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These are low-skill jobs which attract low salaries.

If you consider these jobs as "normal" I'm not surprised that you perceive a THB65K-job in Thailand as a very well paid one.

We just don't share the same values

Doesn't matter what "values" you and i have as matter of a fact is that 65K baht a month is a very good salary in Thailand.

You don't seem to know that an university graduate nurse first salary in Sweden is something like 23K SEK a month. Even the first salary for someone with B. Sc. in IT is around 27-29K depending on how good you are at negotiating. So i could as well have added nurse and junior programmer to the "normal worker" list.

To compare the 65K baht a month to Sweden your salary would have to be something like 100K SEK a month and very few people in Sweden have that kind of salary. Just as very few people in Thailand have 65K a month.

Jesus.

You could tell this joke in Thai to your neighbors:

"Jesus and Buddha went in to a bar to get a drink......"

Yes you will still get stabbed afterwards but at least you will know why

They won't laugh because essentially it's just putting Thais down.

Something that happens a lot on here.

No, they wont laugh as most thais have absolutely terrible sense of humor.

There is a very good reason to why there is a distinction between "modern/western medicine" and "everything else".

People can believe what they want but believing things like "avoiding certain people" will do you any good or bad is just plain ignorant. And i use ignorant lightly as stronger words aren't allowed on this forum.

See, that's what I was talking about.

Just because you have a pretty good idea that something is likely to be true, and that it's counterintuitive to think otherwise....in FACT there is no proof that avoiding certain people is useful OR useless.

So you believe in pink unicorns. Like they say in Thailand: up to you

There is a very good reason to why there is a distinction between "modern/western medicine" and "everything else".

People can believe what they want but believing things like "avoiding certain people" will do you any good or bad is just plain ignorant. And i use ignorant lightly as stronger words aren't allowed on this forum.

Open your mind dude.

People like you

used to laugh hen others suggested the world was round.

No, i'm on the "the world i round" team and you are on the "the world is flat" team.

There is a very good reason to why there is a distinction between "modern/western medicine" and "everything else".

People can believe what they want but believing things like "avoiding certain people" will do you any good or bad is just plain ignorant. And i use ignorant lightly as stronger words aren't allowed on this forum.

Could you develop your concept of "normal worker" a little bit?

You guys are really delusional if you think 65K isn't enough in Thailand... it's not far from what a normal worker in Sweden gets in their hand after taxes.

Mail man, bus driver, McDonalds, cleaner.

What i would do with that kind of money is buy land in my childrens name, build about 50 rooms for rent, make an usufruct for everything and enjoy saving the money for renting the rooms for my children when i die.

You would have to put it in another Thai name first, do the usufruct then transfer it into your child's name, it cannot be done after it is in a child's name

If that is the case then i would just put it in my childrens name. No way i would trust any other thai to have their name on any document for a nano second.

You guys are really delusional if you think 65K isn't enough in Thailand... it's not far from what a normal worker in Sweden gets in their hand after taxes.

Really, if the numbers below are to be believed (and I think they are), average Swedish net salary per months is at least three that amount.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage

http://www.mi.se/lonestatistik/

The link "genomsnittslöner 2014" on the left gives you a PDF where you can see that a "worker" (Arbetare) gets about 27 200 kr (for men, 24 400 for women) BEFORE taxes in Sweden. After taxes it's about 20 500 kr for men, around 18 500 for women. So yeah, 65K baht (about 16 000-16 500 kr right now) is not "far from what a normal worker" gets. Even taking into account the 10% tax in Thailand for that salary (i think) it's still not very far away. Consider also that a normal shitty ghetto apartment in Sweden is atleast 25K baht each month all the while you can get a pretty damn nice apartment in Bangkok for 15-20K.

Note that "kommuner" (municipality) employed are not that much better paid compared to "worker". Last time i checked the "kommuner och landsting" (municipality and county/region) employees were over a million people out of something like 5 million work force.

So yeah, to think that 65K baht each month in Thailand isn't enough or a very good salary INSIDE THAILAND is just delusional.

*edit*

And the average net salary in Thailand? Is it even 10K each month?

You guys are really delusional if you think 65K isn't enough in Thailand... it's not far from what a normal worker in Sweden gets in their hand after taxes.

