richard_smith237

I'm planning to buy a Ronix wakeboard and a guy told me about a shop called X-Square or something like that, in Siam Square. Does anybody know about that shop and where it is exactly ?

Thanks.

Yom

Its on the 4th Floor in Siam Centre next to one of the exits / entrances to the car park at the rear.

For Sale: 920,000 baht (1.86 Mil New).

Purchased Sept '05 Alfa Romeo 156 Selespeed (2000cc).

Registered June '06.

12,500 km, 1 owner (English).

Full Service history.

Red Exterior / Black leather interior.

Multifunction steering wheel, stereo controls, paddle gear shift.

Gears: Full Automatic / Tiptronic / Manual Paddle shift.

17" Original Alfa GTV alloys / Sports Pack Exterior.

No crashes, breakdowns etc.

Reason for sale. I have two cars and only need one of them.

Please contact: [email protected]

Or phone: 0890402045 (may not answer due to being overseas at work).

Most car parks here have a shocking design – high curbs that can’t be seen while reversing etc. often in these cases the guards can help from scratching the skirting / body work. I pay attention to them as in most cases they are very helpful.

On one occasion it was very dark and I tapped a low bollard that was out of sight while reversing. Did I blame the guard ? No – he wasn’t driving my car for me !!! but it did teach me a lesson – these guys are there all day, it’s got to be a boring job, even the most attentive of people would switch off and become robotic after a while, its only human.

The reason we don’t have this gripe in our home countries? Because there are no security guards in most car parks.

Would the guards here prevent someone from breaking into my car ? I doubt it, but its enough of a deterrent for my liking.

Now when I’m parking however, I do my best to ignore their whistles and hand signals and rely on my mirrors and parking sensor. But…. the guards stand so close to the car it makes the sensor all but useless….

Consequently they must be thinking – Gosh, can’t these silly farang’s park ?

I know a member of cabin crew on a follow on a flight with the same plane.

Follwing the Bangkok Melbourne flight, the plane was turned around for its next flight. The flight from Melbourne to Bali was delayed a few hours while trying to fix the door seal. It couldn’t be fixed but the plane was deemed safe to fly regardless.

The apparent issue here was the noise. As I understand it, the door in question was half way down the cabin and passengers were seated towards the front and rear of the plane away from the noise. However the cabin crew were still required to prepare meals etc in the galley and had to work in the noise.

Again, as I understand it, after the BKK-MEL flight, 3 of the cabin crew were taken to hospital with ‘high pitch ringing’ in their ears….

I’ve told my friend, if she is aware of anything like this in the future – it should be within her rights not to fly.

When people reply to a post with absolute or apparent authority and experience on a subject, but the perception from their replied post clearly suggests otherwise.

No body can know what they don’t know, and a little knowledge is often very dangerous!

I sympathize, it seems there are too many speed bumps everywhere in Thailand.

Also – turning into soi’s from a main street can be like hitting a speed bump.

I’ve a low riding car and a 4x4.

Speed bumps and these Soi entrances are potentially treacherous for the body-work in the low car, while they are just uncomfortable in the 4x4.

The reasons are fairly self explanatory…

The Roads are heavily cambered to allow for storm water flow, hence the ‘big dip’ before entering the soi.… But – cleaning the cutters and drains more frequently could solve the water flow issue. Currently – when it rains heavily the roads just flood anyway !

The speed bumps are unavoidable as and traffic calming measures, but their overuse is a lazy method. But, over use for some, is not enough for others.

They should be used near schools etc. But education is also key here.

Quick TV adds could be the way to go.

Seat belts.

Child seats.

Giving way.

Keep your distance (I’ve seen so many pileups here).

AND. "drive slow, at proper speed, and they are no problem" >> Clearly they are a problem for some, isn't that the point of the post ?

The only speed camera (hand held) I have seen so far is the Second Stage (upper level Express way) heading out of Bangkok towards Chonburi, just after central Bangna. I’m sure more locations will be added.

The Jollies there cannot be bribed… a friend of mine got stopped for doing 136 kph and was told the limit is 120 kph. The lights always show 80 kph for some reason.

He received 30 points (limit on the Thai licence is 60 I think) and had to pay a 400 bhat fine.

On Saturday, I passed the camera doing about 115 kph. The police at the toll station (to collect the ticket)… shouted ‘Hello !’ as I drove past !!

