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24 minutes ago, Smarter Than You said:

The Thai people are not overwhelmingly happy with the Junta, they do fear them however.

 

It is a plain and simple truth that the most corrupt institution in Thailand is the military.

The wealth stripped from the country for personal benefit by generation after generation of Generals dwarfs anything ever done by politicians.

 

The kids broke ridiculous laws that were enacted by an unelected regime that maintains its rule through fear and oppression.

 

"as in the US with the blacks".....

This little pearler says all we need to know about you and about your fellow TVF Junta lovers.

 

Well said.

2 minutes ago, Winniedapu said:

 

Odd how they manage to fool Thais but not very many foreigners. I suppose one could draw some conclusions from that...

 

Winnie

We can see the slight of hand perhaps ?

The broken promises ...the gulag solutions , arrests and injustices.

Maybe they will have a farang guest spot where expats thank them?  ( on this new show...verifying the polls that they will produce?) 

Maybe no negative feedback will be permitted?

Unlike the junta diverse opinions are welcomed here.

People who mistake oppression as progress ( in my opinion) can often be found to have an orientation towards controlling at expense of fairness.

Elites have common threads.
The delusion of right of birth.
Better than thou mentality.

But eventually like an organic mass the beast is consumed in the wild of political time.
Eaten by the ants that are the great unshaven.
Thailand is fast approaching the wounded staggering beast.
Night will fall.
It will die.

Even though polls will say 73% of expats want junta rule .....and the show is loved by 97% of us.

This will be good ......

You want see what makes them tick .....their reasoning? 

Watch

Youth over 15 ( WHo are westerners) have superior logic to any Thai professor.

Their propaganda won't succeed .

Even their opening line on change is against the grain of western thought .

For reform ...change is required and it takes time.

Where as to these people change is immediate in minutes.
And reform a mind set ....
Rather than consciousness.

I am thrilled they show the world their insidious thinking.

This will be spectacular in its abject failure.

11 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

So this is what "reconciliation" looks like?

Precisely, it's no longer a case of claiming to be bringing a Nation together.

This looks more like pre civil war times

18 hours ago, Squeegee said:

"BANGKOK:-- Prime Minister Prayut Chan-ocha has brushed aside a suggestion by several parties that the suspects detained for defying the referendum law should be freed.

“Did they commit any offence? Asked the prime minister, adding that there is no exception if someone broke the law.

He further said that those who were arrested for defying the referendum law were fully aware that they would be arrested, so they intentionally broke the law in order to get themselves arrested after which they would carry on with their activities abroad.

“Do these people love the country?” he asked.

“The law is the law. The court will decide whether to release them or not,” said the prime minister."

 

 

 

There's no way back for any of the toads because their whole lives are 100% lies, their positions and achievements, their 'reputations' and their assets, their qualifications, their messages, their nationalism and their civility are all lies.

 

 

 

It is clear we have indeed taken the gloves off and are now at the point of no return ( for the military) Firing squad will be the only outcome eventually.

The treason committed in the name of quelling division is a clear farce .

The promises and processes of so called elections and road maps , have given way to naked ambition and oppression.

Opponents routinely arrested and imprisoned .Elderly and young.

This is a pause period where you all get to decide if this place with erupt and your life's are endangered , or if the succession and processes will pass without civil uprising.

The general detests westerners and his Xenophobic speeches do resonate with some.

Spooky times ahead as the Orwellian framework is further entrenched and bogus Polls say the nation loves him.

We shall see .

On 19 August 2016 at 9:30 PM, NickJ said:

If you all love your idea of Democracy,  why not go and live under it? Why stay here,  where no local gives a fuucc about what you think. Go home to your perspective countries, dress up in your Sunday best and vote your quality votes as often as you can.

You will never be able to vote here. So quit the noise. Leave. Move somewhere where you think your vote matters.

I for one am tired of the armchair expats. You knew what it was like here. Nothing has changed in 70 years.  Thai coup politics are a repeating almost century old cycle.