I wondering about if i buy a condo in my childs name (dual citizen of which one is thai and underaged) but i stay in the condo who is actually supposed to do the so called "report to immigration before 24 hours"?

I have 2 year temp. licenses for car and motorcycle that i got 30th march 2015 (and end 30th march 2017). Can i turn them into 5 year drivers license after one year (march 2016) or do i have to wait util 2017? If i do have to wait until 2017 how long before the expire do i need to visit the department of transportation to get 5 year licenses? And what if i'm not in Thailand when the licenses expire, do i have to do all the tests again and get new temp. licenses?

With 10m baht, I could finally marry my girlfriend, who I love more than anything. I've been wondering for a long time how I'll be able to afford her dowry. She is from a really good family.

dow·ry

noun

noun: dowry; plural noun: dowries

1. property or money brought by a bride to her husband on their marriage.

God, how I wish that were true. I've asked my dad to loan me money to pay her dowry, but he absolutely refuses because he's too old and white and intolerant. He told me in very racist terms that dowries are retarded and that if a culture is going to be so ignorant and uncivilized as to continue the practice, the dowry should always go to the man for having to put up with the woman for the rest of his life. I tend to agree with my dad on most things, but he doesn't understand love (he's borderline autistic).

Well your dad is right.

It is retarded, ignorant and uncivilized to continue a "hey-here-is-money-for-your-daughter" tradition and on that note, love has nothing to do with "sin sod". Oh yeah almost forgot, it's not racist to criticize cultural traditions.

What i would do with that kind of money is buy land in my childrens name, build about 50 rooms for rent, make an usufruct for everything and enjoy saving the money for renting the rooms for my children when i die.

The shoebox condos that are selling for 500,000 baht are rented for less than 5000. I see condos like that on ramkhamheang being rented for 2000-3000 baht. Outside Bangkok it would be less.

I can tell you that in Ubon some smelly 4*4 meters shoebox room (you know the thai style rooms) is atleast 2000 baht to rent and that does not include water nor electricity. To not get more for a 5*5 meters showbox condo would be quite strange.

I need to contact a thai person about something and i'm wondering if "Panjamaporn" is a surname or not. The "porn" in the name suggests to me that it's first name but better to ask...

I get the impression that kids here in Thailand in the lower and possibly upper grades of primrary school are actually ahead of their peers in developed Western countires due to the old school emphasis on disicipline and rote learning. Somewhere along the way though this must become counterproductive as global school rankings bear out.

My guess is a dysfunctional secondary school system and a lack of mental stimulation in the home and society in general causes Thai kids to fall behind their peers in other countries.

Certainly not ahead in anything else but standing neatly in line singing the national anthem and kings song.

Look at Facebook of some Thai teenagers, especially from poor families, doing met, driving drunken, selling sex ...

parents see, teachers see, their friends see ... no one cares.

What interest me more is that I've seen here in Thailand many times farang, all-female groups drinking in night clubs, parting on beach ... July-September, Christmas, beginning of the year. Obviously drunken, *high* and almost naked. Young individuals, 20 years old, students.

Who pay for that, their parents, or do they have some extra money from last summer job?

Guys and nightlife in Thailand, ok ... but girls? I mean ... What's gonna be next?

What's wrong with girls partying?

Is it only exclusive to males?

I think your gripe is that it's all farang groups partying themselves silly something like "your" women aren't allowed to do that but only the men.

Of course i am sure your interracial relations only work one way as well where it's only farang males with thai ladies or ladies of another ethnic group but not farang females.

This type of thinking is very very similar to a particular religion where the women have to be covered from head to toe but the men can do whatever they please.

And who says a 55 kg 170 cm man-boylet is any "tougher" than a equally large female. I mean, surely both of them are just as bad at defending themself if the occasion did rise for such things.

if you're implying that thai men are that size and height well then you're in for a shock because not all of them are that tall or that light. In fact it's funny why you would mention this at all because men of the same size as a woman are stronger than her.

See you're writing gibberish.

Yawn... did you try your very hardest to misunderstand? Next time try to jump out of the "SJW liberal box" and understand that just because someone writes "170 cm 55 kg" it doesn't mean ALL are that height nor weight.

