halloween

5 minutes ago, candide said:

There have been many comments in the press stating that a sentence of such a high number of years was surprising and far above the "norm" for similar crimes.

 

And now, we have a Junta's puppet openly proposing him a deal. If he denounces a "mastermind", his appeal may be successful. We all now who is targeted as mastermind, someone who's name starts by "S".  

 

Which press would that be? Voice of Thaksin, Peace TV or something similar because BP and Khaosod English certainly didn't. In fact KSE went out of their way to show the links back to Thaksin - Apichart and Siam Indica. http://www.khaosodenglish.com/featured/2017/08/25/yingluck-minister-sentenced-decades-prison/

Not sure if that link is allowed, apologies if it is not.

42 minutes ago, candide said:

Interestingly enough it is a Junta's puppet (Meechai) who states he should speak out about the "mastermind" if he wants to survive in an appeal. 

Now we understand why he received an abnormal sentence of 42 years. Nothing political about it! 

May I refer you to todays's BP. In a case involving a government employee defrauding the government of B138 million, she was given 20 years while her co-conspirators, not public officials, were given 13+ years on the same offence (State v Sorrayuth Suthassanachinda, Montha Theeradet, and   Pichapa Iamsa-ard ).

Now you wish to claim that a government MINISTER, who betrayed the trust placed in him to the tune of B20 billion, is both abnormal and political. On what grounds?

23 minutes ago, candide said:

Interestingly enough it is a Junta's puppet (Meechai) who states he should speak out about the "mastermind" if he wants to survive in an appeal. 

Now we understand why he received an abnormal sentence of 42 years. Nothing political about it! 

Your basis that the sentence, for multiple counts of major fraud, corruption and abuse of office, is abnormal is that it was political. Now you state it was political because the sentence was abnormal. Why don't you just face it, it was neither.

BTW reduction of sentence for naming other conspirators is called plea bargaining, the basis of the US justice system, and in practice, used in most countries.

56 minutes ago, jayboy said:

I don't know much (actually nothing at all!) about Boonsoong except what I have read in the press recently.But I am intrigued about the fact there is "no doubt in your mind he was paid a couple of hundred million baht" for his complicity in illegal trades.Was this reported on and was evidence provided in the trial? Or did you just make it up?

How do you live in Thailand, post about the people and their business practices, and know nothing at all about one of the biggest crimes in this country so far this century?

20 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

There is almost no doubt she was "let go". Thai airspace is highly restricted. It is some of the most restricted airspace in the world. There is less than a 1% chance she could have left without being given permission. There is less than a 1% chance she left by land. This is just not the way she rolls. She left by air, in a private jet. How many private jets are there in Thailand? And how hard is it to keep track of them? Not hard at all.

 

Also, when he claims they were not watching her, that is patently false. Of course they were. She was up on charges, for the biggest trial of the decade. The chances of them not watching her were less than zero. She was let go. It was probably decided at the highest levels, that this was the best outcome for all. And now the little man is playing the same inane game of deflection that Trump plays daily. Just say it, and a percent of the people will buy it. Well, this guy does not. And neither do most. 

 

This is one of the most disingenuous people we have seen, in a very long time. He would say absolutely anything, if he thinks it would serve his purposes. Of course they "let Yingluck flee". It was the simplest outcome for them. It was their way of avoiding complications, and there is a very good chance that someone got a very nice bonus out of the deal.

You have almost no doubt, because you discount the possibility of a land crossing simply because it beneath her status, and don't even consider how fast a private helicopter could pick up and drop her in Cambodia. Drop the provisos, and the doubt increases substantially.

4 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

Ummm... cause the supporters were planning on showing up, maybe?  It makes she left with junta assistance.  Letting her stay would have been a major headache for Prayut and Co. regardless of the verdict.  Now this is just pure speculation but a possible scenario could have been a deliberate tip-off from the powers that be informing her that she could either flee or face a hefty sentence during which she would at some point hang herself with a sock. 

Yes, I know they were planning to show up. That was the point, if she was not and the junta knew it, the more the better, all feeling betrayed, disappointed, foolish.

