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It's like a rapist asking the victim to approve to accept a wedding ring.

Either way the violation will continue .

They are not happy locking up thousands , oppressing an entire nation unlawfully, they want to try and gain some legitimate mandate by simple saying you either accept a sham article of faith or continue being buggered until you do.

Soul crushing , and nasty .

One day he will run and hide .
And until then he can look constipated and pretend he is the lawful moral leader of a Nation.

Destiny Rescue operates in several countries and this particular news item was a favour to an ex employee now involved with the Rescue organisation.
The coffee shop and other projects employes saved girls.
There is no denying some good comes of it all.

What's outrageous is the deception and lengths they go to in manipulating donors to support them.
Taking advantage of Thai press releases (of reforming the Vice industry, ) and infusing it with an underage narrative and western sex tourism.

The organisation freely admits that most rescues occur away from the western sex tourism.
But continue to seek sponsors by linking it.

They realise that Thai authorities get annoyed at being told their citizens are largely involved in sex trafficking of minors and exploitation of girls.
Not westerners.

The Church Packs sent to multitudes of churches in westerner countries carefully keep the sinful western tourist imaginary alive.
As responses are significantly higher.
They also try to avoid local authorities finding out about their programmes that require the save girl to drop her Buddhist beliefs in exchange for training and/ or work.

The scam is simply a case of actually supplying sufficient real evidence of intervention whilst maintaining strong demonisation of western males and blurring the lines on who is whom.
The story doesn't actually name girls saved in major red light areas as they main operations are in Thai on Thai locations in the far north.
But for propaganda purposes they occasionally head south and produce items that generate hatreds for the reader to digest.
And have them conclude western men and not Thais are involved.

For that reason they should be widely seen as scammers.

As for teaching Buddhists on Thai soil their religious beliefs are wrong ....Thai authorities are being sent this picture along with the organisational mission statements.

5 minutes ago, Merylhighground said:

Sensationalist claptrap, utterly (deliberately) blurring the lines between the 'domestic' and 'tourist' sex trade with the usual ham-fisted, amateur-like imbecility of the Western media when dealing with this topic.

 

The blatant 'do-gooder' Christian agenda doesn't help promote the truth nor offer any solutions to the 'problem'. 

Correct.

Interestingly , the author also works for the organisation involved .Destiny Rescue.

And the publisher was her old job as a junior reporter.

The scam involves deception ...so deliberate .

Blurring the lines.

And dramatic speech.

Target audience ...churches ...who can do some tax avoiding by donating.

Individual s on the website .

Sponsors of a rescue for $1500 can "" praise god"" the pagan Buddhist is baptised with Jesus .

Coffee shops and program's conceal the sham .

And money rolls in.

The only catch is occasionally articles like this need to be printed to stir up some donations.

Telling the truth , that most under age sex workers are servicing Thai men won't get donations.

So they particularly blame Australian men.

And make no differential between the hags in bars and children in the Mai sai border towns , where they do most rescues, along with golden triangle.

As Christian organisations go .

Truth is often first causality .

This is the stories hero Damien May who poses he says as a pedophile .

The differentiation between the sex tourist dealing with an adult and and child is blurred deliberately in the article .
The reality is ( the article even concedes it) is that in places like Pattaya few rescues by Destiny Rescues occur.
Yet they get funding largely on speculative articles like this one that seems to imply these sex workers service westerners.

When in fact the girls most rescued in areas where Thai clients are using them.

Another non disclosure is their organisation is Christian based.
That they ""pressure "" Buddhists to renounce their religion.

For this reason I have sent copies of their activities to the ministers concerned.
And hope their work visas are looked at closely.

and baptising Thai nationals for a fee is scorned on ....here is the evidence against these people......it's one thing to operate on the pretension of helping under age sex workers ...and another raising money on false damning stories against the Thai reputation ...then paying Thais to forget their Buddhist religion 

Dr Nitet Tinnakul of Chulagongkorn university estimated 2.8 million sex workers .
Some human rights groups also have high figures.