I think the locations of the ‘speed traps’ will always be before a major toll booth so that those marked as speeding cannot leave the express way at an earlier exit.

One quick point I would like to make.

Any reduction in benefits only effects new members, established members need not worry.

The exception to this is the Fast track on return. This is a security issue which means people must accompany their passports at the immigration desk (although they can go through the faster diplomatic channel).

“The best massage places charge 2,000. Do you get anything special with that?”

No.. If you like a Warm flavoured tea and some fruit – that’s your happy ending.

From what I gather, any ideas of that nature would be deemed as highly inappropriate.

I was even told a story by one of the TE team that a Japanese fellow has been banned from using his TE card at Spa’s for requesting that they only massaged his bottom cheeks !

I edited my post above to make things a little clearer.

I've been a member since May.

As far as I am aware – the one free upgrade is part of the TG Gold card service – and thus is available every 2 years for as long as the gold card lasts.

The one free with one full fare business (on the same flight) is only a good deal if two people were going to be on the same out and inbound flight and were going to fly business TG anyway. Its available every flight.

I have a quote from an e-mail regarding program cancellation

“Many prospective members had asked me about Thailand Elite program cancellation. If such case happens, the Thai government will reimburse not less than 1 million baht to all members”

I’d only believe that after it happened.

I have a Thai Elite Card.

I don’t work in Thailand but I like to live here.

For someone like myself, I have worked out that The Thai Elite membership will pay for itself with unhurried use in approximately 5 years.

Alternatively – over 5 years it is 16,666 Baht per month.

I play golf regularly and now also play on the better more expensive golf courses (Alpine, Navatanee) more regularly than that I otherwise would.

I now nip out for a convenient and very relaxing massage once or twice per week which is something I never did before – having the card has definitely improved my lifestyle.

Having the visa has definitely reduced my concern over visa issues.

A lovely new BMW 7 is an unnecessary but very pleasant addition to the frequent trips to the airport.

Fast track through the airport is no difference from normal business use anyway.

And on return, the fast track option has been removed, which means we cannot go into the lounge and wait for someone else to deal with our passport. This is due to security (and not Thai Elite service reduction) and because the camera system at immigration has or is going to be re-introduced. Instead of waiting in the lounge we just go through the diplomatic channel; this is still fast track in my book.

The buy one get one free Business class flights with TG is not really a bonus. The full fare flight is more expensive than 2 business class flights with the excellent quality middle eastern airlines (i.e. Emirates, Qatar etc).

The one free Upgrade to first from Business or to Business from Economy is nice though.

For one who has membership – I think the card is of great value.

And I’ve had no disappointments so far.

However, the one cloud that hangs over the Card is the risk that the Government may close the scheme.

In this case we are assured compensation not less than the 1MB we paid. This is Thailand so I wouldn’t hold my breath for any compensation. But after 5 years (if the scheme lasts) I’m ‘quids in’ so to speak. Will it fail? it could. Will I have a lifetime visa? quite unlikely. Will it be economically viable for me? Maybe and I’m willing to risk it.

Here is how I work it out…

4 Golf Games per Month (4x 3000 baht i.e. at Alpine or Navatanee)

4 Massage per month (4 x 2000 baht yes the best massage places charge this)

2 airport trx (2 x 2000 baht – BMW 7 series)

Total – 24,000 baht per month = 288,000 Baht per year.

As an example – subtracting the services I have used.

If it company fails in 3 years. I’ve paid 136,000 baht for a 5 years visa. That’s 27,200 baht per year or 2270 baht per month for a visa.

This is why I’m not particularly worried….

I’m not proud I have the card. I just saw it as frugally advantageous.

For those who don’t have a spare 1MB its unfortunate that you can’t ‘try it before you knock it’…

It is 1MB and its called an Elite card for a reason….lowering the price will increase numbers and lower the quality of service.

My only disappointment is that while on return into the Kingdom, waiting in the lounge (for my passport to be stamped and my luggage to be collected) a beer is not available with the refreshments offered.

Is there anyone out there who has the card who has been disappointed by any aspect ?

Playing 2 ball on a week day at Muang Kaew Golf

Walking from 9th Green to 10th Tee off.

A 4 ball with golf carts and 2 caddies each drives past us in carts and approaches the 10th tee. (they have just jumped two holes and nipped in, in front of us).