As for your BS speculation, it sounds like self-serving rubbish to excuse a bail-jumping criminal.

1 minute ago, Happyman58 said:

In my world if you have 1 million u want 2 million 3 million u want 4 million It just never is enough Like a disease it is

Shinawatra's disease?  No Shinawatra Syndrome sounds better.

1 minute ago, LannaGuy said:

 

Think about it !!!! ....

 

You obviously have not done much of that activity recently, so moving on...

It's not hard to like democracy and prefer the junta for what was alleged to be democracy here.

11 minutes ago, Happyman58 said:

Ok i will have a guess on who let her go. Donald Trump Am i right? He gets blamed for everything so might as well blame this on him to. But some how i think the person talking here to the media is the culprit lol Mmmmmmmm wonder how much that was worth to let her out of the country? Millions i reckon 

Why would you offer it to Prayuth who already has millions, when there are guards at the gate who don't? Who is more likely to accept?

2 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

I think he will come back soon. He will have a better life coming back and facing justice in Thailand than resigning himself to living overseas for the next decade. 

 

Anna Reese got a two year suspended term for killing a cop, he would be far better of taking his 'chances' over here and finishing this whole saga althogether rather than having it run and run. 

 

I am sure they could see that he get a suitably soft sentance, suspended, fine and community service and then move on with his life all of thia forgotten.

Hmmm, forgotten until you fill in a visa application. People have been refused for less.

1 minute ago, Becker said:

Nice to see you're still buying into that BS.

Feel free to refute any or all the facts in my post. did you bite off more than you could chew with your little one-liner?

2 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

The court also said that the judges did not know the verdict in advance, since they had not yet read their individual verdicts to each other, in order to determine the majority vote.

But that doesn't preclude someone approaching Yingluk with an offer to get advance knowledge of the verdict for a reasonable price. All they have to do is convince her that they can get it, even if they are selling BS.

Thailand is coming into the real world where those convicted wait there appeals IN jail. Boonsong is getting the message that if he wants his appeal expedited or his bail considered, he should name who ordered the scam (BP today).

Cue the conspiracy theorist with some deep state BS.

Definitely insulting. "Pu" is not that sort of crabs. 

Just now, LannaGuy said:

Lame.  Because they knew there could be a big reaction that she had been 'spirited away' by the Junta (which might have happened we don't know yet). I guess if she's found in a klong you will say "ah she jumped in out of disgrace". You are fast taking over DJJamie's title as number one Junta Apologist.

Oh dear, they were worried "there could be a big reaction that she had been 'spirited away' by the Junta" ? As if it didn't happen anyway.

That's not lame, it's quadraplegic. And stop guessing what I will post.

10 minutes ago, Dexlowe said:

Interpol's database is constantly updated, so they say. It has been some time since the Thai police sought a blue notice, yet there is no record of it. However, countries seeking a red or blue notice can request that the information be restricted -- this from Interpol's website: " If no Red Notice is published, this is either because one has not been requested or issued for that person, or the requesting country has asked that it be restricted to law enforcement use only."

 

Once again the RTP is being parsimonious with its information. 

And the reason was quite logically given. If you were a multi-billionaire on the run, would you have someone checking the site or not?

If the junta knew she was leaving, why would they block her supporters from attending? They could be generous, even offer free buses, so that thousands could travel long distances to stand around in the sun until informed they had been stood up, and their darling had done a bolt for Dubai or wherever.

1 minute ago, yellowboat said:

Yes, and how are they different than the rest of Thailand's elitist or entitled ?  You make those who oppose the Shinawartas sound squeaky clean. 

 

Sure leaving her son was not an easy decision, but does he not have a father ?  Can he not look after his son ?   Is he on the lamb too ?   What of the father ?

Not only does he have a father, he also has billions of baht and his own football field. I feel so sorry for the tyke.

Her supporters have to claim last minute if they wish to maintain that she left with junta assistance, or knowledge at least. If the junta knew she was leaving, why would they block her supporters from attending? They could be generous, even offer free buses, so that thousands could travel long distances to stand around in the sun until informed they had been stood up, and their darling had done a bolt for Dubai or wherever.

Ha ha, the jokes on you.

