Asheron

So, What has happen to that EU policy of "open Boarders"? Found out that it is still each country for it self eh ?

It's "open borders" for EU citizens and people with Schengen visas, not the entire world.

Are you saying that being gay is a mental problem?

Is being hetero a mental "problem"? Why of course it is, what else would it be? Surely your left pinky toe nail or your kidney doesn't define you as gay/hetero/whatever.

This is a worse case scenario/outcome as to why you should NEVER get into an argumment with Thais. Usualy they know when they are in the wrong, as they go all quiet and say nothing. They don't do 'sorry' as it's not in their DNA. Reasoning? Forget it.

I would suggest this awful incident would have never happened if alcohol was banned at future Songkran celebrations.

I live in CM and stayed indoors over the Songkran as i can see the writing on the wall if things go pear shaped. Btw some Thais don't like Songkran and have told me they stay indoors to prevent a 'problem'.

Ban booze (during the Songkran - where there are large gatherings) and this would have not happened.

I hope the guttersnipe responsible for this get long custodial sentences (they would have lost millions of baht in revenue for Thailand's tourism industry as the images are flashed around all four corners of the globe). Maybe they should spend the rest of thier lives getting full time employment and paying back the lost revenue to their country? Although Thai men aren't what you would call hard workers, so i can't see them being employed.

So almost all much suffer from a ban booze because there is a small minority of idiots in Thailand? My followup question: what other authoritarian ideas do you like?

Again the word "farang" was used in above news article. This, in itself, is an insult.

Also noticed no specific charges mentioned. As mentioned before, repeatedly kicking someone in head is attempted murder, drunk or not drunk.

I have found over the years, a number of Thais are very confrontational when it comes to foreigners. They seem to wish to fight. I have started to

see on the roads, windows go down and middle finger comes out. Never saw this before.

I have lived in many countries and never seen foreigners mistreated like they are here, from immigration, dual pricing and many other matters.

I do not like this situation and have actively started to seek another country once my employment tenure ends here.

The word "farang" just means "caucasian". It is no more insulting than the word "asian" is in our language.

Asian can mean arab, indian, kazakstanian, japanese, aboriginal etc. Closest word for farang comparably would be "negro".

Sorry for the British family attacked in Hua-Hin, but i don't give a generalized view on all Thais. British learn how to speak few Thai words, and to learn how to smile to people, and greet them or apologize when there is situation.

Life is not just you expect somone behave good to you, first you keep yours right first. Even bad person will think twice doing something bad on you.

Songkran is bad timing for anything including finding food to eat. No wonder Police are out of service on that day. Most Thai's are friendly and care foreigners during Songran celebrations for sure.

In my 12 years of stay, this is first time heard foreigner attacked during Songran.

If it's the first time you heard in 12 years then maybe you should open your Internet browser more often than once a decade?

It is their first offence. Even they did a terrible thing. A first offence for assault does not carry a prison sentence. Not only in Thailand, but all western countries also. So when everyone hears that they got a fine and a 4 month suspended sentence, don't be complaining that they got special treatment, because victims were foreigner. This is the standard sentence, including in our countries.

I can promise you that assaulting someone like this will lead to a prison sentence in most western nations. It wont be long but it most definately wont be suspended.

Seems to me, after 14 years of living here, that there are many Thai's who care about foreigners - like the big guy in the stripped shirt (video) who tried to intercede but had to retreat . But there is an ugly underbelly of Thai's who resent foreigners and will not pass up an opportunity to punch and kick the "hand that feeds them" . This is the old 80/20 principle once again .... 80% of Thai's care about how foreigners see them and make an effort to be friendly and welcoming. But 20% are too lazy to make their own way in life and lash out at those who they envy. But that 20% gets 80% of the news coverage and gives Thailand a Black Eye (pardon the pun).

And the "20%" is why i minimize any and all contacts with thai men in tourist areas.

the world has come to a very sad state when individual countries think they have to start building fences to keep people out.

And how would you keep the masses out?

By helping them develop their own economies through education and scientific support

In other words: it's the white mans burden to educate and support the world?

It is interesting that Israel, one of the world's leading experts and exporters of security systems, never seems to install CCTV at these sensitive checkpoints or equip 2 or 3 IDF at each with tamper proof body cams as other armies and police forces around the world do.

Would be great PR for them if they did, and go some way to defending the individual actions of the soldiers on the spot in these controversial extra judicial executions. But there's an obvious reason why they do not.

Most armies that use body/helmet cams do so for operational purposes, less so for possible legal and PR issues. There is no way for an occupation army to win a media battle, regardless of actions taken. Regular checkpoints are equipped with CCTV systems.

Is not the occupation of the West Bank operational purposes? Don't police worldwide wear body cams for exactly this reason...to provide incontrovertible proof? Perhaps there would not then be such a gap between "what happened", and what "you imagine happened". You are trying to defend the indefensible.