Or, before you moved here, maybe you forgot to read up on it?

The idea of "like it or lump it " holds just a little water.

Certainly , entrenched military power and discourse on oppression and propaganda by them is certainly a normal talking point.

Prior coups were not so long term and now politically frame worked to stay.

But your right ....not about the outrage .

But considering leaving.

Even down track ( having to leave)

Cambodia is from September offering 3 year visas.

Some will heed your advice.

However, it is normal and somewhat sad that we reach this point.

 Really  once a place that was more open, is now a dark place and heading to civil war.

Bare faced evil propaganda which is audacious to even suggest.

A total fabrication .

This man is now a justified target by international human rights watchers.
UN or US or any freedom fighters worth their salt.
The earnest backlashes against a tyranny of power is about to commence.

We saw the bombings in the backdrop to the farce that was in politics.
The reality these people have no right to be there , ( but internationally tolerated) has passed.

Sadly the youth ""The most passionate sons of Thailand ""are made to suffer...... For daring to object .

The law of righteousness in face of oppressor.

The world powers silently gave up on this man a while back.(PM)
Insidious junta fans posing as pacifists , proclaim anti war messages here...no longer have currency.
Sometimes actions are just.

The Thai people are clearly under oppression .

The world is watching and growing tied. ( of these people)
The military are in for a very eventful few months .
Their lives will be on the line as they try to squash the countries discontent and outrage  at arrests and gaoling s .

These students are true heroes who deserve both empathy and status as role model.

These few voices among Thai men brave enough to stand up for nation and democracy need to be remembered what ever their outcomes.

War is just when the prize is removal of tyranny.

Cambodia ' s  new three year visa ( next month) is sure to also make these military leaders loose some of the longer term travellers or expats unhappy .
The average tourist will hear too of the human rights abuses they commit .

The general needs to know as he sows so shall he reap.

Or Karma is going bite your ass...

3 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Civil conflict appears to be on the brew now. I would think a Yingluck conviction for dereliction of duty will push many of her supporters in the NE over the edge. 

 

The BRN (Patani independence movement) who committed the bombing attacks are not getting recognition that they expect either. The bombings were to force this government to recognise them and to the negotiating table. By refusing to acknowledge this was committed by Southern Separatists the junta is merely inviting further attacks. 

 

As the Khao Sod article from yesterday said, the separatists have crossed the Rubicon by attacking tourists. They resisted until this junta came along. That will be Prayuth's ultimate legacy, that he has allowed the Southern conflict to widen. 

 

It would not surprise me if we see the North and South unite in a common goal.

 

Hang on to your hats folks, a long, long period of instability and danger ahead I fear. 

3 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Civil conflict appears to be on the brew now. I would think a Yingluck conviction for dereliction of duty will push many of her supporters in the NE over the edge. 

 

The BRN (Patani independence movement) who committed the bombing attacks are not getting recognition that they expect either. The bombings were to force this government to recognise them and to the negotiating table. By refusing to acknowledge this was committed by Southern Separatists the junta is merely inviting further attacks. 

 

As the Khao Sod article from yesterday said, the separatists have crossed the Rubicon by attacking tourists. They resisted until this junta came along. That will be Prayuth's ultimate legacy, that he has allowed the Southern conflict to widen. 

 

It would not surprise me if we see the North and South unite in a common goal.

 

Hang on to your hats folks, a long, long period of instability and danger ahead I fear. 

3 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Civil conflict appears to be on the brew now. I would think a Yingluck conviction for dereliction of duty will push many of her supporters in the NE over the edge. 

 

The BRN (Patani independence movement) who committed the bombing attacks are not getting recognition that they expect either. The bombings were to force this government to recognise them and to the negotiating table. By refusing to acknowledge this was committed by Southern Separatists the junta is merely inviting further attacks. 

 

As the Khao Sod article from yesterday said, the separatists have crossed the Rubicon by attacking tourists. They resisted until this junta came along. That will be Prayuth's ultimate legacy, that he has allowed the Southern conflict to widen. 