The accepted figure is about 200,000
No one knows for sure .
As for the 10 % it's inaccurate - the real totals are said to be about 3%.
More misleading quotes .

The idea is to imply Thailand relies heavily on godless evil men who plunder their underage daughters.
More neurotic attempts to scam money from unaware Australians reading the article.

The scam relies on no mention of Thais using Prostitutes , it must be bad Australians .
The church packs take advantage of the huge congregation 's hearing the ugly Aussies are causing all this .
Suggested donation per sponsor rescue is $1500 so it's a thriving business.
( though listed as non profit)

The blurred lines are important too.
It's much harder getting support to close bars that house hookers in the late 20s and early 30s .
No photos of 44 year old boilers downing a tequila shot with a faith no more t shirt.
Nope just born again Asia"s getting a 500 baht hand out to be part of the baptism shot for the propaganda pitch.

The plant comments here for the novice reader sent to investigate .
And the complete lack of making the discernment between child sex tourism and regular industry.
A massive difference.
Christians will tar the whole industry as one.

The reality is its estimated that 61% of sex workers in Asia are servicing other Asians .
Yet here we go again with the falsehoods and ridiculous claims and accusations .
Dishonest Christian propaganda .

Putting aside the article was an ex news limited journalist who is actually employed by Destiny Rescue.
And the non disclosure it's a Christian organisation.
The lines are very blurred with the non differential between child sex abuse and adult.
The presumption is they might well grind their axe on gay marriage or indeed sex outside marriage then have mouth pieces here asking the customers be targeted?

Customers of whom?

Given that the Tourist sex trade is between consenting adults the parameters of the debate needs to be set.
You might enjoy selling church packs and sponsorships to grease the projects , but make it clear who the targets are.?

Shutting down vice is one thing.
And pedophiles another.

The Christian Black and white trade mark and general dishonesty is somewhat boring.
People here know ( as even the article admitted) under age girls are almost gone from the scene .
Most of them exist in the Thai to Thai sex trade ( if they were honest enough to say so) 
Then again that would affect donations ( dubiously received on false information) 
The whole article is transparent .
And the same people will turn up with more finger pointing distorted accusations .

Destiny Rescue Facebook page has the image below of Baptism -

On its website it suggests $1500 will sponsor a rescue and also says 26 rescues last month.

The article says its hard to find underage girls in bars in Pattaya these days.

So , in reality their targets they admit are elsewhere.

Which leads us back to the closing of sex industry making them happier?

Not that this will happen.

However, the agenda is clearly influenced by dogma .

All we need now is their sponsored mouth pieces to turn up here again with the shame tactics.

Whilst they may have a role , ( Destiny Rescue) clearly a Christian fundamentalism is at work.

This government needs international intervention it's draconian laws are beyond tolerable .This is feared oppressive strong armed junta threatening a populace it holds hostage

It's now past the point of no return.
Any sensible person knows opposing government laws proposed is the role of opposition. This includes information that may or may not be factual.
The government releases porkies ( see polls)

Thailand is a dark place.
This is straight out junta practice of rounding up opponents.
Thailand has the capacity to become a dangerous place, when military kangaroo courts are jailing powerful people.

In a way I welcome all this as its part of speeding up the process.
There is no processes open to the people .
International sanctions failed to materialise .
People continue to be oppressed.
This charter is an undemocratic article that if passed allow the military to stay on.
If it is defeated they do anyway.

Is this right? 

A military that overthrew an elected government , and has ruled by fear and gun?

But darker times ahead.
This situation has the potential to explode in coming weeks or months.
This is no longer a stale mate situation.
The odds the people will rebel just shortened dramatically.

Why people with obvious discerning intelligence lower themselves here to the baiting brainwashed pro Junta swill is beyond me.?

