richard_smith237

9 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Possible.

I feel she’ll have to do some hard talking to sell the idea. Whatever she was evading would have to be very bad, to be worse than killing one person and seriously injuring another. And that was getting off lightly. The motorbikes could easily have had 8 people on them between them, or it could have been a school bus with kids hanging off in all directions.

I don't think anyone weighs out the 'what if' scenario when taking evasive action.

Its not as if someone has time or is capable of thinking "this person just pulled out, should avoid them and risk losing control and injuring and killing other people, or should I just hit them"

9 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

So yeah, maybe, just maybe somebody or something provoked her movement, but I personally think it’s unlikely that there is anything that required such a drastic movement.

Pickups are unstable vehicles - far less stable than cars - I doesn't take a huge drastic movement to lose control like that.

9 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

If she lost control as a result of intending to make a smaller evasive movement, then it’s still on her really. Tbh, I’m not really buying it and I suspect the odds are the cops won’t either.

I'd agree - its still on her, but it would lend an element of 'accident' rather than recklessness...

That said: Given what Rattle mentioned above, its looking possible that swerving like this was an 'aggravated' action (either by her or him) - possibly under the influence.

16 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I've just read some comments on FaceBook confirming that the passenger and driver were still arguing outside the vehicle after the accident had occurred, and that CPR on the victim was performed by a passer-by. For them to continue their argument in spite of the seriousness of what they had just caused indicates that they were not in a normal state, either because of extreme emotion or intoxication. I'm leaning towards the 'violent couple fight' explanation.

Yeah - that information certainly adds to the fuel that 'they' were a) acting very erratically and b) likely not sobre.

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

No anti lock brakes? Is that option not included on pickups now?

Not when a truck is going sideways...

Even with ABS the tail can come round - which seems to be what happened here - there was no counter-steering though (which I would have thought would be a natural response when the front starts to point in the wrong direction).

18 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Total loss of control. I don't think using one's phone would cause such an abrupt swerve. I'm thinking either:

1. Fight with her boyfriend/passenger who grabbed her arm forcefully

2. Burst tyre

It might if she was distracted on her phone, then looked up and had to swerve for something, which caused the loss of control.

What we can see is that the pickup is out of control as it enters the frame - what caused the pickup to be out of control is anyone's guess.

• Fight with BF / Grabbing the wheel or arm & lost control

• Fight with BF / She swerved in anger & lost control

• Burst tyre & lost control

• Swerved to avoid something that had pulled out & lost control

• Distracted on phone and saw something too late, swerved to avoid & lost control

21 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

“Police have not yet received the official autopsy results

21 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Kershaw’s family have said the case is now being treated as “murder/manslaughter”, citing preliminary toxicology findings of “a combination of seven different substances in his system at extremely high levels”.

What 'substances' and at what levels ?

That alone might indicate recreational use or something more nefarious.

3 hours ago, BrandonJT said:

3 hours ago, scorecard said:

"Chonburi WHAT does not accept the pink card?

The context clue is literally in the post you quoted. DLT.

Got to wonder with some people - are they just itching that badly to pull the trigger on a post without so much as an intelligent thought ?

3 hours ago, scorecard said:

15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Which area's ?

I know Chonburi does not accept the Pink ID card and the Yellow House Book as proof of address for some obscure reason.... which others ?

I know of a fact - DLT Area 3 (Bangchak) Bangkok - does accept it.

It would be useful info - for some that might the deciding factor concerning whether its worth it or not.

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I'm not sure if its the case any more - but a number of years back I could not get a Certificate of Address from Immigration in Chaeng Wattana because I'd never submitted at 90 day report ( I think it may have changed since then )

The Brit Embassy charged ~2xxx baht for an Affirmation of Residence letter, then stopped issuing them all together if we didn't have a Non-Imm O Visa.

The only way to 'get a proof of address' for the Thai Drivers license was using the Yellow House Book.

"Chonburi WHAT does not accept the pink card?

Is it really that hard ???

2 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

I take your point.

But, there is no sign of that on the video and if taking evasive action, would it really require cutting across three lanes of traffic and coming to a shuddering halt on the opposite side of the road while facing the wrong direction?

I think it’s a stretch

I didn't quite mean that - IF evasive action was taken, the 'cutting across' into the apposing traffic was not the evasive move, it was the loss of control after the the evasive move - the evasive 'swerve' (if it happend at all) may have occurred off-camera.

Pickups are inherently unstable and 'tail light' - swerving to avoid something might have been the cause for the loss of control.

6 hours ago, BeastOfBodmin said:

Thanks! The hardest part was scraping the thread for the data for which I used the (paid for) "Table Capture" Chrome plugin. The plugin has a feature to scan all the pages which works well on AN. It's fun to watch. Better than messing with XPath and/ or Beautiful Soup or whatever.