 

It would not surprise me if we see the North and South unite in a common goal.

 

Hang on to your hats folks, a long, long period of instability and danger ahead I fear. 

3 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Civil conflict appears to be on the brew now. I would think a Yingluck conviction for dereliction of duty will push many of her supporters in the NE over the edge. 

 

The BRN (Patani independence movement) who committed the bombing attacks are not getting recognition that they expect either. The bombings were to force this government to recognise them and to the negotiating table. By refusing to acknowledge this was committed by Southern Separatists the junta is merely inviting further attacks. 

 

As the Khao Sod article from yesterday said, the separatists have crossed the Rubicon by attacking tourists. They resisted until this junta came along. That will be Prayuth's ultimate legacy, that he has allowed the Southern conflict to widen. 

 

It would not surprise me if we see the North and South unite in a common goal.

 

Hang on to your hats folks, a long, long period of instability and danger ahead I fear. 

Danger ahead in deed. 

People will refute your analysis ......

Ignore the North and South common Goal .

Even intelligence agencies might be looking at moving these goons out the way,.

Push that theory and your a classified nut...

However a week on....no one caught ...

What will happen next ....

The leader? 

Way out...?

The CIA has the resources to take out the Junta leader.
If you think he entertains fantasies , you ought to get into my conspiracies .

I am thinking those bombs were merely the first shot.

You know how drones can blow the Kingdom Come out of a whole industrial estate used by ISIS ? 

I hope / think we might well see an assassination of some of these goons.
Signalling to the masses it's time to rebel.

America does have agents in Thailand .
Who else other than the military themselves co ordinate so many attacks .
And make it a clean get away?

A bomb taking out the ministers ( By way of drone) or truck packed with TNT and volunteer crazed Muslim would cement things.

Who over is doing this wants us to believe its Muslims .

What if this is a destabilising op by CIA .
They have in the past done this before and used Jewish intelligence agencies to help.

Very far out theories but we shall see.

Junta fans have to come to terms this isn't going to last .
One way or another.

We might be seeing a knife in someone's back shortly.

Being banned from Thailand is a gift and blessing.

Free of the decaying evil and money sponge the dark place.

But the place is so corrupt ....anyone wishing to return have many ways in which to achieve that.

As for the good guys in.....why are so many Chinese and Russian?

Reality is few ""good people "" end up wanting to actually go there.
It's usually a poorly researched holiday mistake.

Up until now I suspected Muslim groups in the far south.

Not any more .

The junta looks to have created this situation.

So we know who did the bombings now .
Motive - using it as a pretext to conduct witch hunts.

Confessions to a previously unheard of group.

Imprisonment and torture ( interrogation ) 

These guys are becoming real pieces of work.

Thailand is set to become a powder Keg.
Tourists considering going there should think again.

This place is turning dark .

2 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

 

Good grief man, there has been plenty of censoring! Several journalists have been taken for attitude adjustments already. The media is cowering in fear of this utter buffoon.

 

He is different ....( robbok) ...You know?

 A petticoat junta boy fan .....

Attempts to portray an all is well ...go to ballot box approach ( knowing its rigged now)

Throws out all the wore defective Junta logic .

WAR with junta is bad ...

Junta equals love and peace etc.

5 minutes ago, GeorgesAbitbol said:

Government asks media to be Propaganda tool

Maybe even ordered

40 minutes ago, DM07 said:

The eyes, that only see, what they are allowed to see.

The ears, that only hear, what they are allowed to hear.

And the mouth, that only speaks, what it is told to say!

That's basically correct ....according to these people.

And the election won't offer any changes to status Quo .

Sanctions should be brought up soon .

This is getting very very dark

38 minutes ago, robblok said:

Nothing wrong with overthrowing the junta.. but you are constantly wanting to do so with bloodshed.. so be the first in line or are you a coward.. someone who just wants to see others bleed for his fun. Sounds a lot like it.

 

There will be an election and if the Thais vote united they can oust the junta.. With a large enough vote there is nothing the junta can do. So it can be done without bloodshed.. but that is not fun for you.