It was one of those afternoons where we had tee'd off late and had limited time to complete the round before darkness fell. We’d been held up in typical fashion by a couple of 4 balls in front of us, who at the 9th Tee had completed their round playing the back nine first. We needed to make haste to complete our round.

A 4 ball in carts jumping in front of us without asking or even acknowledging our presence was rather irritating. Walking straight up to the tee and teeing up my ball ready for my drive, astonished looks were past amongst the group attempting to jump in.

The marshal was very quick to arrive and I pointed out that I am not accepting a 4 ball to drive up and jump in front of us, particularly as we are mid-round.

Very quickly the group were moved on and they just drove off to another Tee.

Good Marshals are good, but all too often they let things like this slide and my round is often delayed heavily as a result.

Is it me, or do other people get the impression that approximately half the people on the golf courses over here assume that because they can afford golf, think they are big-shots who can do whatever they want on a golf course ?

There is also a flip side to this and there are many pleasant people out there on the courses and all we see of them are a polite nod while passing, or a brief how's your day chat at a drinks stop.

Always hope for the ugly Caddy while driving, as hoping for a cute one always ensures I get the slow one with missing teeth.

Tee’s in the right pocket.

Coin in the left pocket.

3 gloves per round.

Always line up the writing on the ball in line with the shot (tee off and putting).

Counter act slice, by pointing the little man out of they fly in my underwear (stops me thinking about slice!)

Counteract draw – more change in left pocket.

Never have wallet in pockets.

Never wear a watch while playing.

Phone always on silent.

Do not accept calls from or call back the missus in the middle of a round.

If a big night was had the night before and a beer cannot be tolerated, a shandy at a drinks stop is acceptable.

Tap the club head on the ground before driving.

If there is Sand close to a good landing spot on a drive, aim for it (logic is that I’ll never hit the target).

As far as Night Clubs go…These are the places I and many of my friends have had fun hanging out for a ‘normal night out’ as we would do back at home.

Mostly we get no extra attention, and are treated no differently from anyone else and do our best just to mix in and enjoy ourselves…Many a good night has been had.

I’ve thrown age ranges in to give an idea (just my observation, may not be correct in the eyes of others).

Not in Any Particular Order:

1) Slim RCA: 99% Thai. 3 sections (Hip hop – Thai Band – dance/house) Ages: 20-30yrs.

2) Route RCA: 99% Thai. 2 sections (Hip hop – Thai Band) Ages: 20-25 yrs.

3) Astra RCA: 50% Thai. Good with special events (Ranging): Ages: 20 - 35 yrs.

4) Prob Bar RCA: 99% Thai. Good (ranges of pop music): Ages: 20-35 yrs

5) Escudo Thonglor: 99% Thai. (Hip hop) Ages: 23-33 yrs.

6) Song Salueng Thonglor: 99% Thai (range – hip hop to live band) very crowded: Age: 20-30 yrs.

7) Santika, Ekammai: 80% Thai (range – hip hop to dance – live band) Age: 25-35 yrs.

8) Nanglen Ekammai: 99.9% thai (hip hop) 20-30 yrs (need passport).

9) Escobar (next to Nanglen) 99.9% Thai (hip hop) 25-35 yrs (need passport).

10) Booze, Thonglor 10. 98% Thai (range – hip hop to dance – live band) Age: 20-35yrs.

11) Jet, Thonglor 10. 99% Thai (hip hop to live band) Age 25-35yrs.

12) Q Bar: 60% International Thai (Range – dance) Age 25 – 40 yrs.

13) Bed: 50% Thai (Range) Age 25 – 40 yrs.

14) Inch Ratchada Soi 8: 99% Thai (hip hop – band) Age 20-30 yrs.

15) Tapas Silom: 40% International Thai (dance, latin) Age 25 – 40 yrs.

16) Met bar: Intenational crowd. Firday night disco !! Age 25 – 35 yrs

Hi there.

Thanks for the informative post.

Just to confirm do your %'s relate to the people or the music? i.e. 99% thai people or 99% thai hip-hop as opposed to 99% english language music?

Thanks

The %tages are an attempt to give a very rough estimate of the people there.

As far as music goes, for an inexplicable reason all the popular places play mainstream pop hip hop (if that makes sense).

The only explanation that I can hazard a guess at for this is that this is what the girls can dance to, easy rhythm, easy dancing, the guys just follow – that’s my theory anyway.

