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1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

An estimated loss of about $5 billion between 2010 and 2012, so roughly 3.5% of the total budget for those years.

Estimated by whom? According to the in-depth article in yesterday's BP the accepted figure is B500 billion.

Also interesting, why do you quote your figure as a percentage of the budget when it wasn't IN the budget?

9 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

No, it is you who suspect corruption, I called it cronyism like it was, and actually deals like that do go on between old friends every day, the bribes being your embellishment to the story, all over the world old boys help each other out without want for payment, have you never done anything for a friend without receiving a cash payment?  And as there are no anti monopoly laws in Thailand, the deal he recieved, like deals CP has received along with countless others in Thailand, are all perfectly legal. Cronyism alone is in no way considered corrupt in Thailand, just ask Prayut.  Anyway, I now see that you were calling something theft that actually wasn't, it was just the monopoly, not much point in having a monopoly if you not going to milk it, but that does not equate to theft in any ones mind but the desperate to disparage.

So, kissed by the Lucky Fairy is your version. Here mate, I can see you're in debt for B50 million, here's a 20 year monopoly on the fastest growing industry in the world worth billions of dollars. Would I like to be DPM?

1 hour ago, Mansell said:

She was an elected Prime Minister ousted by a military coup, then put on trial by the same military......and would probably have been railroaded and found guilty by this same military. If it was me I would be long gone. This is not justice at all, but a lynching. Happy she left. Funny how they can put her on trial, but Red Bull boy cannot be found or put on trial, and he murdered a policeman while drunk with his Ferrari. Double standard.

You missed a bit in your time line. Yingluk was no longer PM at the time of the coup, having been dismissed for trying to stack the RTP, a Shin SOP.

" On 7 May 2014, the Constitutional Court unanimously dismissed Yingluck from office in consequence of the unconstitutional transfer of a top security officer, Thawil Pliensri, as National Security Council secretary-general in 2011. Thawil was removed from the post in September 2011, paving the way for then police chief Pol Gen Wichean to replace him. Pol Gen Priewpan Damapong, the brother of the former wife of Yingluck's brother Thaksin, succeeded Pol Gen Wichean as police chief. "  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yingluck_Shinawatra#2014_corruption_investigation

Just now, 473geo said:

I certainly hope the current government are aware that the rice farmers are currently 'eating scraps' and continue to work to remedy the situation.

So no second dog for you? How much of the low price for rice do you attribute to the selling of the stockpile you applauded being compiled?

25 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

He was born into one of the richest families in Northern Thailand, his mother a princess, his ventures while in the police all failed and left him in debt, he was later granted a monopoly on a telecommunications business from a friend in politics which become AIS and obviously was massively successful.  Sure, his success was bolstered by nepotism and cronyism, but when did he steal money from the Thai people, what are you referring to?

Well you skipped the corrupt computer contract and went straight to "granted a monopoly" like that happens every day, without corruption and bribes. Well done. Now if you accept that there was corruption involved, rather than being kissed by the Lucky Fairy, then look at the overcharging and over-pricing for handsets, you might get an idea what I am calling theft. 

Hey Yingluk, was it worth it? Was you couple of years in the spotlight worth the rest of your life in exile?

Very strange place to meet. To get there you would need a ticket for that flight and a valid visa to be given a boarding pass.

2 minutes ago, Tilacme said:

Ahhh the bliss of the unaware.

I'm glad you are happy. If you are suggesting I am wrong rather admitting you know very little but have a big opinion, why don't you try pointing out my mistakes, preferably with supporting evidence and links?

3 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

 

What evidence are we talking about. How does one prove beyond a resonable doubt that one is "negligent". 

 

Yes she might have been a lousy organizer of the rice scheme, but that is something different than facing ten years in jail for being "negligent" 

 

This is a witch hunt, nothing more and nothing less. If found guilty, no-one outside of Thailand will take the verdict seriously, no country would extradite her back to Thailand. That much is certain.