 

You want blood because there is no united majority against the junta.. if there was then there is no need to rise up just vote them away. 

 

I just like to stand up to coward warmongers like you who send people to their dead when its not needed. You are really a fruitcake. 

I should Not argue with people who go from premise to conclusion without any logic.

There are youths starving themselves on hunger strikes in prison for standing up to this Junta.

Are they cowards  too?

The real cowards are seem to be the pathetic westerners here that grovel to the oppressors and only offer elections ( rigged ) as a solution.

its idiotic to suggest westerners who don't themselves fight for the cause are cowards.

This is a Thai matter .

I no longer live in Thailand in any case .

But I do see the potential for this civil conflict to occur.

Your using a very simplistic Thai junta angle that observing or justifying Thais taking up arms is somehow against their beliefs .

Ironically it's their arms ( the military ) that seized power.

Why is that ok?

But response not?

i believed in war against Hitler decades before my time based on evidence.

Passive objectors the minority.

But your passification  of those pro over throw is ridiculous .

It's morally justified .

Even if a thousand die.

You can't wheel out I an inciting war in Thailand 

Thats childish .

Or by not flying in at the chosen hour means your a coward.

If you hate war why do you pander to a military that's inciting one ?

It's plain who the weak are around here 

46 minutes ago, The stuttering parrot said:

It's 2016 and people still support this type of behaviour or at the very least try and defend it.

Shame on all of you.

It's astonishing I agree.

But a percentage of people are wired differently.

its safe to say he is one.

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

Your a war monger and I have seen you do it.. so join the Thais in their fight take a bullet for them or shut up. Your the type that loves violence and disruptions and wants others to sacrifice themselves for your fun. I remember your posts in the bombing topics.

 

There will be an election, and then the Thais can vote an masse for a new government if they are united they can stand up then to the army. I think that is far better than preaching war. Less entertaining for someone like you of-course.  I will bet you the Thais wont unite and wont all vote for one party and remain divided. 

He really is a very gullible little fellow this boy.

Name calling and supporting an election held by a junta that basically stacks the decks?

You as I said previously have a right ( as unpopular as it is or ignorant) but I am not going to shut up .

You even emulate junta tactics demand others do.

As for me hoping the Thais overthrow the junta ...

That is your point of view.

Sometimes there is no other way.

And it's morally justified if an evil is removed.

Your problem is you don't see their oppression as evil .

This says more about you then me.

Your in a minority .

Must people here see the reality of the situation.

You have a tiny portion of the picture and like to suck up to essentially the oppressors .

Pathetic as that is and offensive to most .

The difference between us is I defend your rights to do so.

While you reflect a junta line of censorship 

44 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

Im all for that revolution you describe and your war mongering. Just make sure your in the front when the soldiers start shooting. It will be a sacrifice well worth (in your eyes) and in mine too. I gladly let the junta go if that means you are gone too and your warmongering revolution preaching stuff is no longer on Thaivisa. 

Recently a Thai academic wrote to the United States Ambassador in Bangkok accusing theirs and other Embassies of wanting those bombings that occurred .
The rationale much the same as yours was they had warned their citizens prior to the events leading up to it to exercise caution. ( referendum )

Observing potential dangers and manifesting them or wanting them are not the same thing.

War is sometimes justified - but that is a matter for the Thai people.
I advocate only westerners maybe consider it is likely at some point civil unrest will occur.

This is part opinion ( on a forum and legal in context of it being an opinion ) not under junta law from Australia..
I neither wish or take delight in events that might be required.
But nor do I shun away from the reasons or justifications.

Junta fan boys have a role to play much the same as court jesters or devils advocates.Opinions are a democratic process on forums and elsewhere.
But embracing the junta censorship and mistaking a viewpoint with national security another.
We are only observers.
If you want peace so much perhaps the juntas demise will herald that in for you.

Meantime wishing them away peacefully the Thais are learning is not going to work.
So the more practical solution may just well entail pitch folks on mass.
Who knows.
Lighten up sunshine .

