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They are just stalling to see what the british are going to say.

There’s one simple way to shoot this whole S,H,1T Sandwich down in flames, was Hannah taking contraception? If so the implications are obvious. British forensics will know that and so will family and friend. Will the defence be permitted to call foreign witnesses? I don’t know if that’s been mentioned, I don’t have the time to read every post. It’s obvious that there is a lot more to this discussing and sickening case than meets the eye, it’s got staged written all over it. Let it go to trial and I’m sure the world will see more than the Thais will want them to see.

As already pointed out by one very sensible person, there no evidence that David and Hannah were on intermit terms, they were not sitting together in the pub or together when outside in a group. In the pub a guy with tattoos was sitting where you would expect David to have been, Hannah’s friends will have a good idea. There are a few people on here with heads full of cuddly toys, the two Burmese didn’t do it, and they weren’t physically capable.

@JD,

You have been online without a break for 2 months now bashing anyone who questions whether the 2 Burmese boys are the murderers.

You have stated repeatedly that you are of the belief that they are the guilty ones.

From what you have said, you believe this mainly because they have confessed to the crimes.

I have asked you several times ..... however, you plainly could not be bothered to explain why you believe this so fervently. You have invested a great deal of your life to this cause yet you don't really seem very interested in the Burmese boys at all.

Over a thousand posts now ..... all in favour of the Burmese guilt ... yet only 2 lines explaining why you feel this so strongly.

May I suggest that you NEED the boys to be guilty for the simple logic that if they are the murderers - then other people can not be?

No.... I'm sure that would be a bad suggestion............

I do not agree with you , I have been following JDs posts for a while and he is not claiming they are the only guilty one . But he is trying to look at the other side of the coin to find other suspects than the headmans family .

B2 are also real suspects and of course we can not just ignore that.

Carry on.

There is so much being kept quiet i think the friends of Hannah and David may know more and Scotland yard also so lets hope if this trial starts at the end of next week that the defence team have plenty of ammo.

I doubt there will be a trial, as Thai officialdom can only dig themselves deeper in to the hole they've dug. However, if there is a trial, I hope the B's defense team gets some assistance from Brit experts (which the B2 asked for, and probably their lawyers asked also).

If the Brits continue to stand stoically back and say nothing, then it will look bad for the Brits. Enough is enough. They owe it to the pursuit of justice (and getting the real perps behind bars) to tell what they know, and not keep putting it off week after week.

Exactly Boomerangutang.

Nomsod is No9? The truth will be revelaed soon

There are 2 videos showing what appears to be Nomsod on the island which most of us belive to be him because of his distinctive walk. The guy wearing the number 9 t-shirt should be easy to trace but the police on murder island can't do that. I wonder why. Any idea?

Most of us realies that experts in the field can tell beyond doubt that it's Nom the sod, perhaps the Thai police should be looking for a New Zealand scrum half.

They can't take it to trial, it will highlight their incompetence a thousand fold,

Agreed, but they also can't afford to not take it to trial....remember the case was perfect!

Not taking this to trial means losing face as pointed out earlier.

We'll just have to wait and see won't we!

Plus I am the one of the only people not promoting a conspiracy

Are you practicing for a stand-up comedy routine?

The theories on this forum are not propagated by extremists; most of us are here with a common coal, TRUTH AND JUSTICE. I can't see this going to trial, if that happens, it will make a bad situation a thousand times worse.

Worse, for the powers-that-be. That's why they're having such a problem stitching together a somewhat-viable frame-up scenario to convict the B2. If it weren't for the scrutiny of tens of thousands of netizens, they could just railroad the B2 to guilty verdicts and be done with it. That's what they were aiming for, when the 2nd police chief took charge. Remember that? Withing hours 3 Burmese were nabbed and in a 'safe-house' getting tortured with no lawyer - to sign a paper they couldn't read. Hours after that, it was declared their DNA matched. Hours after that was the farcical reenactment. Speaking of that, I saw a photo where the one smaller guy was being escorted by a cop on each side (along the beach during the reenactment). Two sets of arms were manipulating him. Even a marionette has just one or two hands controlling it. The kid had four controlling hands.