The popular thing to do in these places is buy a bottle of whiskey for the table and mix with coke, soda, ice etc (normally 1000-2000 Baht in the more Thai places to 3500 in the places more frequented by foreigners – i.e. Bed, Qbar). Whiskey keeps usually for 3 months, and if at the end of the night its not finished it can be handed in for a receipt / ticket and consumed another time. This seems better than bloating up on beer and is also easier on the pocket when in a group.

As whiskey is the drink of choice for most Thai’s in clubs, it cheaper there, i.e. Johnny Walker red or Black label being the most common, however in places attracting more foreigners the whiskey at 2500 to 3500 per bottle is a similar price to other spirits such as Gin and vodka etc.

A late night Club called ‘The Tunnel’ on Langsuan Soi 5 is also popular, but it’s a gamble when and how late its going to be open (sometimes 2 sometimes 5am). The last two times I have gone there it was closed, a friend told me its operating again now.

As far as Night Clubs go…These are the places I and many of my friends have had fun hanging out for a ‘normal night out’ as we would do back at home.

Mostly we get no extra attention, and are treated no differently from anyone else and do our best just to mix in and enjoy ourselves…Many a good night has been had.

I’ve thrown age ranges in to give an idea (just my observation, may not be correct in the eyes of others).

Not in Any Particular Order:

1) Slim RCA: 99% Thai. 3 sections (Hip hop – Thai Band – dance/house) Ages: 20-30yrs.

2) Route RCA: 99% Thai. 2 sections (Hip hop – Thai Band) Ages: 20-25 yrs.

3) Astra RCA: 50% Thai. Good with special events (Ranging): Ages: 20 - 35 yrs.

4) Prob Bar RCA: 99% Thai. Good (ranges of pop music): Ages: 20-35 yrs

5) Escudo Thonglor: 99% Thai. (Hip hop) Ages: 23-33 yrs.

6) Song Salueng Thonglor: 99% Thai (range – hip hop to live band) very crowded: Age: 20-30 yrs.

7) Santika, Ekammai: 80% Thai (range – hip hop to dance – live band) Age: 25-35 yrs.

8) Nanglen Ekammai: 99.9% thai (hip hop) 20-30 yrs (need passport).

9) Escobar (next to Nanglen) 99.9% Thai (hip hop) 25-35 yrs (need passport).

10) Booze, Thonglor 10. 98% Thai (range – hip hop to dance – live band) Age: 20-35yrs.

11) Jet, Thonglor 10. 99% Thai (hip hop to live band) Age 25-35yrs.

12) Q Bar: 60% International Thai (Range – dance) Age 25 – 40 yrs.

13) Bed: 50% Thai (Range) Age 25 – 40 yrs.

14) Inch Ratchada Soi 8: 99% Thai (hip hop – band) Age 20-30 yrs.

15) Tapas Silom: 40% International Thai (dance, latin) Age 25 – 40 yrs.

16) Met bar: Intenational crowd. Firday night disco !! Age 25 – 35 yrs

Ah, its good to see a thread like this were people seem to be voicing / noting their opinions without getting slammed by the ‘Rose tinted glasses’ or the ‘take it or leave it’ bunch for being honest and having a good old fashioned vent….

I just cannot put my finger on the reasons for good or bad service.

I’ve tried to work it out and place it on location, quality of establishment, my approach, my appearance, my partners appearance etc etc….

One day I get excellent service at a high end restaurant, the next day a different high end restaurant fails miserably at decent service, another day I am irritated by service that it so over the top the waiter or waitress may as well sit down next to me and eat for me…

I can turn up in a good car or a taxi, dressed well or in scruffy jeans, be very polite or demanding… but one thing is for sure, in a new place the level of service cannot be guaranteed.

I have bought televisions and asked if it is in stock for me to take today, the answer is always yes only to find out 30 mins later that none are available, I’ve many similar stories.

I have gone to purchase a new sim card and found out that I can combine sims with old and new number to great convenience with excellent, informative and polite service.

I have walked out of hotel lobbies when trying to check in, because the staff were just that little bit too surly for my liking (high end hotels).

And the pointing in any direction to avoid saying ‘I don’t know’ is a real winner on the lazy / bad service 1-10 list.

Mostly I am disappointed by high end services because in the lower end of the spectrum I have no expectations.