 

I have seen you posted and responded on claims that those trials are politically motivated. You seem to think that this is just an excuse used by the Shinawatras, but the way these trials have been conducted gives them this perfect excuse. It is the Thai Justice system after all, where some are tried, and others will never seen the inside of the court room because they are either connected, or have given themselves amnesty, such as the NCPO folks...

She was warned about huge mounting losses. to prove she wasn't negligent, all she has to prove is that she did something about it. all she can say is she suggested a price cut, which proves she knew of the problem, and then caved to political pressure and did NOTHING.

1 minute ago, sjaak327 said:

Oh you know the verdict already ? Did you told her to do a runner.

 

I told you before, you need to open your eyes, you are in Thailand, not Australia. 100% guilt yeah right. 100% <deleted> more like.

 

Stop the pontificating, and give me one thing she did to reduce the losses from her rice scam? There aren't any, which make the guilt and the verdict 100% sure.

43 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

"she will face a lifetime ban from politics"

 

Did the 2007 constitution have this clause ? After all she was PM under that constitution, so she should be judged using that constitution not the one "approved" last year.

 

Somehow a guilty verdict is 100% certain, they might as well just read it now.

 

 

Of course it was, and she knew that there could be no other result given her 100% guilt.

1 minute ago, mark131v said:

Nonsense this is a blatant stitch up and is politically motivated

 

They are all corrupt and I doubt a single person involved in Thai politics has anything other than self enrichment as their prime motivation but the junta are a step up from the rest

 

They have taken it to the next level by blatantly committing treason and stopping democratic process, they then have the brass neck to grant themselves a blanket amnesty and forbid anybody investigating their own misdeeds

 

Absolutely shocking but sadly unsurprising.... 

 

Which part of the evidence presented don't you believe? Or do you simply dismiss all evidence because it doesn't fit your bias?

1 minute ago, Becker said:

So in other words when you called what I wrote BS, it was BS?

Have the Shinawatras been convicted of multi-billion dollars of corruption, or is that BS? And when you admitted that the junta leader is guilty of "penny-ante" stuff, exactly how do you define penny-ante? Several hundred million Baht sure is a pretty penny-ante!

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/prayuth-on-defensive-over-familys-600-million-baht-property-sale.html

http://www.bangkokpost.com/archive/prayut-defends-land-sale/441395

If I didn't know any better I would say you are full of the stuff you were raised on (by your own admission).

You'll have to wait until next month, wont you, because she took a runner. But there Boonsong, a Shinawatra appointee, and Apichart, close Thaksin associate and highly preferred rice agent, just gone down. And there is the KTB court case waiting defendant#1 currently abroad, along with many other cases. Just BS right, nothing to do with your little tin god?

Starting to be daily events as the tempo picks up.

Have to wonder why the rush to get him to hospital.

1 minute ago, jayboy said:

If you agree King Power, CP, Thai Bev and many others  are "stealing from the Thai people" then your argument might hold.I don't agree.Truth is all have legitimate businesses with real assets and P and L accounts doing useful stuff.Same applied to Thaksin.Yes Thailand business tends to be too monopolistic and business ethics are dubious.Corruption isn't uncommon.That's not the same as stealing from the Thai people.I suggest you focus on  bureaucrats and military people who have massive assets and tiny incomes:that's stealing from the Thai people in my book.

You are trying to divert and obfuscate with "Little Johnny did it too!" argument. His deals were corrupt, he got wealthy via corruption, and at the expense of the Thai people. Put lipstick on the pig, it is still a pig. And this one STINKS, because he continued his corrupt practices after taking office by buying his way to the premiership.

Just now, tomas557 said:

 

No he didn't.

 

Everyone has to declare assets, except Prayuth and cohorts.

 

When some journalists asked some difficult questions at the time he sold the land for hundreds of millions, he warned the journalist to stop investigating.

 

All this is well documented on this forum and elsewhere

Sure. But let's get this measured to scale, are we talking the multi-billions of Shinawatra corruption or penny-ante stuff.