It's ruining rationale discourse buying into the tied old mantras of Thaksin and reds this or that.
The simple evidence of oppression is moral indefensible with growing days and months.
The real discourse is how far will this military go before a violent reaction occurs ?
And is that what they actually want?

Military courts have attracted international condemnation .
It's a no brainer this is wrong .
And the ruthless government pursuing individuals need to remind themselves of the sheer mass of reds in this country before the witch trials begin.

Remember this woman has served 8 terms as chief executive in Chiang Mai regional politics.
Is very popular .
Highly educated and respected.

Amusingly ( without displaying it here) her email address is "red devil" something ......so she has a sense of humour.

The military are committing an act against the people in more ways than one here.
In trying to make an example of her and others on their turf.
The fallout will be like a tsunami hitting a Japanese nuclear reactor.

Misinformed junta boys here need to realise the reds are as popular as ever.
They didn't shoot 100 souls dead on Bangkok streets.
They don't oppress the populace with guns .

Go right ahead and punish beloved officials at your own peril.
This pressure cooker is having the heated turned up.
She might unleash the Red Devils yet if they decide imprisonment ( military)

Sanctions are long over due in any case this will at least help the international powers to consider implementation .

People are seeing the military dig themselves into a grave hole and its only a matter of time until they are buried.

This is more.....
It's a challenge ....this woman is powerfully connected.
They have two choices.( The military ) 

The most obvious is the path they have chosen .
Crucify her and others in front of the population most against them.
Red heart city.( Chiang Mai)

Or Acquit them.

TS must be smirking .
How long now can these guys get away with this act ( the military?)
Yet more rich families against them.

One day I can envision a general or two being bought to represent someone else's interests.
And the old men in Bangkok might have some tanks under some liberation banner facing off.
Then the people come out to assist.?

Interesting times.

What a crock .

I feel sorry for the Thai population.

Held hostage .

Fake polls saying 99.3% approve of their captors .

Referendum's that amount to their continued influence.

Rigged systems where outside monitors are banned .

Now these fake polls saying they will get up on the day.

Only 7.7% disapprove?

Really?

I asked 50 Thais and none ...zero wanted to vote in favour .

Lets see how the expats here go doing a similar thing

Trust and affection towards a hostage taker.

Essentially , a military with guns are that.

Does occur.

Rapists & kidnappers have been known to receive love and empathy from long term captives , in what's known as the Stockholm Syndrome .

It's rare but documented.

It's extremely rare a populace that's subjected to oppression and restrictive thought, and terrorised by threat of arrest and charges , and subsequent goal would ever fall into this box.

Rather, what's being asked is the guise of parental love to be accepted?

His fatherly speeches attempt to play a chairman Mao figure.

But in reality Thailand is a mess.

Financially, spiritually, liberty wise , and personal freedoms and hopes.

Politically it's a basket case.

Army doesn't offer solutions .

It's the problem.

His statements are at best a pathetic attempt at ignoring the causes.

Thailand might like Korea even be better separated into two countries.

The north overwhelming are not interested in the elites and their system.

What I think is happening now is the realisation period.

It comes before the stormy rebellion period.

A couple of years of soul searching then the realisation that they need to rise up.

He is trying to appease that.

But ironically arresting children and oppressing the population similtanously .

The question asks should prostitution be stopped?

For thousands of years religious leaders have urged that to be the case.

Morally it almost indefensible to say otherwise.

But nothing is absolute.

Black or white.

A mother who educates her poor child by staying with a man she hates, is a form of sacrifice and sexual servitude for gain.

A Thai farmers daughter who goes to temples and seeks forgiveness for selling her body , but wants to help her destitute family, by forwarding money?

These are not justifications , but merely observations.

They do occur without question to present us with a flip side to black and white presentations.

Money.....it's use.

In south east Asia the money does often filter down into areas that do some benefit.

Sex tourists however use these facts to attempt to exonerate often base and hedonistic thoughtless pursuits.

But again we arrive back at the social costs.

Sure it's damaging to all parties involved.