I look forward to the release of the CCTV footage. But I am not holding my breath.

Off topic: No they don't, a very small number of police forces wear body cams worldwide.

On topic: If you do not obey the commands of soldiers at a check point you should be very well aware that it might very well lead to you having something like 6 feet of earth on top of you. And to say stuff like "oh they spoke hebrew so she didn't understand" is just bizarre... if soldiers at a check point with raised or ready rifles spoke klingon to me i would "get" their message.

The boy had a knife.

the soldiers had bullet proof vests and machine guns.

the boy was shot with 7 bullets

And i guess as always we will hear the same excuse from Israel.

"we claim the right to protect our self"

i see no difference between the Israeli army and the Terrorists they are claiming to protect them self from......

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So let me get this straight...

When "the evil white men" illegally went to Africa etc and took their resources it was "colonialism" but when the exact same thing happens to Europe it's "immigration"?

Gotcha!

Great example of thai racism.

Quite amazing the amount of posters here that think this WON'T be the case. At this point I'm calling troll on a number of them.

Who in their right mind would vote Republican? -snip-

Not vote Republican, vote to:

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5. Get some control of the crazy debt and deficits. There's massive waste and fraud.

All over America there are empty and deteriorating factories and the neighborhoods they supported are deteriorating. They used to provide good jobs and can do it again. Even truck drivers and cab drivers who used to shuttle to those places understand what's happened.

Democrats understand what's happened. Women and minorities understand it.

Hillary is toast. She a huge part of the problem - a woman who's lived of the government and Wall Street all her life. Wait until she gets the wrath of Trump.

Cheers.

Do you even know that Trump has proposed a massive tax cut that hugely favors the wealthy?

"Donald Trump’s tax plan would cut federal revenue by $9.5 trillion over a decade and boost the after-tax incomes of the wealthiest households by an average of more than $1.3 million a year, according to an analysis released Tuesday."

"The gains are highly concentrated among the highest-income households, which would get a bigger percentage of the tax cuts than the share of taxes they pay now."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/analysis-of-trumps-tax-plan-shows-big-cuts-in-taxes-federal-revenue-1450807194

Definitely a champion of the working wan.

Do you even know that the wealthy already overwhelmingly "pay" (robbed) more than any other "group"? I bet you didn't.

Need biology lessons?

If conception only occurred because of the use of a chemical, how is that natural?

So Viagra creates sperme?

I think it's you who needs a biology lesson.

Nope, clearly you do.

Asheron the two are kind of intertwined no?

And raising a kid is more of an anthropological endeavour.

Intertwined how exactly?

Is a kid created via the use of Viagra unnatural?

Need biology lessons?

If conception only occurred because of the use of a chemical, how is that natural?

So Viagra creates sperme?

Is a kid created via the use of Viagra unnatural?

Need biology lessons?

I rarely post on TV anymore but reading this thread has got my back up. I consider myself a "family man" and as such I'm delighted with the result of this court case as a child will now be raised by 2 people who are obviously totally devoted to her. Bravo

You are right, but the kid should never have never been put in this situation..

Of having two loving parents willing to fight for it?

Some kids should be so lucky.

Ah... so when a couple seperates and goes to court to get the custody of the kid(s) that same kid(s) should be lucky?

So you think a child being "created" for two blokes is in a child's best interest..?..

I see nothing wrong in planning for an enjoying a happy family.... I know many happy couples who've 'created' a family (IVF), usually more conventional as Husband and Wife...

Having read the media reports and interviews I have no doubt that the Childs best interest will always be closest to the hearts of her parents.

The only issue I foresee is when bigoted opinions are forced upon the family - This is not the fault of the happy family, but the fault of those few in society who have lacked social development, remained stuck in the past and feel the need to force their opinions on an innocent family who are causing no harm to anyone else.

Of course - this debate is just that, a debate on an anonymous internet forum:

Transom: You are a respected member of TV.com and I have enjoyed many of your posts in the past - In fact I remember received a verbal bo!!oking from you regarding a tasteless comment I made a few years ago. It rather surprises me that you are not more open minded about this topic.

Its perfectly acceptable to be a motor-head and also tolerate things which may otherwise conflict with the motor-head stereotype !!

It is clear that this child will grow up in a very loving environment - many children around the World would clearly be very lucky to be given the chance to grow up in such a family.

This topic is re-hashing old arguments heavily debated in this linked thread below.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/905172-gay-parents-fight-for-custody-with-surrogate-in-thailand/

Biology is quite simple and so is evolution for that matter. I'm pretty sure nature knows better than "socially developed societies". In the so called "socially developed societies" you now have really brain dead stuff like "none binary flowergenders".

Nature and evolution knows better and socially developed societies are wrong in every sense? Ok my friend first step throw out your computer, make a set of clothes out of leaves and branches then walk over to you neighbor and have a fight to the death over the food in his fridge, oh and kidnap his wife as well and drag her to your cave. Then you can make a baby the natural way! The kid can grow up in the cave and be happy, not being subjected to the horrors of modern life, like the prospect of same sex parents.