Yes, we are talking the same sort of crime, but getting robbed of $10 hurts a lot less than getting robbed of $10,000.

25 minutes ago, Artisi said:

TAT, can make some mileage here with a new hub,  the only country with 2 living ex-PM's in self - imposed exile.

Not sure what the hub should be called as yet - any suggestions? 

If they were just passing through I'd go for AH of the World. I suppose there is such a thing as constipation (not much in Thailand)

Just now, jayboy said:

I have no illusions about Thaksin's business ethics.Where you are in error is to have convinced yourself he isn't representative of a very common type of Sino Thai tycoon.And if you believe any dope could have exploited the opportunities as Thaksin did, you will believe anything.Of course the reason why the elites hate Thaksin is nothing to do with corruption at all - they themselves are deeply corrupt - but because he undermined their power base.

But you just claimed that the corrupt computer contract and the 20 year mobile monopoly weren't stealing from the Thai people. He was near broke before then, after he had billions of baht, so who's money ended up in his pocket?

Are you stating it's not corrupt or not theft because other's do it too (aka Little Johnny)?

Just now, Becker said:

Don't know. The junta leader has warned off anyone trying to look into the finances of himself, his family and his fellow junta members.

 

(Man, that was easy!)

So you just make up BS. Really easy.

Just now, Father Fintan Stack said:

No different from any other Thai-Chinese business deal in Thailand conducted in the last few decades.

Why don't you give us a few examples that it was "no different from"?

Oh, and few Thaksin detraction posts.

Just now, jayboy said:

Oh grow up.We all know Thaksin changed the rules to suit his interests but his ethics were no different from the Sino Thai business tycoons that backed the yellow mobs and the Junta's coup.Thaksin was at least an astute businessmen who acquired a fortune flogging mainframes to the RTP before multiplying his wealth in telecoms.But he did not steal billions from the Thai people and his wealth at least is explainable.This doesn't absolve his corruption but don't cloud the issue by silly bar talk.If you want to go after unexplained and unusual wealth there are plenty of army top brass generals to go after.

Oh yes, but you forgot to mention the details didn't you. In the contract with the RTP he was the officer assigned to write the contract specs, while his FIL was CoP. Amazingly he won the contract, where any anti-corruption measure would prevent that. Nothing corrupt there!

Then he was amazingly "given" a 20 year monopoly on Thailand's mobile phone network. With high charges and overpriced handsets, any corrupt mug could have made billions, and DID! Nothing corrupt there!

Not to his sycophants anyway.

5 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Where did I say I condoned it?

 

Try again.

 

I was one of Thaksin's biggest detractors at the time for many of his policies including this one. 

Really? What user name were you using then? Or is that Thaksin's policies AFTER August 2016?

6 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Buying things from farmers for more than they are worth happens all over the world, opposition parties may like to criticise it by calling it populism but other praise it for how it keeps the vital farmers afloat.  The EU does it in the form of subsidies, one in five of the biggest subsidies going to someone on the Times rich list.  Anyway, did Thaksin line his pockets with billions?  I recall him starting politics already a billionaire, an attempted confiscation and the courts giving him back his money that turned out to have been his all along!

You recall him starting politics already a billionaire, with money stolen from the Thai people.  Why don't you recall where those billions came from?

49 minutes ago, Tilacme said:

You are good at criticising with hindsight but you fail to understand the initial economic theory.

I am quite happy to discuss supply/demand elasticity theory with you, are you familiar with it? There are quite a few other good reasons why it wouldn't work, eg.

higher price will encourage other suppliers into the market, farmers elsewhere will grow more or switch to rice. That there are so many suppliers made this inevitable

other foods are available, and suppliers may drop prices to encourage consumers to change

many consumers are poor, with price increase they will buy less (you know, STARVE)

But you knew all that, right. Try looking at The Economist's view of the scam, BEFORE it started, no hindsight, no bias, just a suppressed giggle.

2 hours ago, Becker said:

How about answering his question instead of complaining about you Internet speed? Here, let me remind you:

 

How many billion baht did they waste/steal?