They can't take it to trial, it will highlight their incompetence a thousand fold,

Forensics experts in Bangkok said they found, and are now DNA-testing, blonde hairs in female victim Witheridge's right hand. From the Bangkok Post

What happened to this blond hair, was it part of the conspiracy to frame Chris Ware? Or was it really found and one of the killers really did have blond hair?

Another mystery, no RTP has mentioned it since.

She probably clutch at her own hair in the frenzy, that's why the police haven't mentioned it since, because they should have realised that straight away.

From The Nation..any news on the mentioned photo... ???

A British witness had taken a photo of two men pestering the female victim not long before she was raped and murdered. He went to her assistance. One of the two troublemakers identified by the British witness and appearing in the photo is the bar manager. He is the bar owner's brother or nephew.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/What-about-bar-manager-accused-of-harassing-victim-30246806.html

A reminder about how and why Thai officialdom is doing all they can to pretend nothing at all happened in the bar that night. It's as though, it was a 5 hour twilight zone. It's like the Wizard of Oz, at the end of that movie, telling the traveling rabble, "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

No. What is out there is a claim on a conspiracy theory website that the furniture was changed. Not one single article on Thai or foreign press to confirm the claim. Same goes for the claim he was not in class

There is a reason people want actual confirmation from a credible source and not just stuff from csila.

You're like Holland's Hans Brinker putting his finger in the dike, trying to stop it from being breached and flooding the Netherlands. Except there are 300 holes in the dike (of officials' cover-up, frame-up, shielding of headman's people). It's good you're spooked by the issue of furniture being in the video. It shows you're seriously worried that bit of evidence will finally blow the cover off of Nomsod's flimsy and amateurish alibi.

Jdinasia should also be spooked about the planted evidence trail (such as Hanna's phone, etc), because those items are also as flimsy as wet toilet paper, and can be dashed to smithereens by any court with a modicum of objectivity.

I am hoping for a trial with a vigorous defense for the accused.

Speculation regarding the evidence against the 2 Burmese men accused of being the killers, should be cleared up then.

However, I am far from spooked by the issue of the furniture. It is clear that the furniture was there after the crime.

There’s not going to be a trial, they’ll throw the towel in before it gets there

The two Burmese took the hoe with them to use as a plectrum did they, then found another use for it, is that what you think?

If they believe the Thai police evidence, it’ll be a kangaroo court with pay as you enter over the door.

Expats with family and vested interests and obvious commitments can be excused, no reasonable minded person would expect them to up stick and go, on the other hand, they shouldn't be classed as hypocrites if they then still chose to boycott tourism to Thailand in any other way they chose, the loss of tourism and the obvious effects that would cause will be harder to bear than the loss of face. Logically, that's the only way the ordinary people are going to make a real difference and actually change the system in any meaningful way. that's the reality of it.

Yes they should. If you promote not coming to Thailand you should man up and hit the road.

Vote with your feet, man up, really?

I give you your freedom of expression defending the RTP and the powers that be casting yourself as the defender

of the institutions vs. the "conspiracy theorists" regards the Kao Tao case regardless of my personal opinion.

But, how are foreigners that have chosen to make a life here any different from the Thai poor and under privileged

that are trying to make a difference and a future for their familys/children/business when they express

their dissatisfaction from the status quo and social injustice?

"Hitting the Road" is the equivalent of ignoring or "giving up" on issues that effect every Thai and foreigner

that lives here. It is preposterious to suggest that foreigners should vote with their feet any more than it

is reasonable to suggest that Thais should "give up" on any perceived social inequality which they suffer.

Meaningful change in any society originates from within, regardless of our nationality or social statu

The people who are committed to Thailand for various reasons should remain but still support boycotting the Kingdome, along with every normal human being who defended morals, ethics, truth and justice, if we don't do that we are pissing against the wind, because nothing else is going to work. That's the harsh reality of it. Only the huff and puff brigade would disagree.

This complicity must go right to the top! Outrageous really that a country can stick two fingers up to the international community & get away with it. [ib]Only sanctions from the UK, and a tourist blacklist will make these creatures take any notice[/b]

Better yet, all expats pick up spouses and kids and leave for greener pastures. A mass exodus from expats on extended stay would raise the signal, not only a dent in tourism by westerners.

Excellent idea, so when do you plan to leave then ?

