halloween

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Why bother Khun Srisuwan? He is a General and from the Eastern Tiger clique. They are untouchable corrupt 'good guys'.

Doh! He is also one of the complainants.

16 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

The country is going to be rudderless for a few weeks until they can find another fortune teller to dictate policy.

 

Thai PM Prayuth says 'no harm' listening to fortune-tellers: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-politics-fortunetellers/thai-pm-prayuth-says-no-harm-listening-to-fortune-tellers-idUSKCN0HI11120140923

 

ET gets a mention, the frog-toucher denies having visited her though.

No harm but really stupid, right. Thaksin Shinawatra, the world's smartest businessman, sought her advice on several occasions.

BP 10/9/17

Diet pills/tea are a great way to separate mugs from their money. Years after Oz's own Peter Foster has been "retired" we still see slimming tea advertised.

18 hours ago, bangrak said:

They should have added that it had nothing to do with growing ultra-nationalism among lecturers, staff nor administrators. To make sure this 'toning down' is not misinterpreted... 

Has anybody else noted this " growing ultra-nationalism among lecturers, staff nor administrators." ?

Rather a different tone to the article in the BP. NGO is expanded to "environmentalist group" and also mentions public hearings where community input was positive, with the expectation of more employment.

3 hours ago, webfact said:

According to the ministry’s regulations, any use of community forest and other public land plots by the private sector is restricted to a maximum of 10 rai.

.......in each case unless there is a proper reason to extend it. The reason for granting the permit, according to Watchdog.ACT is that the company owns the surrounding land and wants to expand its plant.

1 hour ago, Khun Han said:

 

So.....I went through the entire thread up to the point of this reply by the poster in question, and found absolutely zilch by him which addressed the allegation that a DSI official has been taken off the case because he drew the conclusion that there is no case to answer. All I could find by Halloween were multiple attempts to take the thread offtopic through using the background info from the OP article to turn the thread into a one-sided political rant. Pathetic!!!

Well I'm sorry if I didn't address the aspect of the issue that concerns you, though the subject of the merit of the case was looked at.

Do you have something to say on the matter, or is the extent of your posting a complaint that I didn't?

On 9/10/2017 at 8:54 AM, rooster59 said:

Panthongtae was earlier named as the person who recieved a Bt10-million cheque from Rachada Krisadathanont of real estate developer Krisada Mahanakorn Group, which was one of the key defendants in the Krungthai Bank fraud case.

Right there.

25 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

Well thank you for replying for dear Baerboxer but Yingluck did not have the absolute power of Section 44, you conveniently forget, and did not have the power to 'make up' laws as she went along. You cannot compare an elected government with a Military Junta (although you may try).

But you can compare a corrupt politician to a policeman's killer, if you think it helps your agenda. Or at least deflect the thread from the subject, another corrupt Shinawatra.

30 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

There speaks a learned lawyer

However this is not the thread to discuss such matters

It was you that brought up a strawman argument with no relevance to Thailand. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question.

16 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

What criminal?  the verdict is on 27th or do you know something we don't?  anyway history will show her as a martyr for democracy in Thailand who had to escape the tyranny of unelected government

I'm quite sure red history will try to portray her that way. The problem is, history is written by the winners, and will reflect the idiocy (B500 billion worth) of appointing an inexperienced person to high office to act as the puppet of her criminal brother.

2 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

Parliament is sovereign

in a democracy

 

BS. And even in the democracies that have it, it is limited. It certainly doesn't apply to politicians corruptly lining their own pockets, or ordering state banks to issue loans.

11 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

have you ever heard of Parliamentary Sovereignty?

Yes, have you heard of separation of powers? which is the preferred model?

14 minutes ago, maeab101 said:

Who knows what they are training him for???

I don't think the Thai military uses suicide bombers.

21 minutes ago, JAG said:

Io

Well, if there was anyone left on this forum who held on to the belief that you had any respect for the consistently expressed will of the Thai electorate you have soundly disabused them. Put bluntly, you dislike their choice for government. They were offered the choice again, but (how dare they) again chose the side you dislike.

The two coups were successful - in your eyes - because they removed the government which the people had chosen and replaced it with one you favour!

 

That is not a solution. It has entrenched corruption, increased and formalised the abuse of the rule of law, and removed the political rights and many freedoms from the Thai people.

 

 

Of course I dislike their choice of government, almost half the population of Thailand disliked it. But like me, they abided by the choice until the corruption and waste became intolerable. Do you deny that both governments removed were corrupt?

What is abuse of the rule of law, removing corrupt politicians from power and prosecuting them, or voting to allow them to repeat their crimes?

The ballot box DOES NOT over-rule law. Get over it.

He's definitely a sick puppy.

7 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Actually, the topic is Oak's complaint that his family is being victimised, not his guilt or innocence, so it's you and the other junta apologists who are drifting way offtopic. And not a squawk from any of you about the DSI official allegedly being removed from the case for refusing to bring a prosecution on the grounds that he thinks there's no case to answer (as per the thread op).

I addressed both issues , TYVM. I directed those interested, obviously not you, to the BP article which went into detail about the decision was made. I also mentioned that the Shinawatras were known to bribe their way to influence, and as the DSI officer was removed for failing to do his job as directed, that may well be the case.

As  for family persecution, Mafia members often claim the same. This family has been heavily involved in crime for many years, one member and another's stooges are the subject of this case. Their claims of persecution might carry more weight with evidence of innocence, seriously lacking here.

