night then accused the boy who had finished up with the wallet. He denied having the wallet and the tourist seemed reluctant to push the issue. Besides, there were about 6 children involved, and a Thai male appeared and made it clear that my involvement was not appreciated.
About 30 minutes later walking on the same stretch of path, I was king hit from behind. When I came to my senses, I went to Patong police station to report the assault and the background to it. A policeman accompanied me back to the area where of course we failed to locate the guy who had earlier threatened me and I assumed hit me. The police also showed no interest in my claims about the pick-pocketing gang. Despite the central location of the police station, police presence in the streets was almost non-existent. The criminals were basically left to ply their trade without interference.
There was also a group of Kamen beggars who I had seen in Bangkok and Pattaya who would come down (by air con bus) to Phuket in the tourist season. The children were sent out to make the money with the woman supervising in the background. In Pattaya, Kamen children were often involved selling chiclets at the bars. The children generally knew more Thai than their parents. Child beggars in tourist areas make good money as do mums with small babies. Rarely would you see men involved in supervision or begging. I assumed they were probably somewhere drinking the proceeds of the children's labour.
As for the article, I find it hard to believe that the majority of children in the Kaosan racket are from Burma. The Burmese border is a long way from Bangkok, and I am sure that the child owners would find plenty of destitute locals willing to sell their children into the racket. The writer needs to do some serious research if she really want to get to the bottom of the exploitation of these children. She barely skims the surface of the problem and how she arrives at the figure of 500 children involved is a mystery
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Why every 2 or 3 weeks somebody comes up on this forum, crying and asking for sympathy, because the police searched them or made them have a drug test?
They should know by now this is perfectly legal, not only in Thailand but all over the world.
What is illegal in Thailand and they should put it in their thick heads, is that they shouldn't use any drugs or smokes while here.
Is this so hard to understand?
Why should people be dragged off the street for such tests? What if you are a tourist who smokes dope back in your own country and it is in your system? How can you be charged if you have no drug on your person? No wonder tourist numbers are declining. Might be legal but that doesn't make it a correct procedure.
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Ha Ha ah ha ha !
CCTV will get safety when their guards are sleeping !!!!
They have guards employed for sleeping in working time !!
Ha ha ha ha !!
In other countrys guards are fired if they sleep on working time,
you need to watch your guards by CCTV !!!
Between 4pm and 6am next morning, prisoners are together in their cells without being observed by guards or, I believe, CCTV footage of cell activity. It is not a case of guards sleeping but rather not being present at all. Without this private time, prisoners would not be able to charge or use the mobile phones that are smuggled in. Prisoners wishing to bully or victimise other prisoners can do so knowing their actions will not be observed.
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I am guessing that people who have not been drug users, do not know how to go about getting them without taking a chance on being arrested and ending up even worse off. The only way that I know is to ask a tuk-tuk driver and that ends badly for many people.
You'd be on the money with that reasoning. Even those who do take drugs come unstuck in Thailand and elsewhere, often becoming unwilling contributors to the police benevolent fund when trying to score. Thailand is probably a nightmare in which to procure drugs given how squeaky clean it has sought to become. Scoring from tuk tuk drivers would be enough to drive you to suicide. If they were your only drug source, your life would be a living death anyway.
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59 years old in a foreign country with no job, probably no money and no prospects of getting either one. It might seem like the most sensible thing to do.
RIP
I was thinking about that yesterday. Thailand attracts a lot of people most of them good people. But it does attract a lot of desperate people looking for some thing in a bottle and a women also drugs which Thailand is well known to have an ample supply of all three.
After a while they realize they are still looking and just decide to end the search for what ever. There seems to be a lot of deaths in Thailand by falls off of balconies. I just wonder if in some of those cases it is a deliberate fall with no assistance.
Just a thought
If you read the Pattaya Mail, quite a few tourists tend to die from flinging themselves off balconies. I often ask myself much the same as you - did he jump or was he pushed? Surely with some heavy duty drugs available in Cambodia or Laos, or even Thailand, why choose such a desperate method of suicide? Jumping from heights doesn't seem a great option.
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What?? Parking fee at 2:30 am??? It can't be true.
It was not a parking fee, it is a payment to look after his car so it does not get damaged, well it sounds like it did, i know it is stand over and wrong but sometimes better to pay and not have a problem and next time not to go back to the same place again.
Get a life mate! Nobody pays 40 baht to not damage your car for 5 minutes. Refusal to pay does not warrant kicking a car and belting it and the person with a lump of wood. Besides, when you pay people not to damage a parked car, you do so when you park your car not when you return to it.
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Seriously someone would hang themselves over loosing a job??
Another sad Thai ending.
Got to be more to it than just losing a job.
My money is on his lovely teeruk left him also in the process. No money, no honey, however regardless, neither losing a job or/and a GF is worth losing your life over, not even close.
RIP
At age 60 in Thailand, you are finished as a teacher.
What was he gonna do?
Just wait til ASEAN kicks in next year. Most of the current western NES school teachers, in SE Asia (especially, in last placed Thailand), will become immediately un-employed. Start saving your money NOW! You're gonna be needing it, in the (not very distant) future. A word to the wise, should be sufficient.
Can you explain this in more detail. Why will ASEAN cause teachers unemployment?
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wow... He must have had some seriously bad stuff going on. I'm the same age and in the last 12 months we lost our business due to the anti-government protests and left Thailand after 14 years. got given the big 'C' diagnosis from the doctor, I'm now speaking to my wife on the phone daily rather than after work.... Nothing has made me even contemplate what this bloke has done, he must really have had some demons in his head. RIP fella
I hope your own circumstances improve. How did the anti-government protests cause you to lose your business?
We all have different capacities for handling what life throws at us. Our bodies also fall apart in different ways and in different places. Experience builds resilience in some but erodes the will of others. And some of us have more support than others when life is tough. Be understanding and compassionate.
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Dog Meat Trade in Thailand Is Under Pressure and May Be Banned
in Thailand News
Posted · Edited by Spock
I have to disagree. Animals noted for their intelligence and loyalty to man are in a different category to sheep, cows etc. Whales, elephants, dolphins and dogs are four such creatures. Besides, dogs are invariably cruelly killed and transported. Sheep and cattle transported to Islamic countries are also often not slaughtered in a compassionate manner. In any case, this has been discussed in another thread, and I don't think I could subject myself to the callous opinions of the same bunch of dog slaughter lovers that advocated the killing of every soi dog in Thailand or lectured the rest of us about respecting the eating habits of other cultures. Goodbye and good luck to the dog lovers among you.