Also – mostly it’s not blatant bad manners or bad service that I observe… its just the absence of reasonable or good service that can be a little grinding, some days are just better than others and I can only put it down to luck !

Sometimes, poor service is easy to spot in advance. There is a certain blankness that can be recognized in those who would otherwise be providing a service. In these cases it might be easier to just walk away or switch off.

Time for service Pet Hates !

Being served, and someone else walks into a shop etc.. and the person serving me switches their attention ! In this case, I normally complain to both parties telling them how impolite they are before I walk away.

Mai-Pen Rai… this phrase is usually a little annoying. Because if its needs to be said, then there already is a ‘pen-rai’ !!!! the person saying it really means… I can’t be bothered to deal with the problem !

There,… I feel better now !

A friend of mine fell upon a very similar fate about a year ago.

It was just outside Bangkapi – He had to do community service: Give Blood. But he didn’t mention having to meet a parole officer ever 3 months.

When he was arrested the police apologized to him that they couldn’t let him pay a fine and go as they had a quota to meet before midnight.

A Good friend of mine just paid 400,000 sinsod to his future parents in law... and before people run off on a tangent, both parties are Thai.

In discussions with an ex a few years ago - from an extremely wealthy background 2 MB was mentioned. It was also pointed out that this was just a symbol - it would be returned in the form of a lovely new apartment and probably a rather nice car too...

Later girlfriends (of the Post Grad overseas education level) have mentioned 400,000 to 1 MB level to be reasonable gesture and that the money would be returned anyway... again - just a symbol to show that I have enough wealth to take care and provide for their daughter.

With this in mind – I would happily pay and maintain face and good image.

But I guess it all depends on the girl, her background and the impression she and her family give off, as is the impression the man gives off too..

Range Rover Mk III ?

Nice and Quick, Luxurious inside, great sounds system, easy to navigate bkk streets...

Equally as suited to rough beach and potholed roads as it is to rolling up at a top end hotel suited and booted...

Apart from the 4x4 bashing, I can’t think of a more suitable car if you have that budget.

Is Hummer not a little too Arnie ?

They Had an H3 on display in Siam Paragon a few months back…

That would wind me up greatly.

The driving standards here and generally terrible and the only way to get anywhere is to 'not care if I crash' which is pretty irresponsible, but sometimes its the only way to pull out of a side street. At some point this will only outcome in a crash.

The Crash happened some years ago (on Petchaburi Rd Bkk - I took photo's and was 100% confident I was not at fault. Back at the police station I was informed my insurance will have to pay and I am at fault. I rejected that. And slowly went over what and how the crash occurred. My story differed from the other driver. After hearing his story – I challenged it showing the police the photos. The other driver changed his story 3 times. The Police man told me he had never had a simple case like that challenged so strongly. We were referred to another area, where a decision was made based on a visual inspection of the cars alone (no crash description was necessary).

The next morning we visited the police station and I was told that as I didn't accept full responsibility for the crash only my half of the crash was my fault, and the other guys half of the crash was his fault. It was then I found out that the other guy had no insurance which was why, if it was his fault the repairs to my car would not have been covered.

Upon leaving the station the other party told me that it was his 5th crash in 3 months, I felt like throttling him.

Motorcycles take huge risks and liberties with their lives. Sometimes I am simply amazed that I did not hit one. I am very, very weary of pickups, particularly the delivery or work pickups who’s drivers are generally quite frankly dangerous. They all look the same, zoned out, 1000 yard stare, mouth open, and not too sharp – simply looking at them and thinking of them in control of a speeding over weight vehicle worries me.

I think back to school days in the UK and think of some of those guys behind the wheel and that worries me too - but here it seems there is far less concept of consequence.

This is a very frustrating point for me.

I am often told that I speak excellent Thai, only to subsequently face a speedy barrage of tonal subtleties that I can not follow.

When I speak Thai I get giggled at (not by the fella’s) and told its cute, which is cute at first, but gently grinding after the xth time !

Brief necessary conversations are well within my limits. i.e. taxi, restaurants, shops etc..

However deeper conversation will be with those Thais more fluent in English than I am in Thai.

I can understand far more than I can speak, generally by picking up key words, relying on facial expression and hand gestures and relying heavily on context…

The context being of key importance in both directions… i.e. if a Thai told me to look at the snow.. I would be thinking something completely different and looking for something more equestrian in nature !

I am at a Plateau, above which without very specific attention and effort it’s difficult to rise above.