5 hours ago, Reigntax said:

 

Should the Thai people respect the current self appointed government who blatantly ignore their political choice, their rights to exist and their rights of freedom just because this select group believe they are superior to the general population and were born with the inherent right to control, decide who it a suitable leader and appoint their own stooges to represent the people?

 

Yet, they have been doing the same for 70 years and still cant manage to do it sucessfully. What hope and how many chances should they have? 18?, maybe another 10 coups?

 

Worse still, there are those who support them despite their obvious total failure each time. How much weight should be given to the opinion and judgement of those who support constant failure?

But their political choice was NOT ignored, they were given the opportunity to govern until their ineptitude and corruption became unbearable. And they were given the chance to choose again, and ignored that they were voting for criminals to install those criminals to do even worse damage to the country. the last 2 coups have been quite successful, they have removed criminal conspiracies and forced their leaders to flee. Other members are either in jail or awaiting prosecution. Perhaps the serious sentences being handed down will convince criminals they are better staying away from politics.

What is worse, supporting the solution or supporting those whose greed coupled with a gormless lack of discernment cause them to disregard crime in search of a handout.

37 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You can put lipstick on the junta, they will still looks bad, conniving and will manipulate for their own benefits. That they left the door ajar purposefully is a foregone conclusion. Under such political climate when the persecution is selective, it is better to live and fight another day.

It is not a foregone conclusion because it is not supported by anything but supposition - your favourite little fantasy. You consider the prosecution selective because they are your criminals being prosecuted, but it is the evidence that proves them guilty as charged.

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Bet it was a last minute decision by the junta. They miscalculated her popularity and thought that they could get rid of the Shin influence after 3 years. They did the reverse and enhance her popularity. Prayut not exactly the sharpest tool and his cabinet of half wits. Seeing that many will descend to the court and effort to save their skins, they open the door for her last minute escape. The junta just doing what best for them. 

Whichever conspiracy you adhere to will one integral concept, the junta will look bad, incompetent or stupid. It seems much easier for you to accept than the truth, another Shinawatra criminal did a runner rather than face the consequences of their crimes.

Just now, smutcakes said:

A cursory glance at a World Bank report from 5 years ago tells me that Bangkok generates 25% of the country GDP but receives 72% of expenditure, in comparison to the Central region which contributes 44% of the GDP and receives on 7.2% of expenditure and the north east which contributes 11.5% of the GDP and receives 5.8% of the expenditure, despite having 35% of the population.

 

Seems like you and the 'people' you have been having your conversations with are grossly misinformed.

So where do you put the billions stolen by the Shinawatras, as in the topic a B9.9 billion fraud against KTB, does that go down as Issan expenditure or BKK, or overseas expenses.

When we see B900 million paid to Apichart for one 300,000t rice sale, you can see that the amounts could affect the numbers significantly.

12 minutes ago, chrisinth said:

If nobody can see the validity of this person's complaint, then I hope you never end up in a similar situation. When officials are pressured into producing results without following procedure because of threats then there is no justice. If the leaked documents are verified then an inquiry should be set in motion against 'he that thinks he has absolute power'.......................

 

Admitted this is against a particular family almost regardless of the charges but how many other times have these tactics been used either hidden behind article 44 or orders from the horse's mouth?

The first thing I would do in assessing the validity of the complaint is assess the credibility of those complaining. Yesterday's BP did an excellent article on the 3 step process that led to the decision to proceed. You should read it, as it has considerably more credibility of a rich brat whining about having to explain how proceeds of crime ended up in his, and his mother's stooges, bank accounts.

Well done. The thread has been successfully diverted from the topic. Shinawatra supporters don't like discussing a Shinawatra being prosecuted for their crimes, even less so when it is fairly clear a crime was committed..

1 minute ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Yep, that recent popularity poll which Thaksin won by an overwhelming margin to claim 'most popular PM in the last 15 years' must have really got to him. 

 

He's a dangerous sociopath is our resident frog-toucher.

 

Thaksin gone, Yingluck gone... let's now go after the son seems to be the consensus in Thai language media. This isn't going to win Prayuth any more popularity, that's for sure. What is left is ebbing away. 

 

His problem is that his government is illegitimate and any prosecution of Thaksin's son Oak, however valid, and regardless of the evidence, will always be tarnished. Just as in the cases of the siblings before him.

 

Criminals that have given themselves immunity going after other criminals. 

.......who failed to get their immunity. tough TIT.

3 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

Yes they all put their people in position of power, but one PM gets removed from office for doing it.......

 

It seems like you have accepted that the coup had zero to do with corruption, and was a plain and simple power grab by the military. Scary really how easily fooled some people are, especially as they see themselves as educated and their adversaries stupid buffalo.

 

The NCPO could grind PTP/Thaksin into the dust if they actually took steps to reform the country as they claimed they would. Instead all they will do is polarise the country further.

There are ways and means to influence. Ignoring the law to put your BIL in office as CoP so that he could refuse to protect protesters is one way.

Don't let that stop your 'poor little Yingluk, she was persecuted' claim.

As for the topic, is prosecuting a fairly clear case of receiving proceeds of crime persecution or not? Or are you from the "don't prosecute our criminals" school of reconciliation?

3 minutes ago, JAG said:

 

It doesn't, but it may feature in the eventual narrative.
We will have to wait and see.

Until then, I will apply Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation being that the criminal ran away before the verdict.