But generally a normal built western man is 10-15 cm taller and 10-25 kg heavier than normal built thai man. You can't get tall people by eating proteinless crap like som tam and 50 grams of chicken a day.

If a woman and a male roughly the equal height and weight (lets say 165 cm and 60 kg to make you "happy") and without any training in martial arts/defending themself happened to be in a situation where two or more assailants were coming at them then they would be equally screwed.

At the risk of repeating myself and duplicating other posts, N20 is like other incapacitating drugs like booze, and also lethal.

http://pattayadailynews.com/inhaling-laughing-gas-balloons-could-be-fatal/

So, is it responsible to wait around until someone dies in Thailand? (Can't find a story....yet!). Guaranteed to happen before the end of the year.

Breathing is lethal in the long run. Drinking too much water is lethal. Eating extreme amounts of protein can be very dangerous. Taking a shower can be lethal. Walking on the side walk can be lethal. If one person would "miraculously" die from this it would be like someone winning lottery, getting striken by lightning and Thailand turning into republic the exact same moment.

Utter nonsense. There are currently on average 3 deaths per year in the UK from NO2. Yes, it is a relatively safe drug, but it still can kill through it's missuse. The hyper ventilating seen by many users is actually the cause of problems, if the drug was used as in the hopital there would be no casualties but the users try to get increasing effects by decreasing the oxygen in their brain through hyperventilating the air inside the balloon. The oxygen is quickly replaced by carbon dioxide resulting in silmilar effects to the NO2 but can result in hypoxia and occasionally death.

Drinking water might kill you[1]. Don't know the average deaths from too much water each year in the UK but wouldn't surprise me if it was more than 3.

[1] https://goo.gl/RGMdHl

I've read this posts with some interest, primarily because the only real reasons I have seen for living in Thailand seem to be cost of living, weather and women. Based on a lot of farangs I have met, they were unhappy people in their own country, they couldn't get a decent relationship (and confuse paying for a relationship versus what they considered was "true love" back home), and many are just running from their bleak lives. Not to bash farangs here, but I hear terms such as "freedom" but no one really seems to be able to define it, especially by providing some "freedom" they did not have at home. Now, some farangs have more money than others, and I understand how getting a much nicer home makes sense, but as a single person I really don't need more than a studio. Most people have multiple negatives, but very few specific positives that really differ that much from home. The issues I see people have had in their own country (exclude weather) are not comparable to living in Thailand, because you did not live a comparable lifestyle. I think a lot of the "freedom" here is just that because we are foreigners, we just don't care about what happens around us, although you could do the same in your own country. I read a lot about how Thais are helpful but people "back home" won't lift a finger to help. Personally I don't buy into that, I've found people in most areas to be pretty helpful. My best example is back home, if you were eating a meal and a rat ran across your foot, you would have a fit, maybe even try to sue the owners, or call the health department. Here you just say "TIT" and continue munching. Ask yourself why is that ok in Thailand, but you wouldn't like it in your own country. Is it that your expectations have dropped so much (i.e. freedom) because this is a 'developing' country? I can't say much about relationships and the inability for people to find a woman back home. But I believe if you lived the same lifestyle here back home, things would be similar. For the most part, since not very many of us speak or read Thai well, we just kind of wander through life here oblivious to our surroundings. We could walk right under a banner that said "farangs suck" and not even notice, and therefore we don't care. I don't mind Thailand, it's certainly no paradise, but I'll be moving back home because I can live for the same monthly amount, I can enjoy a much better infrastructure and traffic control, and I don't have a rat running across my foot (although I guess for some that's part of the exotic side of Thailand). And, if I have a heart attack, I can all paramedics who will arrive timely, be trained to assist, and probably save my life rather than have 30 people standing around taking camera photos while the police leave me alone to direct traffic. There are some things I like here, but the majority of "happy" people here seem to be that way due to their woman (or women), and it's unfortunate that back home they couldn't find the same. Just easier to buy, rent or employ here (and yes, if you are paying her some monthly money, she's pretty much considered "employed" by Thai thoughts. You are paying her to take care of you, it's just much cheaper to do so here (as I'm not saying finances are a major part of any relationship)). Much easier to find someone that likes you when the average monthly wage is 12,000 baht, and that ATM and future security looks pretty nice. I'm just trying to be honest here, not bash. I know one guy here that rants and raves about his home politics, gets all worked up over it. He doesn't even live in that country anymore, so why bother. We rarely get into Thai politics, and you certainly can ignore your home politics. Again, comparable living, especially mentally. You don't try to "keep up with the Jones" over here, and you don't need to in your home country, but most of us do. Sorry for the long post

About the rat...