Then copy-as-markdown and paste into Lumo chat. Lumo automagically converted it into a text file and attached it to the chat.

Then I copy/ pasted the output from Lumo directly into a post - the AN forum software correctly rendered tables, etc. I did play with the column widths by hand.

Excellent summary... I do wonder if AI will now 'self reference' this table (posted into this thread) in future if the same question is asked.

7 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

People should be allowed to vape, smoke, use drugs, refuse vaccinations, ride motorcycles without helmets, etc., if that is their wish, although we know that these often lead to hospital stays. Yes, there should be restrictions on ‘where’ some of these may be done,

BUT…The people who choose these should not be allowed to take up the hospital beds needed for those who are NOT harming themselves daily. And certainly not in free government hospitals.

Let Darwin deal with them.

Where exactly do you draw that line?

If we start deciding who 'deserves' healthcare based on personal choices, it very quickly becomes a slippery slope. Is it only smokers and drug users? or does it extend to people who eat poorly because healthier food is more expensive? What about someone who lives a sedentary lifestyle, or drinks socially over many years?

Selective healthcare sets a dangerous precedent. Once that door is open, it doesn’t stay narrowly defined. Do we then deny dementia care because someone drank alcohol throughout their life? Refuse a knee replacement because someone spent 30 years playing football? At some point, do genetics come into play - do we reduce care for people predisposed to certain conditions? These lines don’t stay fixed - they evolve, and not in a fair or consistent way.

And the helmet argument isn’t as straightforward as it sounds. Riding without a helmet isn’t a purely personal risk. If a motorcyclist pulls out in front of a car, the outcome is very different depending on whether they’re wearing one. With a helmet - perhaps a mild concussion. Without one - potentially a fatality or life-altering brain injury. The driver, even if completely blameless, has to live with that. So it’s not victimless. It affects other people emotionally, and it places a far greater burden on healthcare resources.

The reality is that once care is rationing based on perceived “self-inflicted” harm, the system is no longer a healthcare system, but a moral judgement system.

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

Yes, everyone has a divine right to stink up the street and blow vapour in everyone's faces.

And the apple scented, nicotine fumes add to the atmosphere in bars and malls.

No, no one has that right, neither is that being asked for...

If people want to vape, smoke cigarettes or dope - go for it - just do it out of the way of others.

So, you have a point - but you over egged it with silly emotion - just like drinking, do whatever you are doing sociably - don't impact others - thats basic SOP for decent people.

I don't smoke, I don't vape - but the anti-vape laws in Thailand are just silly - just like the gambling laws - it creates an artificial attraction.

31 minutes ago, The Oracle said:

My TDL, not due to expire until mid-2027 has my old passport number on it which I had to replace in 2023. I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one with that issue.

That doesn't matter - your Thai Driving licence is already 'tied to you'.... You've already proven your ID to obtain it - the biometrics are the same, Name, DOB, Nationality etc..

25 minutes ago, The Oracle said:

I assume - obviously I don't know for sure - this is due to people overstaying visas or entering illegally.

Its down to the local Immigration Office - If they are more active, they enforce hotels to register their non-Thai guests - in other areas such issues are not on the radar.

18 minutes ago, The Oracle said:

We stayed in seven different hotels. With the exception of the first hotel I stayed in Chiang Mai, all the hotels had similar signage saying that they will no longer accept Pink Cards or Drivers Licences as ID and will only accept a foreigner's passport to check-in.

Thats interesting... Over the past few years I've only used my Pink ID to check in at hotels in Thailand.

The most recent once - Centra in Pattaya and some smaller place in Khon Kaen.

Its somewhat of a 'moot point' though - as I don't travel anywhere (domestically) without my passport anyway - so its there if needed.

But, I use the Pink ID as its in my wallet and easy to get to, whereas my passport is in a 'passport wallet' (with emergency cards, backup keys, emergency cash etc) - I can access it easily enough, its tucked away in my bag so no drama - just never needed to as yet - seems thats changing.

There have been threads asking questions about travelling without a passport - I think your comment highlights it would be unwise to do so.

1 minute ago, NE1 said:

Ratchaburi

Thx...

So far then... Places that wont accept Yellow House Book as proof of addres:

DLTChonburi

DLT Ratchaburi

DLT Chatuchak (turns out it does).

1 minute ago, walailak said:

Long-time Bangkok resident here (since 2006), just sharing my experience in case it helps others.

I’ve had a yellow house book since 2013 and got my pink ID card back in 2016. Over the years, it’s turned out to be surprisingly useful.

I’ve used it for:

• Renewing my driving licence (this month at Chatuchak dlt)

• Opening a bank account in Bangkok

• Registering at hospitals (especially during the COVID vaccination period)

• Domestic travel check-ins

• Checking into hotels without handing over my passport every time

It obviously doesn’t replace a passport, but for everyday admin it definitely makes things easier.

