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"" We care ?"""   ......says TAT

But visitors can be forgiven for thinking differently .

Or for that matter recently .....

People can be forgiven thinking Thailand is a death trap.
The rate of misadventures leading to mysterious deaths, and /or accidents there by tourists.

Tiny rewards offered for information to catch bombers.
Letting thugs who kick westerners in the head in packs completely go free.?

Is this caring?

The lack of investigation into crimes?

The deliberate misinformation regards bombers out to kill us?

Another bomb today.

People need to think carefully about this place.
Truth is they only want your money.
Couldn't care less.

Don't think because its further south it's going to stay there.

Hotels are indicative of getting tourists .

Didn't take long this will now bite hard into their tourism industry .

The Government had assured you all was normal ...it is not.
They can't protect you.

Civil strife in Thailand is now under way.

I can only urge people travelling there to continue monitoring embassy and westerner media information.
Thailand appears to be entering a politically charged situation with backlash against its oppressive military junta increasingly likely.

Violence and bombings place tourists at risk.

This seems now a very clear indication a bombing campaign has begun .

I can judge it.

gaoling people .

gulags .

Oppression 

7 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

You might want to study the history of the American Revolution- a military uprising that changed the face of America forever.

That's cute.

Its wasn't a junta .

It was a revolution against a power .......much the same Thai people today are the people in need of revolution ....

This junta is insidious and morally indefensible .

The reds win each election because the people love them.

ironically , it's the elites who seek to rig things.

Stack the situation ....hold power by force.

People who like to represent Thais when discussing elitist powers are repugnant and not someone I would bother debating.

I am more a burn the city down type of guy , if the oppressors give you no choice

23 minutes ago, Squeegee said:

 

 

 

"To the Poster Squeegee:  It appears your only comeback is to attack me personally for an opinion I  have regarding the government."

 

Another lie. It's so ingrained in you that you don't even notice you're doing it.

 

Now for the truth. I challenged you to back up your "opinions." Again, unlike you, I can do it. If you lie and say my only comeback was personal attacks and you don't engage the points I made you are a fraud. Your claim is a lie, as we see:

 

"People in Thailand are unable to protest, and when they try they get locked up."

 

I even underlined it for you in the post you refer to, and yet according to you, it simply isn't there. This is not about you ignoring my points because I say them rudely, since this is your modus operandi anyway and you ignore these same points when other posters put them to you.

 

Noting your lies on the forum is making an observation. The saying 'criticize the post not the poster' to me does not hold up here because you are choosing to propagate lies across the forum. That is why you continue to claim the 2011 election was bought, as.. I.. already.. said.

If it is your "opinion" or not doesn't matter, that the election was condoned by a respected third party to claim it was bought is a lie. You rarely - if ever - say "In my opinion" but instead just throw it out there with no such qualification that the election was bought. How convenient for you that by doing this you might influence the thinking of anyone who doesn't know better, how inconvenient for you that there is someone like me, impolite enough to call you on it.

A spade is a spade and a lie is a lie. Quite frankly, I believe you are doing a great impoliteness to the Thai population and anyone who has suffered an injustice at the hands of the oppressors you not only seem to condone but appear to be actively supporting with your own stream of propaganda.

 

 

 

"It's too bad because I respect other people's opinions whether I agree with them or not."

 

No. you support a regime that denies people an opinion of their own. Alright for you, not for a couple of old ladies.

 

Personal attacks and respecting opinions... sickly, saccharine sentiments like the shiny coat of civility your glorious leader hides behind on television. You are actually showing no respect for the whole population of Thailand by trying to throw poo at their votes.

 

 

 

 

"I have no intention in engaging you on any subject..."

 

We know that already. That's the whole point: I am observing your modus operandi, to spout nonsense, blatant proven lies and "opinions" without qualifying them.

 

 

 

 

"You call my opinion a lie. Why?  A lie is an intent to deceive when the truth is known. How do you known the truth?  You have no  one sitting in the inner circle of power in Thailand nor do I."

 

Independent observers gave us the truth. You deny this truth and promote an untruth. That's lying is it not?

 

 

 

 

"I, however have 50 years of experience in Thailand and experiences which few can emulate. Does that make me an expert on Thailand and its people?  No, it does not. However people with long experience in a culture and an understanding of the dynamics can provide valuable insights that others may not have."

 

A common mistake made by those who experienced life but haven't learned from it: that life experience is not a qualification in and of itself. Next you'll be condoning greng-jai.