Men too.

Some men become more and more anti social and objectify woman loose family respect, and often become ensnared in sending their hard earned wages to a woman playing him.

Also , some move there and as we see end their life some years later in ruins.

Alcoholism etc.

Thailand and vice is an evil magnet.

For those reasons perhaps it can be said the right decision is to stop it.?

Then again life is fleeting .

Religious doctrine seen to be hypocritical in light of their own scandals.

The bottom line might be a man who seeks to live his life and experience high carnal satisfaction and comfort from a woman's bed is for him alone to decide.

People can judge and cast stones .

Point out harms and moral wrong doing.

Even loathe him.

But I am against religious or state intervention.

Amnesty International recognise like wise woman's choice.

And her right to sell her body if she so chooses.

Personal attacks don't highlight debate but rather bring it back to black and white.

Education , better choices , and healthier mental states can and do diminish exploitation and harm.

But within the confines of mutual agreement and two people trading commodities the state has little recourse.

Like alcohol damage is well documented and harm known.

Yet for a good percentage of users it can be a social blessing.

Ugly woman become pregnant .

Shy ones courted.

Celebrations more enjoyed.

I say this tongue in cheek.

My point is the religious people will paint the Bangkok victim ( prostitute ) always in need of rescue .

While the punter ( sex user) paint a care free strong woman making a financial choice.

Neither can be said to be true or false.

And some sex tourists are actually seeking more than sex.

In a western society they leave behind suicide is a big issue among lonely men.

The questions run deep on such men deluding themselves but surviving by going to south East Asian and exchanging money for a new life.

Often a paid one.

Prostitution isn't just on the streets.

It's in homes in marriages .

East and west.

The right for a woman to exchange her body and submit to a man for years or decades in marriage for gain is more a human rights issue.

It is in fact her right.

And the man who secretly knows money keeps the woman smiling in her kitchen and new house , lives in his third world universe content in acknowledging it to himself.

The gamble a prostitute takes when she plays.

Some land in the pay zone in more ways than one.

Land , houses , cars , money , gold, and new country of residence.

Some disparity of hope and self harm.

Their is no answer to the question other than who should decide?

With the oldest profession it seems the players only get to decide that one.

Stone them to death ...lock them up ...or build cities to egg them on and profit .

But one way or another it will only be curbed ...never stopped.

And given the Thais have a bad reputation for it all.

Maybe the question is more about hiding it .

Sweeping it under the rug .

This is in keeping with a military government doing so with most economic and social policy

Indians in 7/11 demanding phone cards speaking with disdain to employes .

Using no edicate what so ever.

Their class system on full display.

I once was at the customs with 200 Indians ahead of me .

I was ahead of the others ( westerners )

The Thai official pointed me out and got me to pass through the diplomatic gate.

I thought at the time it might have been a misunderstanding ( I was wearing a suit)

But I quickly realised the Custom official just wanted to piss off the Indians who they were ignoring in slow motion.

Russian , Indians , and some Middle eastern middle class do indeed show the Thais little regard.

Amusingly , many perish there as we do.

I would still advice politeness

Governments should now be warning tourists this is going on.

Arresting people for holding a birthday party with pig on spit?

Why?

How?

Remember these are army people unelected .

It's like the bank robber holed up in the safe with the hostages forbidding the bag of peanuts being passed around , while they call cops and ask for a helicopter .( which everyone knows they ain't gonna get)

Just like the Yes vote.

Human rights observers must now be having a field day.

No parties ?

What next ....thought crime?

The people who wear red?

Paranoia is setting in.

This situation is getting sweaty for the hostage takers.

Maybe they should run overseas while they still can.

This might all go wrong very very soon

The fact these people suffer Thai-ness in the sense they believe we are less intelligent and easily fooled , might explain the bizarre propaganda in the face of reality and facts that contradict these claims.

They don't even believe it.

Certainly they know the Thai populace they have hostage don't.

Elections would ( if they ran in them ) confirm the rejection.

