Sviss Geez

I love this part. "He is a friend of the motorcycle gang. They often go drinking together."

Who is writing the news now, a buffoon?

Well, there's certainly a buffoon posting about it.

Tell me the last time you heard a story of someone saying, "I smoked so much weed, that I beat up a cop".

How is alcohol legal, and weed not? It boggles my mind. BOGGLES.

Tell me the last time you heard a story when someone said "I smoked so much crack that I beat up a cop". How is alcohol legal and crack not? Same logic.

You're very easily boggled.

Caused by fatigue. No, caused by inept driver not resting when knows he's fatigued. And injuries exacerbated by no seat belts. Just like drunk drivers thinking they will defy the odds of causing accident. Idiots, plain and simple.

Seat belts were being used, plain and simple.

Amazing Thaivisa!!

An OP reporting about 4 Thai's killed is instantly turned into yet another Thai bashing thread.

Posters almost tripping over each other to get to the keyboard in their eager to spew their venom on Thailand and anything Thai related!!

Some very strange passengers on board this ship.....................

Maybe you should have made your "no blaming or bashing" demand on this thread also.

"Some very strange passengers on board this ship..."

Intellectual stowaways.

A few years ago I had a similar experience, with the exception the Thai motor-bike rider did not die. He did brake both legs.

After going for my insurance company for untold compensation, which he did not get, the end of the story is I got 2 years jail. My lawyer got the sentence suspended for 2 years.

The motor-bike rider pulled straight out in front of me, but in court, being a foreigner, I was slaughtered. My legal costs were not small. My eventual fine was minute. I had my passport confiscated, which meant I was unable to leave Thailand.

I had the floor wiped up with me. Why ? Because I was a foreigner. Was on a hiding for nothing from the moment of impact. The police dealt with the matter in a very 2-faced way.

As a regular car driver here, this worries me a lot. I have always believed stuff like this to be one of the many myths about living in Thailand. 2 years in jail, even if suspended, and confiscating a passport seems excessive for breaking someone's legs. Were your lawyers in on it?

Maybe not on this thread, but I'd like to read a more detailed account of your unfortunate experience. Did you post it here?

Amongst several other reasons....the possible accident reason is the one main reason I have never even given thought about owning and or driving a Motor Vehicle here in Thailand.

Basically ( IF ) you do have an accident with a Thai person you are going to be held accountable regardless of the circumstances and or who did what and or what actually happened and who is at fault.

If the Thai person does not have insurance then who will be paying??

If the Thai person did have insurance then the Thai drivers insurance company will be thinking the foreigners insurance company should pay....even if the Thai driver was at fault ..and no doubt about it and obvious to everyone...the foreigner should pay.

If the foreigner has Thai company motor vehicle insurance then there is a good chance his insurance company will not cover him and think the same as everyone else....the foreigner should pay.

I would go so far as to say that if you were simply the passenger in a motor vehicle accident there is a very real chance they would try to hold you accountable in some manner.....and or try to make you part with your money...because you were there...that is why.

Do you (like Pattaya28) have personal experience of this or are you relating the commonly expressed view that the farang is alway to blame, irrespective of fault?

"...the one main reason I have never even given thought about owning and or driving a Motor Vehicle here in Thailand."

He just has no idea what he is talking about.

As expected some people here want to blame everything on Thai, but it doesn't matter whether or not rider cut in front of him, in this case Police will determine that Brit is at fault. It is very obvious that he was driving above the speed limit. Just like every other fatal crash case, they will conclude that if the Brit had not broken any traffic laws/regulations (speed limit in this case), he would had enough time to apply brakes avoid the collision. When a car got into an accident with motorcycle or pedestrian, it will almost always be driver's fault. Unless if you can prove that you didn't violate any traffic regulations and there was nothing can be done to avoid it, which is very difficult. All drivers including Thais and farangs always violate something, especially driving above the speed limit and cross solid white line.

More ill-informed,speculative nonsense.

Please wait for all the information, that we probably will never get. The family drove all that way just for merit making? Was the driver, either driver drunk? Any witness statements from other people on the scene?

"The family drove all that way just for merit making?

Was the driver, either driver drunk?

Any witness statements from other people on the scene?"

Why not wait for all the information instead of fuelling the rumour fire?

A tragic accident.

Please no blame games or Thai bashing.

Why are you trying to make rules for this thread in particular, you don't seem to be bothered by the bashing and blaming that goes on in every other thread?

Thais make big news with a tortoise bust while car bombs are being exploded in tourist shopping malls and the Thai police don't have a clue.

They've already changed the motive from ' political ' to ' local business or political conflict '.

That's what happens in ongoing investigations and, by definition, until the person responsible is caught the police will never know what the motive is.

Thais make big news with a tortoise bust while car bombs are being exploded in tourist shopping malls and the Thai police don't have a clue.

This report is not "big news" as you put it, it is is a minor news item not carried anywhere else except Thaivisa.