Interesting - DrJack implied the the DLT at Chatuchak does not accept the Yellow House Book / Pink ID as proof of address - you clearly proved otherwise.

1 hour ago, NE1 said:

Then again the Pink card and the Yellow book means nothing to renewing a TDL in some areas.

Which area's ?

I know Chonburi does not accept the Pink ID card and the Yellow House Book as proof of address for some obscure reason.... which others ?

I know of a fact - DLT Area 3 (Bangchak) Bangkok - does accept it.

It would be useful info - for some that might the deciding factor concerning whether its worth it or not.

I'm not sure if its the case any more - but a number of years back I could not get a Certificate of Address from Immigration in Chaeng Wattana because I'd never submitted at 90 day report ( I think it may have changed since then )

The Brit Embassy charged ~2xxx baht for an Affirmation of Residence letter, then stopped issuing them all together if we didn't have a Non-Imm O Visa.

The only way to 'get a proof of address' for the Thai Drivers license was using the Yellow House Book.

5 minutes ago, novacova said:

12 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

How'd you get 58 years ???

With that stick up your yin yang it nice that you even care enough.

24 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Basic intelligence - so overrated !!!

…and let us know when you become a member of that group.

Wow - the struggle wasn't just with mathematics then...

7 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

It's day/month/year.

Not Berlin Pharma but another made in Thailand drug:

16th July 2027

No Bhuddist date ever like in some other fields e.g. plane tickets etc.

Do the ribbed ones have a longer shelf life ?

3 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

12 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

How'd you get 58 years ???

Math is so unpopular 😁

Basic intelligence - so overrated !!!

9 minutes ago, Dcheech said:

A couple print shops make laminated cards; front page (face page) of your passport, and on the back, a copy of your current VISA. Would a “pink card” be better, maybe, but this works & as I do not like to carry my passport around, handy. Note, if traveling around in Thailand, I do carry PP.

Thai Driver's license; auto & motorcycle, Thai bank cards, hospital ID etc. You might have more ID on you than you realize.

If its 'only' for ID purposes the Pink ID card is somewhat pointless.

In all these topics - the lines between the Pink ID itself and Yellow Housebook burr - effectively they are the 'same package'... and come combined (ok - the pink card takes an additional 15 min step to obtain at the Amphur office after processing the Yellow House Book which is a far more long winded process)

But 'combined' with the Yellow House Book and the 13 digit Non-Thai ID number is where usefulness of the 'Pink ID - Yellow House Book' can be experienced.

1 hour ago, Jim Waldron said:

"... this initiative involves a strategic plan to significantly change driving behavior through staged enforcement actions..."

So, if Phase 1 was ‘Warning Before Fine’ and Phase 2 is ‘Strict Enforcement’.

I can’t help wondering what Phase 3 is going to be!

Phase 1: The Mai-Pen-Rai phase....

Phase 2: The Nid-noi pomphen phase...

Phase 3: The mee tang mai? phase...

Phase 4: The khee-giat phase...

41 minutes ago, JimCM said:

What you’re saying isn’t some universal truth about religion - it’s a very British, media-shaped reaction, and treating it as evidence says more about your islamophobia than reality. In countries like Iran or Malaysia, where Muslim populations are the majority, hearing “Allahu akbar” is completely normal and wouldn’t cause the slightest concern, whereas someone loudly shouting “praise be to Jesus” in a crowded space could easily draw suspicion simply because it’s unfamiliar in that context.

The reaction you’re describing flips depending on where you are, which shows it’s not about the words themselves but about what people have been conditioned to associate with “threat.” By presenting a normal phrase used by millions of ordinary Muslims as inherently alarming, you’re not just making a neutral observation - you’re generalising a whole group through a lens of fear. That’s why it comes across as racist: it reduces a diverse set of people to a single negative association based on selective exposure rather than reality.  

That’s not accurate - and it’s not “media conditioning” to recognise context.

I’ve spent a huge amount of the past two decades across the Middle East and Southeast Asia, and everyday speech among Muslims is far more likely to include phrases like Alhamdulillah and Inshallah - those are part of normal, daily conversation.

Allahu Akbar is a legitimate religious phrase used in prayer and religious contexts. But it’s part of regular conversation, and that distinction matters.

In today’s world, after years of it being used in extremist attacks, the phrase has taken on an additional association. That’s not about labelling all Muslims - it’s about recognising how repeated real-world events shape public perception.

Thats not islamaphobia - thats just your attempt to deflect through accusation.

If someone suddenly shouted “Allahu akbar” loudly in a crowded mall in places like Bahrain or Dubai, it would alarm people - not because the words themselves are inherently bad, but because of how and where they’re being used... using that term insights fear - switch the script and "praise be to Jesus" would not insight he same fear in locals in shopping centres across the Middle East or in Europe or the USA.

Context matters. Behaviour matters. And pretending those associations don’t exist doesn’t make them disappear.