 

 

 

 

"At the end of the day- neither my opinion or yours mean anything to Thailand or the Thai people. They will chart their own destiny and I can assure neither you nor I will have any real influence."

 

Not true. We are the fathers, sons and husbands of Thai people. Our countries are the business partners of Thailand. Now I start to wonder if you can even speak a lick of Thai, with a view like that.

 

 

 

 

"...because you want to stifle my opinion because you do not like it."

 

Don't flatter yourself. I don't care about your opinions. You'll do anything to avoid the real issues, as is my point.

 

 

 

 

"Your attack on me is way over the top and it shows what an angry person you are."

 

Your only real content. It's a fair assessment [Edit - that I am angry].

I despise injustice so I'm flippin' angry with certain people in Thailand.

 

Also, I don't enjoy speaking to you with such disdain, you don't come across as a horrid person or whatever (I dare say I fare much worse in that regard!) but how many times must I be somehow polite and respectful to someone endlessly repeating the same untruths that support major injustices, and who will not qualify them if they are not, indeed, untruths?

 

To put it quite bluntly, if there were no independent observers of the 2011 election then we could talk about opinions.

 

 

 

 

"A word of advice- you can disagree with people and we can have a nice discussion..."

 

Don't talk to me about discussion. Go talk to heybruce (iirc) and answer the points he's made to you.

 

 

 

 

 

"...but I strongly object to the personal attacks that are so prevalent. You owe me an apology but I doubt I will ever get it."

 

How about we start the ball rolling with you apologizing to those two old ladies for supporting a regime that didn't respect their opinions?

 

You're crying over blunt talk for the sake of your opinions, they got locked up for theirs. That in itself shows how out of touch you are because these are real people's lives that are destroyed whilst you wax lyrical about your own precious opinions.

Well said .

It's puzzling people sit by and cold and clinical dismiss great injustices as progress.

Caring for Thai people means empathy for injustices committed against them, by unlawful criminals who claim power by gun in treason acts against them.

Junta have taken power.

It eliminate them by any means is just.

People go to gaol for nogood reasons .

Facebook likes?

opinions ?

This is war.

They are outside truely of civil boundaries of tolerance .

So those injustices alone are worthy of reprisals .

What people think of oppressors is their business .
They are in my view shallow unworthy of debate.

But they are allowed their views.

I hope the junta learns when they are dragged out after midnight and sat in a chair by a brick wall facing firing squads.....that treason won't go unpunished .
That their crimes are only worthy of death.

Many would have been butchered by the people.
I hope the leader survives .
I would take gratification seeing his demeanour when brought to trial.

People who say the reds have had election successes are fools .
It's silly debating these points.

Even sillier is their belief these people have any right to be ordering , gaoling, or hijacking the Nation.
It's high Treason and death can be the only just outcome.
Nothing less.

It's only a matter of time.

Many westerners under 50 have hundreds of thousands USD in bank a three year visa on proof of funds makes sense ....( without the elite visa costs)

Maybe a 40,000 per year visa ?

8 hours ago, Squeegee said:

 

We live in hope.

Yes ....lets hope the world starts the processes it should have some time ago

7 hours ago, halloween said:

 

Keep up your blood lust fantasies. Meanwhile the Thai people get on with life.

Those not in prison or living in fear under military oppression .....perhaps .

But we are not talking about a beloved leader and his angelic band of merry men here.

its common the fate they often throughout history share.

Its almost poetic justice ....the karmic wheels.

Dont get too emotive if some of us even wish fate upon people largely seen here for what they are.

3 year tourist visas in Cambodia needs matching or they will loose billions upon billions

I applaud these true sons of Thailand and hope they manage to inspire thousands more to fight for freedom in the face of oppression .

Much larger than before and possibly a military target.

The goal was always to cripple Tourism.

This objective on the success of recent bombings will continue with a very high degree of probability

Yes ....in the short term were there no more bombings.

Longer term no.

The human rights abuses are catching up with them slowly.
Propaganda less effective.
Political landscape and persecution of citizens for even having an opinion is gaining international focus.

Civil strife will unhinge them in the end.

But the likely hood of more bombings is better than 50% as the significance of the first was too pronounced for it to be a one off.
Also it was wide spread and highly successful
 So it's going to impact harder ...much harder if more occur.

For those reasons and others like a higher entry fee for Chinese numbers will decline.
The economy will suffer .
Tourism is also affected by the social media stories we see here .