I mix mainly with well educated Thais (not out of specific choice – but it just seems to have worked out that way) who speak fluent English. Learning English has more value for them (due to its globalization) than learning a 1 nation language has for me.

However.. The big downside for me is when meeting the elder generations. Even though those who I have met (girlfriends and friends parents etc) often speak precise and clear English, my Thai is not good enough and they would like to see me make more effort to be able to hold detailed conversations.

I often feel I am missing out, but how fluent do I have to be to not to feel this and to fully understand the little details ? (the slang etc) I will never be Thai, I will never fully understand the culture or language, I never grew up with the same TV programs etc. I don’t want to completely assimilate, but I want to be observed as being polite and respectful. But I just can’t seem to improve from this level.

Is learning just enough, enough ?

Quote 'someone' : "If you have the reputation of an early riser – you can sleep all day and get away with it"

Unfortunately Thailand does not have a global reputation that many who live here feel proud of. It’s a shame, but it’s a simple fact that many come to Thailand because of its reputation.

I for one, came here not fully aware of its reputation (fresh out of Uni) to work for in international Co. I have stayed here ever since and love the place (more so than the counter balancing frustration that would exist any foreign country)... and naturally I have had girlfriends here, as I would had I lived in any country for any length of time.

Do men come here for Thaland’s pay for play reputation ? of course…

Do men come here for many other reasons, temples, culture, food, weather ? of course… And.. golf would also be a biggie… combine a gentleman’s golfing trip with few nights of wildness and the golfing trip becomes less gentlemanly but you’d have more takers…

More often than not the reasoning for males to come to Thailand will be the abundance of attractive and available ladies here. However, everyone already knows – generalisations are far from accurate.. but generally.. they work.

A Friend of mine ;-) dating a well educated Career girl with a job most of us would view highly (i.e. the level of a pilot or lawyer). Both Sub 30’s and becoming serious about each other. A Playful conversation about playing around ensued with the pretence of seriousness from my friend.

He asked his Girl friend if it was ok if he visited Poseidon massage parlor. She replied, just don’t let her know about it, and don’t see the same girl more than once… (no movies, dinners etc)…

It seems to me that the Op has been successful in attempting to ruffle a few feathers and that his topic has many view points. My observations from outside of TV forum are that members of the fairer sex in Thailand will turn a blind eye only so far.

The ideals vary through cultural, social and economic boundaries, but it always seems the case that greater compromise occurs from the female party.

Little Johnny strikes yet again….

(Sorry if you’ve heard this before)

Its coming up towards Friday afternoon home time at School and the teacher sets homework for the weekend…

Teacher: “Right Children, your English assignment for the weekend it to come up with a phrase involving the word contagious – every one understand ?

Class: “Yes Misssss”

Come Monday afternoon its close to home time and the teacher rounds up her pupils in the book corner…..

Teacher: “Ok children, over the weekend I asked you to come up with the phrase involving the word ‘contagious’, does everyone have their phrase ?”

Class: “Yes Missss”

Teacher: “Ok, who wants to go first?”

The usual suspects in the class are eager with their arms raised high fighting for recognition.

Young Mary is a level headed girl and the Teacher picks her first….

Teacher: “OK, Mary, let us hear your phrase”

Mary: “Miss, my brother has the Measles, my mother tells me I have to keep away from him because his measles are contagious”

Teacher: “very good Mary, excellent ! – any more volunteers ?”

Sarah is keen, so the Teacher picks her….

Teacher: “OK, Sarah, let us hear your phrase”

Sarah: “Miss, my father is going to work in Africa, he has to take some medicine to protect himself because the doctors tell him he will be working in a contagious area”

Teacher: “very good Sarah, excellent ! – Who’s next ?”

Well.. by this stage little Johnny is beside himself, he’d been thinking long and hard all weekend, and finally he’d struck gold and was ready to impress his favorite teacher. With the assumption that not much can go wrong with the word contagious, the Teacher picks Johnny…

Teacher: “Ok Johnny, what do you have for us?”

Johnny: “Miss Miss, my next door neighbor is painting his house white, he’s using such a tiny brush… my father says it’ll take the contagious” !!!

Good point > after splashing out for the elite card, they may not be able to afford to have sex ;-)

The Elite card with privileges beyond the golf and spa’s i.e. a few of the naughty massage parlors could have a few more folk interested, would it not ?