One logical theory might be socially developed societies are part of evolution.

Rather pointless to debate with a person who can't differentiate between biology and anthropology.

Fact is that to be able to "date" in Isaan you have to be able to speak passable thai.

There are too many bigoted, oppressive, backward and downright offensive opinions on here to get into yet another debate regarding what I can only see as a positive outcome for common sense and keeping a family unit together....

Congratulations to the Family and to the legal system which avoided bigotry and backwards thinking.

So you think a child being "created" for two blokes is in a child's best interest..?..

I see nothing wrong in planning for an enjoying a happy family.... I know many happy couples who've 'created' a family (IVF), usually more conventional as Husband and Wife...

Having read the media reports and interviews I have no doubt that the Childs best interest will always be closest to the hearts of her parents.

The only issue I foresee is when bigoted opinions are forced upon the family - This is not the fault of the happy family, but the fault of those few in society who have lacked social development, remained stuck in the past and feel the need to force their opinions on an innocent family who are causing no harm to anyone else.

Of course - this debate is just that, a debate on an anonymous internet forum:

Transom: You are a respected member of TV.com and I have enjoyed many of your posts in the past - In fact I remember received a verbal bo!!oking from you regarding a tasteless comment I made a few years ago. It rather surprises me that you are not more open minded about this topic.

Its perfectly acceptable to be a motor-head and also tolerate things which may otherwise conflict with the motor-head stereotype !!

It is clear that this child will grow up in a very loving environment - many children around the World would clearly be very lucky to be given the chance to grow up in such a family.

This topic is re-hashing old arguments heavily debated in this linked thread below.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/905172-gay-parents-fight-for-custody-with-surrogate-in-thailand/

I post on a topic like this because I think 100% about a babe/kid...In this case created for a couple of blokes, no thought or the babe or a mum....If folk think I am wrong, so be it, but l remember my mum telling me l used to bite her boobs more than feed, made me laugh but it told me how the bond was a crucial thing in my early years until she died....

For this child in future years questions will be asked, yeh they can tell lies but they may say.."We paid some bird to create you cos we don't like women"...That is devastating.

It's sad that so many people on this planet don't anymore understand how strong and unbreakable the chains between a mother and her child is...

A truly sickening result obtained through a legal loophole. Fortunately this practice is now illegal in Thailand so we won't be seeing this again.

It's just not that... it's quite bizarre that some countries in the world, and posters on TV, openly condone buying/selling humans.

There are too many bigoted, oppressive, backward and downright offensive opinions on here to get into yet another debate regarding what I can only see as a positive outcome for common sense and keeping a family unit together....

Congratulations to the Family and to the legal system which avoided bigotry and backwards thinking.

So you think a child being "created" for two blokes is in a child's best interest..?..

I see nothing wrong in planning for an enjoying a happy family.... I know many happy couples who've 'created' a family (IVF), usually more conventional as Husband and Wife...

Having read the media reports and interviews I have no doubt that the Childs best interest will always be closest to the hearts of her parents.

The only issue I foresee is when bigoted opinions are forced upon the family - This is not the fault of the happy family, but the fault of those few in society who have lacked social development, remained stuck in the past and feel the need to force their opinions on an innocent family who are causing no harm to anyone else.

Of course - this debate is just that, a debate on an anonymous internet forum:

Transom: You are a respected member of TV.com and I have enjoyed many of your posts in the past - In fact I remember received a verbal bo!!oking from you regarding a tasteless comment I made a few years ago. It rather surprises me that you are not more open minded about this topic.

Its perfectly acceptable to be a motor-head and also tolerate things which may otherwise conflict with the motor-head stereotype !!

It is clear that this child will grow up in a very loving environment - many children around the World would clearly be very lucky to be given the chance to grow up in such a family.

This topic is re-hashing old arguments heavily debated in this linked thread below.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/905172-gay-parents-fight-for-custody-with-surrogate-in-thailand/

Biology is quite simple and so is evolution for that matter. I'm pretty sure nature knows better than "socially developed societies". In the so called "socially developed societies" you now have really brain dead stuff like "none binary flowergenders".

As far as a possible appeal, on what grounds would the appeal be made? Didn't the surrogate woman already make her case, which was lost? So wouldn't there have to be something new to show? So an appeal would most likely lose. But I can see that one benefit of an appeal would be to DRAG this out even longer hoping the parents just get worn down by time and money being stuck in Thailand.

So because it's about a gay couple you don't think the woman should be able to appeal? Do you have this same view about anything court related?

Good for them.

Shame on all the bigoted dinosaurs here.

Lats time i checked buying and selling humans was you know... like illegal.

It is.

So what has that got to do with anything?

Have you wandered onto the the wrong thread?

So it's different buying/selling fetuses? Because hey, it's only a human when it actually is born right?