Currently no "bombs are being exploded in tourist shopping malls", and you have no up to date idea of the progress of the police investigation. The ones that don't have a clue are you and, of course, your ever faithful brown-nosing liker.

Do you wake up each day thinking "how can I denigrate the Thai people in general or the Thai police force in particular today"?

Not exactly, crime of the century!

Not exactly post of the century.

We really don't need this reported. A small obituary would be more fitting.

Death is the only guaranteed thing after birth and it will come to us all one day. Can't report them all,so why report this one .....slow news day again.

Using your inane logic why report anything then?

Would it be possible just once for people to wait for the results of an autopsy before choosing sides?

I agree but that won't happen. The bar stool detection unit will be working on this one as they do with every other farang death out here.

I understand your point and agree. But to be fair as you claim for yourself- this fire is constantly fed by incompetent cops and laissez-faire attitude when thorough police investigation is needed. Every action has a reaction.

This "fire" is not fed by "incompetent cops and laissez faire attitude" it is fed by ignorant people like you who over-generalise about the Thai police force and criticise at every available oportunity.

Strange there is a loan scheme which would cover her.

Why is it strange and which loan scheme is it that you say exists for students in this situation?

"said the girl asked him to form a committee to monitor the spending from the bank account to make it transparent." She did? Really?

That's what it said, yes, really.

no picture of the girl ? no link to were to send funds ... have to go digg for the whole story on another site?

"She promised not to touch the scholarship money."

but stepdaddy might

Why would you want a picture of the girl? If you really wanted to contribute finding out how to isn't at all difficult and you wouldn't be complaining about it you'd just get on with it.

Wait until AFTER Songkran and the calls for conservation will likely start.

What is much more likely than that is that rain will start falling after Songkran, it always does.

its surprising how fast bad news moves [ shortage of water] this was a topic mentioned in an earlier news flash the problem is they don't seem to take into account the increase of tourists .

Read the OP again and you will see that the tourist numbers are considered.

One reason that perceived bad news travels fast is that some people (like you) keep mentioning it when it isn't a problem. Your bad information is then passed on by other ill-informed and gullible people .

We are having to monitor the water situation very closely, but we are not facing a water shortage, he said.

so why do you need to monitor it very closely then..

Because that is part of his job and it if wasn't monitored no-one would ever know if there was going to be a shortage.

simple, no ?

how did she afford 22 assets worht 300 million baht ?

did she work 300 years for a 1 million baht salary ?

or 30 years for a 10 million baht salary ?

or 3 years for a 100 million baht salary ?

It may or may not apply in this case, I din't know, neither do you, but have you never heard of inheritances, or making good investments? Just because someone's salary is less than the value of their assets doesn't necessarily make them a criminal.

Does work permit let you run a central Pataya bar?

Clown. But, yes, owning a bar is not a prohibited profession. Neither is managing a bar.

Of course, you'll still be required to drive your 1100 cc Yamaha on the shoulder with the 110cc Waves and scooters.

As of course you should have to, just because you have a different licence should not make you exempt from the law. When I'm driving my car I still have to observe the same laws as Camry and Accord drivers even thought their engines may be smaller.

Great idea if it means that big bikes can go on other roads too. Not just extra tests also extra rights.

no more idiot left lane stuff ect..

Id gladly do the test then.

Why do you think you should have rights that others don't have based solely on the displacement of your bike's engine? Nonsense.

Most young kids can't afford a big bike, and they ride these little 125cc bikes like greased lightning anyway...

People that I know that can afford big bikes are usually older, have had a few bikes and are more careful.

...but I see his logic, and personally, I think it's in the right direction.

I also see his logic. BIB will be able to pull over every big bike they see. They will know that big bike drivers have more money. No special license? That will cost you 1000 baht! Great money making scheme for the BIB. They won't have to squeeze 100 baht from the kids riding without helmets from now on and that means less work for more money.

I don't think big bikes have higher accident rates in Thailand. If there was such a study, I might support the proposed licensing law. But, this is Thailand and I know they don't compile accident report statistics. Otherwise. a lot of hazardous road conditions would have been fixed by now.

Why do you think the big bike riders would be riding without a proper license? BB riders are most of the time (!!!) properly geared and have better riding skills which in the most cases (!!!) translates into bigger brains.

I'd expect there will be a transition phase to allow the current BB riders to switch over to a new license.

Bloody hell, now they're being elevated to a position were they have a special designation, "BBs"! Maybe all other bikes should be LBs.

" BB riders are most of the time (!!!) properly geared and have better riding skills which in the most cases (!!!) translates into bigger brains."

That's the weirdest logic I've heard for a long time. Rather flawed, not to say full of yourself, to say the least.

If riders with this license can then use these big bikes on the tollways, it is definitely a good thing.

No it's not because you lot who seem to think you are special will only make driving on tollways potentially more hazardous. And if bikes are allowed on tollways then many riders irrespective of engine size will take illegal advantage of the regulation as I would not think toll collectors will be in a position to determine the specific engine size of any one bike.