If you do not speak thai well enough it would be pointless, like talking to a rock, to explain the issue. If you do speak thai well enough then the reaction would be that of an ostrich. Even if you called the health department no one would show up.

That is very reason us white monkeys just do not care about a rat in Thailand. And it's basicly only in USA where someone would sue a restaurant (or whatever) because of a rat. Furthermore, in many thai-thai couples the wife "takes care" of the salaries, is that "employment"?

I think you missed the point. Things that you would not accept in your home country are often accepted in Thailand....the reasoning is that things in Thailand can be "forgiven". It is a mental projection, and if you had the same thought process in your home country, much of what bothered you there really wouldn't. Similar to people that speak of the lax laws and hating the "rules" back home. Honestly, do you really live that differently here? Besides driving, I don't see many farangs "disobeying" laws. Oh, and although the wife can take care of the salaries, if the man is giving her a stipend, then basically it is employment. Not saying it is similar in other countries, just that the expectations can be different. The western notion of "love" over here is far less a basis for a relationship, IMHO. That's a more general statement, I'm not including everyone. I doubt that bar girl really loves that farang she just met a week ago, but she sees opportunity, and she'll behave nicely to retain that (sometimes, lol). And yes, the US is litigation friendly, but that is fine with me. Personally I would prefer to not have a rat running around, but if it doesn't bother me here, it shouldn't bother me back home (that's the point).

Didn't miss the point.

I don't accept a rat regardless where i am and i assume most people feel the same. My point was that it's pointless to complain about anything in Thailand as nothing would be done about the issue i was complaining about. If i complained about a rat in Sweden i guarantee you that the health department would immediatelly shut the restaurant down. In Thailand nothing would happen. Or well... something would happen if my name was "Poptartporn Ramalamadingdongfling" and i was a well known thai person with "connections" and millions/billions in the bank.

You are still giving Thais more credit than they deserve, car design is an international effort but sadly Thais are not included in any of that effort, they are just the muscle behind it not the brains. So I don't understand why you are still pushing this point.

We are probably are on the same page regarding to the failures in the government.

Agree with your point 5, that is why I keep on insisting education is a failure by everyones standards, not just mine.

You mentioned suicide rates, yet there are as many developed countries with less, and no reason why Thailand can't be like the other half.

I have Thai blood and I grew up in the country side, my understanding could not get any more clear.

I think your understanding of Thais is based on what you want, not what Thais want. Cheap food and booze and a laid back place to live, correct? :-)

Then tell us what's so special about thai peoples needs (wants) as i'm pretty sure most thai people want the same stuff as western people do: financial security (which includes anything related to work), able to travel freely inside and outside of their nation, democracy (not sure about that in Thailand) and so on.

Well here's one for a start,

imagine having to work with someone who makes ten times more than you do? Don't take it personal.

A normal person would think "who cares how much someone has in salary and even if i cared why would i treat that person badly because of it".

Crab in the bucket syndrome.

Not many Thais are happy.

Can't say I blame them for that to be honest. Many if not most have horrid lives with no hope of progression. Some just deal with it better than others. Most don't deal with it very well.

What is so horrid about their life? When they only look 24 hours ahead

24 hours? Thought it was more like "what time do we eat next time?"

This is pathetic criticising the language because it has tones and non one uses it. Language evolves just like animals, its the equivalent of saying we might as well stop trying to preserve remaining forest in indonesia for orangotangs cos there are only a couple of hundred left.