48 minutes ago, Eligius said:

Things are going from bad to worse - and the Thai people (in their millions) stand for it. I know there are many good, decent, freedom-loving Thais in Thailand - but they seem to be outnumbered by the literally millions and millions of supine, spineless Thais who will take anything that is defecated all over them. They might whisper about how they dislike it - and then clap and cheer a 'minister' when she appears in public before them.

 

 In the end - and it grieves me to say this -  a people get the government they deserve - if they are not prepared to develop  a moral backbone and proudly and bravely proclaim, in their many millions,  'enough is enough'. Will the Thais ever utter these words, I wonder?

I agree , there is a boiling point to which a Nation as a whole presents its passionate youth in deviance of tyranny ...that millions together can defeat.

Yet nothing .

Draconian laws and oppression and fear become even more entrenched?

i though do see the signs of a Tsunami of civil unrest.

Those bombings rattled the Government ....fires and mayhem provide a fertile ground for people to move on something.

If one day an attack say killed the PM you may well see mass civilian disruption.

The soldiers may well kill a hundred or even a Thousand .

But never a hundred Thousand or a million.

Thailand is theirs for the taking.

This is why we see the junta battle to literally survive .

They try desperately to keep a lid on things boiling over.

But in doing so turn up the heat.

The chances of these people being alive running this government in 5 years is at best 50-50.

When it comes the people rising up it will not be pretty.

All that's needed is a trigger.

A soldier gunning down 30. -40 people? 

Yingluck Placed in prison where she allegedly suicides?

Thaksin assassinated ?

A major death of someone revered .?

But Thais respond out of the blue .

A chain reaction of some sort will break the levee ....and the Junta Dam break.

Ironically the non action by citizens is speeding up the process by creating a run away leader shutting down the country.

Its dark days ahead that's for sure.

But something will eventually give.

People residing there should follow events here closely.

For their own good 

11 hours ago, Winniedapu said:

 

 

Thailand has rule by law, not rule of law, which is how Mr Prayuth can mendaciously claim that he does not infringe upon people's liberties unless they break the law (which he writes), and he doesn't seem to see the untruthfulness of that any more than he sees that the international community is not so stupid as he is used to thinking. 

 

An estimated 80%+ of police and 90%+ of senior government officials  have taken corrupt money at least once in their careers. Arguably, the most corrupt institutions in Thailand are the 'Royal' Thai Armed Forces. iI's a tradition, and comes from the fact that as recently as 100 years ago, appointees to the judiciary and bureaucracy were expected to earn their own money, they were not paid by the state or by the head of state. Corruption is viewed as an acceptable and understandable foible; this is made clear in many surveys over time and as recently as this year.

 

Thailand will not change until it is knocked down and rebuilt. It is my belief that we are seeing the early stages of that now, with what seems to me to be a progressive breakdown in society. You cannot build a new building without first clearing the site. That's what is happening, and we should all rejoice that at long last, this midden of a country is beginning to become aware of itself, and doesn't seem to like itself very much. Prayuth, such as he is, is a splendid part of that process, probably while believing he's a part of an altogether different process.

 

Before it becomes a real state, a leader state, which Thailand delusionally thinks it already is, first it must become a failed state and it already satisfies many definitions of exactly that.

 

So - imho, hope for the future that event like this will stop, but first, they are bound to get worse and more frequent. Eventually tourists will be killed in the street, this is a part of and a necessary consequence of Prayuth's plan to make foreigners responsible for what is happening to Thailand. In this he has no choice brother, it's either us or him and it won't be him.

 

Keep your powder dry and have an exit plan, because one day, I think you're going to need it, especially if you live in or near one of the fleshpots like Pattaya; the world is changing around you, don't be too slow to notice it because I think that will be a world of pain.

 

Winnie

Certainly as Thailand suffers economic hardships the buck will be shifted in propaganda to westerners causing the country pain.
This bouncer incident and violence in a group is indicative of mindset too.