39 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Spot on!

 

 

"Yingluck fled with two aides but left her only son, Supasek Amornchat, 15, behind in Thailand, the source said."

 

Wow, what a hell of a mother! I'm sorry for her son.

Perhaps he was given the choice of living in Dubai or elsewhere and staying here. The stigma of being son of a fugitive criminal shouldn't be too hard to bear, the whole bloody family are criminals.

3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

What an outrageous statement!

 

The Junta has said that they did not know the verdict in advance, and I really really, really believe them.

 

 

The statement doesn't say the junta knew the sentence in advance, it says SHE did. And who would know better her guilt?

11 hours ago, Becker said:

Unrecognisable? To you, obviously. To the world at large, not so much.

Well, yes, but I am here. Besides all the other unusual aspects, we have the situation you raised, Yingluk "allowing" protests against her government, her supporters attacking those that chose to do so to the extent that a RTN admiral sent SEALS to man checkpoints to protect them as citizens of Thailand, because the RTP, under the control of her BIL refused to do so, and a DPM (Chalerm) stating that they could not be protected.

In any other democracy, where citizens are in danger, the government would do their utmost to protect them, nepotism wouldn't appoint a political police chief (who visits fugitive criminals) who refuses to protect them, and the military wouldn't have to step in to do their duty to protect the citizens. Or for that matter, remove the corrupt government in power. 

1 hour ago, Becker said:

Hooray is a strong word and not one I would use - but that's up to you. Of course, you just had to throw in a deflection calling it "red democracy" when it was just plain democracy. You do remember that the Shins won several elections in a row absolutely crushing the dems, right?

Of, and instances of violence from any side is not an excuse to overthrow a legal government and suspend basic human rights.

Well it was unrecognisable as any other form of democracy, so red democracy it is.

Instances of violence, by government supporters and with the government and police refusing to act to stop it isn't enough? Throw in some rampant and unchecked corruption, and total incompetence in managing state finances was more than enough.

But your point was that protest was allowed under Yingluk, and not the junta. In fact, under both protest was/is discouraged, the junta just use less violent means.

25 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Oh give it up, lies ? You just confirmed that you seem to believe they bribed their way out of trouble. I know you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I do believe most people would go for the far more logical and likely option that she did receive help to flee the country, and quite possibly no bribes were even involved. This is a high profile suspect, that was supposedly being watched 24/7 and yet she was able to simple pack up and leave. 

 

Btw, in the case that indeed bribes were the key to her escape, yep utter incompetence. A good "organization" would not allow that bribing a few "lowly members"  would be all that is needed to escape. 

Take your lack of comprehension elsewhere. I do not believe anything without evidence, nor do I insist others do. Your refusal to accept guilt with ample evidence coupled with a willingness to embrace supposition, is totally hypocritical. Your lack of logic is also extremely galling, making it impossible to have a conversation that makes sense. Write what you want, I won't be seeing it.

23 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

"A theoretical situation endorsed by the reds because it suits their agenda; it sounds so much better than the filthy rich criminal bribed her way out. " 

 

this is what you posted. Now where does I tend to supposition comes into play. You posted that later. Don't try and play the language card, I understood you perfectly well. Granted, most definitely is probably an exaggeration, but that line (and that was all you posted) does seem to imply you think she bribed her way out. Or in other words, your beloved Junta are utterly incompetent. But we already knew that of course...

Quite obviously you don't. Theoretical = unproven, confined to theory or speculation. The statement is what it is, that the situation is unproven but it suits you to believe it, and is more politically palatable than filthy rich criminal bribed her way out.

In a later statement "I tend to supposition" means that there is no proof, but given the alternatives the filthy rich criminal bribed her way out seems most likely to me, because I accept that the Shinawatras have ample funds to tempt most Thai low level workers, and are quite adept at bribing people to commit criminal acts.

What you wish to infer from plain statements is up to you, but don't try to make your inference what I wrote with 'most definitely' and 'must believe', they are not "probable exaggeration" they are lies.

BTW claiming an entire organisation is utterly incompetent because a few lowly members were (theoretically) susceptible to bribes from filthy rich criminals is illogical nonsense