English language evolves and continues to evolve since England colonised much of the world the language evolves, we now have american English evolving in the american colonies, Philipino English, Argentinian English, the English used in India so all the Indian tribes can communicate in a common tounge.

now the tonal languages are important for a number of reasons, one being the way one needs to think to be able to speak, ask any scholar of canton, mandarin or other dialects, the way of thinking that goes with the language leads to different ways to tackle problems etc.

since England once dominated the world and English became the dominant langauage of business and is still spoken wihtin many of the colonies, ( Australian too, a far bigger landmass than the US, Canada etc - though not the French speaking bits) now perhaps as napolean once said the sleeping giant will dominate the world and we will all need to speak tonal languages when China dominates and perhaps colonises places as Englands colonies have

meant to be sleeping bear not giant, but same difference

Colonies eh? You don't seem to know that for instance USA has been an independant nation for something like 230 years now. And the english "possessions" in the new world was a joke compared to Portugal, Spain and France around 1750.

"Do Thai people enjoy putting each other down?"

Yes they do.

I've read this posts with some interest, primarily because the only real reasons I have seen for living in Thailand seem to be cost of living, weather and women. Based on a lot of farangs I have met, they were unhappy people in their own country, they couldn't get a decent relationship (and confuse paying for a relationship versus what they considered was "true love" back home), and many are just running from their bleak lives. Not to bash farangs here, but I hear terms such as "freedom" but no one really seems to be able to define it, especially by providing some "freedom" they did not have at home. Now, some farangs have more money than others, and I understand how getting a much nicer home makes sense, but as a single person I really don't need more than a studio. Most people have multiple negatives, but very few specific positives that really differ that much from home. The issues I see people have had in their own country (exclude weather) are not comparable to living in Thailand, because you did not live a comparable lifestyle. I think a lot of the "freedom" here is just that because we are foreigners, we just don't care about what happens around us, although you could do the same in your own country. I read a lot about how Thais are helpful but people "back home" won't lift a finger to help. Personally I don't buy into that, I've found people in most areas to be pretty helpful. My best example is back home, if you were eating a meal and a rat ran across your foot, you would have a fit, maybe even try to sue the owners, or call the health department. Here you just say "TIT" and continue munching. Ask yourself why is that ok in Thailand, but you wouldn't like it in your own country. Is it that your expectations have dropped so much (i.e. freedom) because this is a 'developing' country? I can't say much about relationships and the inability for people to find a woman back home. But I believe if you lived the same lifestyle here back home, things would be similar. For the most part, since not very many of us speak or read Thai well, we just kind of wander through life here oblivious to our surroundings. We could walk right under a banner that said "farangs suck" and not even notice, and therefore we don't care. I don't mind Thailand, it's certainly no paradise, but I'll be moving back home because I can live for the same monthly amount, I can enjoy a much better infrastructure and traffic control, and I don't have a rat running across my foot (although I guess for some that's part of the exotic side of Thailand). And, if I have a heart attack, I can all paramedics who will arrive timely, be trained to assist, and probably save my life rather than have 30 people standing around taking camera photos while the police leave me alone to direct traffic. There are some things I like here, but the majority of "happy" people here seem to be that way due to their woman (or women), and it's unfortunate that back home they couldn't find the same. Just easier to buy, rent or employ here (and yes, if you are paying her some monthly money, she's pretty much considered "employed" by Thai thoughts. You are paying her to take care of you, it's just much cheaper to do so here (as I'm not saying finances are a major part of any relationship)). Much easier to find someone that likes you when the average monthly wage is 12,000 baht, and that ATM and future security looks pretty nice. I'm just trying to be honest here, not bash. I know one guy here that rants and raves about his home politics, gets all worked up over it. He doesn't even live in that country anymore, so why bother. We rarely get into Thai politics, and you certainly can ignore your home politics. Again, comparable living, especially mentally. You don't try to "keep up with the Jones" over here, and you don't need to in your home country, but most of us do. Sorry for the long post

About the rat...

If you do not speak thai well enough it would be pointless, like talking to a rock, to explain the issue. If you do speak thai well enough then the reaction would be that of an ostrich. Even if you called the health department no one would show up.

That is very reason us white monkeys just do not care about a rat in Thailand. And it's basicly only in USA where someone would sue a restaurant (or whatever) because of a rat. Furthermore, in many thai-thai couples the wife "takes care" of the salaries, is that "employment"?