Westerners certainly are receiving more menacing looks and overtones where gain is not a consideration .
Crimes occurring more frequently.

The general will at some point encourage Thais to have an US vs Them mentality.
I left sensing the potential of investments were going to fall away.
Security measures cracking.

I concur about others considering the direction this country is moving in the sober light of day alone somewhere quiet.
Reflect on if the worst eventualities begin and Thailand is sanctioned and propaganda against us stepped up how safety could be a very large consideration.?

I do think it will come to westerners being attacked on the street.
And not just by bouncers.
The explanation of a country being panned world wide and failing is a recipe under this leader to wholesale finger pointing at westerners and god knows what else.?

This is a discernible shift...asking reporters essentially  to suppress news like warning Tourists of violence in their streets, albeit it by thugs, or explosions, civil strife....""report on things which will not cause damage to the country""

He goes on to imply he will deem it illegal to do so.

But he is basically saying if it can hurt tourism and you report it....gaol.
If it hurts my reputation ( Nation) ..he will gaol you.
Human slavery stories ....anything .

It's Orwellian BS that needs calling out.

Who the hell wants to visit a country where journalists risk life and limb and their freedom disclosing events to the world?
Run by a junta arresting opponents and crushing protest of any form?

It's actually disgraceful he is not being told to stand down by foreign powers, let alone no sanctions imposed.

It's unbelievable how dark this place has become behind the stage managed welcoming faces of the junta to world.
Real people in real gaols for no crimes.

Giving them your tourist dollar is now in itself a kind of karmic wrong doing in a sense.....certainly risky given the amount of westerners dying there these days ...

Time the world moved on this army run nation to restore democracy.....this guy certainly has no intension of doing so.

I suppose a congratulations to police is in order.

However....

Those Brits might wanna get out of town quick.
I doubt they will go to gaol ( The bouncers) 

TAT may be telling the goons make sure they get out alive.

Meanwhile the odds just shortened  on a Brit falls off a verandah anytime soon.

Why this story is particularly relevant to tourism is that Thai authorities need to increase charges where more than one Thai is involved on one individual to more serious  charges of intent to cause grievous bodily harm , (or where head kicks are proven , ) weapon used against the head region , attempted murder.

Currently , Thais are released and/ or small fines applied.
This simply isn't good enough.
It's understandable Thais maybe feel disadvantaged in a fight one on one.
I have yet to see one yet unless they were armed.
But it's no excuse to gang kick a western tourist.

As stated they left.

The apologists who think they know Thailand are at a very basic level of understanding.
As noted Thais would not care if a truck mowed them down .

This debate is largely about extent of force towards the head by a group of men.
It's morally hard defending that.
And the collective hope might be Thai authorities punish.

No one is suggesting they are hooked up to an electric chair.
But a month in the monkey house might teach them to chill.
Even those camps you send the others to might suffice.
But if these guys walk your gonna loose serious money.

So make an example 

People here excusing Thai violence like group kicks to brain regions are missing the point.
These are attempted murder attacks .
Tourists ( including elderly woman ) are being followed and beaten unconscious.

These are not altercations that might end with a push and or shove or one punch.
Thai males are largely homosexuals in nature and those who are not are too cowardly to fight one on one.
The have no ethics so woman are no problem.
They use weapons , but usually just in numbers .
Xenophobic nationalist sentiments are growing and western drunks can be attacked for the most trivial thing.

These kind of beatings can result in huge medical bills , and permanent injury.
Thailand is not safe .
Military rule means few cases are investigated .
It's a dark place .
Google deaths in Thailand for westerners .
The numbers are there to see.
Assaults are daily.
Only these make it to news ( video) 

Even if the fight gets evened up the whole street of Thai men would join in.
Barbaric third world tactics.
Juntas are perhaps a karmic even up on them?

One can't fathom how they seem fine with head trauma intent on an elderly woman ?
The general incites violence in subtle speeches anti western with sentences like .".why punish Thai tourism? " 

This is yet another reason to do exactly that.