Solution ?

Don't have any.

We hear claims of polls and appreciation .

The stories so worn out and silly, now it's just a parallel universe of delusion being bantered about.

What's more damaging than even the years of this affliction of military rule over the oppressed population.

Is the way the elites are now openly relishing placing their boot on the throats of innocents including children .

Even when these people meet their fate and all are done away with for treason .

The higher levels of Thai society can never again hold international moral ground.

And are themselves in danger of dying out of favour

Your Chinese masters may ( this time ) forgive and not remove you or send an army to claim your land.

But in time your country will be an outpost .

You sold your western friendships for communist ties.

So get on your knees to those invaders as they colonise you.

Correct. The people have been given a chance to discuss on televised debates through open sessions in communities and so on. Of course Jatuporn and his ilk could witness a live debate right in front of them at 200 Db and all he will say is "The people have been given a chance?? When? What platforms?? If I didn't know any better I would say you were full of it.". Because Jatuporn will dismiss facts to suit his agenda because he simply loves to disagree no matter how irrational he sounds.

Ban Ki Moon has certainly had a constructive discussion with Prayut, he understands the situation, he even understood that peace was brought to Thailand after the coup. I am confident that the UN will also understand it wants to maintain the peace that it brought to Thailand and so far they have done very well in doing that. Not a single red terrorist attack since the rebirth of the country.

Oppression is not a birthing process it's a grave situation .

It's a perverse point of view when the overwhelming evidence is contrary to the conclusions .

Insidious biased clouds the judgements to the extent (evidently ) that its actually ludicrous for the reader to for second consider the opinion.

Example : North Korea allows elections and is a progressive society.

"Thailand military are helping the Thai populace and are fair and just government that intend on restoring democracy ."

I don't know how many BBQs you were invited to in Australia .?

And might conclude your grateful to your host country where you have more integrated time here.

But the silliness of the statements you make and the audacity of using words like ""Terrorist "" making no discernible separation of all red shirts to violent frustrated ones is telling.

The government ( really the military ) is creating fear and terror in society.

Taking people away in disgrace acts of injustices, for uttering words against them , or alerting the world to their deeds.

It's very unkind to not only lack empathy , but applaud their oppression.

What a kind of person sits by and has no emotive response to see gross injustices .?

It would be amusing , were it not so insidiously disgraceful.

The UN is seeing human abuses and this is the case.

You are entitled to an opinion ....

And I would not ( even if I could) censor you.

Because freedom of speech ( even your type ) is important.

Ironically , you don't agree , in that you support oppressive actions against the people that host you.

Sad.

Lets just peek beneath the covers here, what government are we referring too , it's a Junta , Thailand is being controlled, starting to border on fear , not governed, one of several DPM three weeks back assured the Thai people that the assistant UN Secretary General understood and gave a glowing account of the conversation , unfortunately , only the good parts were given out, Junta lie to the press, You lie to the people of Thailand , you lie all day to protect your totalitarian junta , you have lied and denied freedom of speech , denied people to sell flowers, you arrest 7 year old girls , you harass students for meeting ,you threaten people for going overseas for a birthday no one can talk against about the referendum, you muzzell any decent against your activities and you wonder why no one understands, who the hell would even want to talk to U, let alone understand................................................

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The delusion they are a government is cultivated at every turn .....desires "" the people do good deeds, think correctly, are good and obedient, ......"" Which makes it more perverse given its a hostage situation where fear and weaponry are used on the populace to maintain rule.

They rule by threat are soldiers and have absolutely no mandate.

Which brings us to this referendum .

And the reason they want to cook up a yes vote.

But in their haste they have insulted the UN perhaps this time too much.

And the downhill run for them will commence as of now.

Clarification doesn't excuse the crime.

A rapist on the phone telling cops I am tying her up now because she is struggling, don't suffice.

Human rights are human rights.

And now that you have shown audacious disregard to the UN you will be punished.