Expats with family and vested interests and obvious commitments can be excused, no reasonable minded person would expect them to up stick and go, on the other hand, they shouldn't be classed as hypocrites if they then still chose to boycott tourism to Thailand in any other way they chose, the loss of tourism and the obvious effects that would cause will be harder to bear than the loss of face. Logically, that's the only way the ordinary people are going to make a real difference and actually change the system in any meaningful way. that's the reality of it.

In the US, there is no 'statute of limitations' for murderers. In other words, even with decades-old 'cold cases' sometimes a diligent inspector will independently look closely at the evidence and be able to bring a suspect to justice. Couldn't happen in Thailand. There was the Saudi murders (cops were implicated, but couldn't be found guilty). There was the murdered Muslim lawyer from 10 years ago (cops were again implicated, but couldn't be found guilty), and there are others like that. If Thai officials can't do a decent job when the crime scene is new and 'hot' how can anyone expect them to do a better job, after a lot of time slips by? If there's no willingness to investigate the headman's people when evidence points at them, then there will be even less willingness later.

It's not as though Thai officials will all of a sudden become decent people and adept at crime investigations. Decency takes morals, and being adept at investigating takes studying/learning the best known methods (and tools) of investigative. It also takes 'thinking outside the box.' None of those attributes are apparent in Thai officials. This case proves that social status (of suspects) and payment of hush money far outweighs concerns for decency, honesty or professionalism.

Do they use hoes to dig holes in thailand? You've got oodles of common sense Boom, as far as I'm concerned, you're the man!

Other posters have pointed out that none of the hospitals that participated in the media show are accredited for criminal DNA testing, except the Police General Hospital's Institute of Forensic Medicine which many regard with suspicion for obvious reasons. But anyway these procedures were done privately by the hospitals on behalf of their client, the headman, with the police chief merely acting as MC at a private event. The media was not shown details of exactly what tests the hospitals were contracted to do or on what basis DNA found on the victim was provided to them, if at all. If the hospitals other than PGH are only certified for paternity DNA testing, perhaps that was all they were paid to do and all they are willing to do. It was odd that the results of the DNA testing revealed the staggering news that they were father and son but, there again, perhaps there was a good reason for that.

The media didn't question any of this and all the doctors and nurses from the different hospitals made for good pantomime, even if most are only capable of doing paternity testing.

Tthe highlighted text is the key to this whole mess. Because the DNA typing found on the female victim is held (tightly to the chests) only by top police official(s), then we (the general public) have to trust those same police officials, in order for the frame-up (and excused suspects) to fit perfectly. ha ha ha. I trust them as far as I can toss a grand piano with a baby elephant sitting on top.

What ever happened to the headman's DNA press conference?

For starters, there never would have been that silly DNA press conference (with top cops in attendance) if all the key players didn't know 100% in advance that the kid's DNA wouldn't match. I don't question the lab techies in that scenario, I QUESTION THE DNA TYPING FROM THE VICTIM - IT WAS COMPARED TO.

The second big message from that silly PR event, besides the head cop smirking in the background, was the announcement, by top Thai cops, that THE DNA TYPING FROM NOMSOD WOULD NOT BE SHARED WITH BRITISH EXPERTS. Reason: "They trust us, and know we're doing an excellent job, so we don't need to share DNA data with them." If that's not proof of cover-up / frame-up / shielding the headman's people, I don't know what would convince the status quo believers.

The British Government should press them on it and make request, if they make a request and sill they refuse it will be more grist to the mill of blatant corruption and injustice.

oh, a new theorist

do tell all that you seemingly know.......

staged?

which accounts for the brain splatter on the rocks where the body was found?

the last poster who came here with a cokeyed theory said it happened in her room, another distraction made up in someone's mind

How do you know they never hit her with the hoe afterwards? where did the hoe come from, it wasn't just lying around on the beach was it and you don't walk around in the early hours with one do you, there would have been a lot of noise. From what I understand the police are stations no far away, is that correct or not, I don't know for sure, I read it somewhere. Anything seems possible the way thing have gone, I can't imagine there not being one hell of commotion if it happened on the beach that early in the morning, they would have heard it for miles around. It would have been easier to smash David's head in than drag him into the water and drown him, a man his size would have put up one hell of a struggle. I know more than just a little bit about violence, that's not a brag!

they are harping on about corruption because tourismus down and corruptions been in the news lately for obvious reasons.