Certainly communist Chinese aside and the Russians and Malaysians the numbers are in free fall now.
Western tourists are not fond of oppressive states .
Thailand once the gentle sweet nation to go relax has had too many horror exposure and now home to gulags and attitude adjustment camps and mad bombers and murderers.q

The international community no longer support Thailand.

7 hours ago, aussieinthailand said:

Yu'p0 agreed.

The two great motivator's in politic,  money and power.

Now if the junta did have truly honorable intensions for staging the coup and for the country and it's people then sorry but the facts speak for themselves...

Where is the honorable intensions with granting himself and his cohorts full immunity for past present and future???

Where is the honorable intensions gaoling students calling for independent investigation into corruption???

Or the honorable intensions of banning open public debate on the referendum????

And where is the honorable intensions in threatening shooting reporters that keep asking questions he doesn't like?

Or the honorable intensions of the serial breaking of human rights while publicly claiming he always respects people rights and freedoms and then claiming the UN and international community have no problems with the juntas policy's???

Immunity doesn't work when mobs arrive with fever pitch anger and the city is burning.

They are more likely to be butchered

This ship sailed with Titanic written on the side a while ago.

Its over.

The Mother's Day bombings was the first salvo of civil war.

Nice try.

But  Boracay Island  in PI has better beaches than Thailand .

So many better places.

Had to laugh at the scamming comments..( Thailand is leader )

Back to question.

The cycle of coups makes Thailand a crippled long term state.

As civil unrest is always seemingly possible.

Retirement is about peace.

Westerners are also less welcome.

And truth is in 20 years Thailand will be a colony of Mainland China State at this rate.

We would have long moved on.

Or be under such strict tagging and rules and regulations it wouldn't be nice.

Happening now.

Thailand is over War is approaching.

After that communists will swoop

It's taken these guys this long to calculate that several fires and several explosions required a few people behind each.

The word they are reluctant to use is ISIS.

Their influence is striking.

Russian intelligence in December warned they were in the country.

Its clear planning is better.

Not claiming responsible involvement allows them to assist the southern separatist s if indeed they did it..

I haven't dismissed CIA involvement .

It was just too successful to have been usual suspects.

But it's rattled them.

They know there's more and tourism will falter

When they ask you to "speak up "" when you whisper ......"" I was under orders""
When the others have been shot or torn apart already....""what will you say?""

The People ? 

It was for them? 

Do you know the crimes you commit .?
What you are doing and saying against the Thai people?

5 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

More proof that Orwell travelled to the future to research his books.

Indeed

Sheer fear has gripped the Junta .

They had wished the bombings were by people they knew.

No clues.......No evidence.....

Their fears now point to a greater Satan .

These announcements are just buying time .

Some wise enough will flee the country.

But their end is assured.

The propaganda is only now for a distant hope they escape first.

52 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

You must have be a fan of  Tolkien. A very visual little essay.

Maybe the makings of a movie or a song along the lines of "Eve of Destruction" by Barry McGuire 40 years ago?

"Thailand's world, it is imploding,

Bullets firing,  bombs exploding,

Even the Chao Praya has bodies floating....... and so on.

 

I guess it might of been the movie last night ....

This was key to the incarnation invoked .

Mel Gibson s little piece ..set in the jungles -

Insert Junta and the words are beautifully fitting.

http://youtu.be/TmNGfSa2SmU

The horror that is current junta ruling  Thailand today is seen for what it is.

This is all too late...it's over.

Like a wounded wild boar it roars to warn off the hungry forest animals who will consume it.

Worthless embarrassing fluff ....ridiculous propaganda that no one believes means the hour of their demise draws nearer.

Like all dying beasts they struggling to escape breath , fight , convince themselves there is a way out.
When there is none.

Silence is deafening .
Wounded they try and identify their attackers.
Bleeding they maintain they are in control.

In the jungle night falls .
Slowly.
The political jungle is hungry to consume them.
They will die.

Horrible the deaths awaiting.
In gulags the people scratch out a day a score and a time.
The jailer will open their cells and release them into a Thailand free of the beast.

Time the great healer.
Time the great avenger of evil doers.
Thailand hears their dying moans as they bleed.
The junta is now entering its darkness.

These fables are imagined only.
Their dream is soon to be a nightmare.
The sky will blacken their day 
Eclipse their evil rule
Cast into oblivion and consumed .

Ever considered two worlds near by?

Cambodia is offering three year visas next month.

You could live 2 months in each location off/ on

It's one solution