the reality is

no poster here is uncovering anything

Chris Ware has given detailed statements along with photos, of who was in the bar that night

Sean McAnna has also given, in depth statements to authorities

Sean McAnna has implicated the AC Bar owner,

Sean McAnna received a warning cut on his arm,

Sean McAnna posted pictures of two men who wanted to kill him,

NomSod can not verfiy his whereabout, in a real court of law,

NomSod's girlfreind posted all over her Instagram, ,for all the world to see, that NomSod was MIA for two days

HELLO!

ps/ U police have their own DNA from the girl,

and, they have DNA from David; apparently, they were not wearing gloves

here is your case

Perhaps I missed a news article, could you link me to an article which states Ware or Sean have given details to the UK police?

Why are you doubting the obvious and standard police operating procedure. ?

Standard operating procedure of the UKP, theres not only an official FO coroner inquest into the deaths but also an investigation of how and also a team investigating in Thailand. None of this can be done without full investigation and questioning of all who may have useful information, of course its been done.

Regarding Chris and indeed all the victims travelling companions/friends, they have all spoken to UKP at length and given detailed statements on their return home, Seans family have been in touch with the FO since the beginning of Seans incident ( stated on family FB page and request to stop asking questions by the home office in order it may put Sean in danger) Sean will also have been interviewed by the British authorities if they feel it relevant and are certainly in contact with Seans family and him further if needed.

It dosnt need a newpaper report to say how the basics of investigations are handled by UKP, this is just professional standard operating procedure of any decent police force.

Why do you bother making out this is not likely the case ?

That's all one hundred percent certain, the police did all their home work before they left the country, there's no doubt.

Message to the J's

Take a good long look at the picture of the heading and ask yourself. Do you really believe these 2 have been dealt with in a humane manner and are guaranteed a fair trial?

Your absolutely right, it "SPEAKS" for it self.

If Thai officials are maintaining a cover-up / frame-up / shielding the headman's family (all of which I strongly suspect they're doing), then they want Brit experts to do as little as possible. Hence shackling them with 'observer' status (not assisting) and Thais not sharing Nomsod's (or anyone else's) DNA profile, ....and probably not sharing other useful info.

I can understand Brit experts maintaining press silence, but it's a bit frustrating for those of us who would like updates. One possibility: even if Brits find evidence of a cover-up/frame-up by Thai officials, the Brits may opt for the diplomatic way out of the mess, and simply state something like, "Whereas we don't completely agree with the methods and findings of our fellow Thai investigators, we don't have enough hard data to refute their findings." If so, it won't be a completely honest assessment, but it will reflect diplomatic proclivities as they see them. Simply put: it's more important to maintain chummy relations with Thailand, than to gain justice for the murders/rape. In case anyone is in doubt: The Thai PM, and all his yes-men are on record as fully supporting the investigation. They've invested a lot of political stock in the status quo of the investigation being maintained. Proof of a cover-up would cause immediate cracks in their marble pedestals.

What would happen immediately (after a British claim of botched investigation) is Thai MP saying something like; "well, it's been two teams of investigators, each having a differing opinion." ....and hoping the general public soon loses interest, as it does so often in other high-profile criminal cases where Thai officials have screwed up.

BTW, JD and JTJ will never eat crow, no matter what transpires with this case. Even if it's proven to be be a botched frame up of the Burmese, the two RTP echoers will simply say something like; "all we ever wanted, all along, was justice." ...which wouldn't be true.

Your probably hitting the nail right on the head there, good fellow.

Dear All, it's done and not a thing can be said to change the outcome. Way too much face at stake here. Once again, injustice prevails and the best that happen for the Burmese boys, is a midnight bus to the border and told never to come back to Thailand. The worse case is they put them to death, and move on to the next fictionalized event...

It's not done until someone proves beyond doubt they have the real murderers. Until then there will be doubt by hundreds of thousands of people. These people all have friends and when they talk about their doubt that will massively affect this country!

Make that billions.........................I am now at a stage where I believe Thailand NEEDS to be massively affected. If the money supply from tourism was cut. The mafia would reduce in size. Thailand has to be known as a NOT SO HAPPY tourist destination!!

Excellent, if most people sheared you sentiment and put it into action something really constructive would be achieved and we would see real change, but sadly the majority of people are all huff and puff, like the big bad wolf.