richard_smith237

Erm... apparently you can't call a spade a spade any more Neeranam... ... The wokerati have decided the term is no longer related to the transliteration of (Greek Philosopher) Erasmus' phrase "to call a fig a fig and a trough a trough"... it has since been linked to playing cards, at some point the term 'spade' was used as a code for 'Black People' and hence a simple phrase acquired racial undertones... Soon... I wont be able to mention socks, or how sweaty they get.. not because your 'Iron brew fried Mars bar eating lot' get upset, but because a bunch of gender misappropriating nonce softies lack the ability to turn the banter into a win for both parties with an entertaining exchange of verbiage our better halves would blush at....

That is good enough for a long jail time. Is it allowed in your country? We're not in our country... In most cases in 'our country' (wherever that may be) the Police are not viewed upon with a general degree of suspicion for being self serving and corrupt... I've never seen a Police check-point in the UK... I see them weekly in Thailand.... Thus.. If we are comparing to our own country... .... Would a regular tourist ride a car or rent a motorbike without a licence ???? - they wouldn't be able to for starters. Here... the BiB know... so they know tourists are good game and that can create a 'cat & mouse' mentality.... ... what we see here is perhaps an initial 'blow-back' against this 'cat & mouse' mentality that escalated out of control...

And in 8 years worth ???? The issue with EV's is not their performance, range or any practicality etc - its that as soon as their warranty ends (particularly the battery warranty), the value will drop off a cliff. This is going to be the same for all EV's until they have modular batteries which can be interchanged, or extended manufacturer warranties.

Or he fled without it.

Yup, the American guy is a POS… & I hope they catch him. BUT, why report this 2 month old story now ? ….. piggy backing on the “bad farang” rhetoric much ????

You are not a young, fit, strong male with MME experience though are you ? People with different capabilities will may well act differently. IF an angry policeman pulls a gun on me, I'll keep very quiet and hope he does nothing more. IF an angry policeman pulls a gun on someone with CQB training may well respond so they know he does nothing more.

unless it's a proven dangerous criminal fleeing, there is absolutely no reason ever to shoot someone's tires, it even should be a very serious breach of the code of conduct, cops doing that should land a desk job, and that's if nobody was injured. Agreed... a lot of the comments on this forum about that incident matched your sentiment.

Flawed logic... The fact that something doesn't happen with regularity is not any evidence or indication at all that it cannot happen.

Yet, there have been videos on here (this forum) within the last year (about) which shows a policeman in hot pursuit of a motorcyclist shooting at him (his tyres I think)...

Dealerships have second hand programs and are probably the best bet for assurance, although you'll likely pay more for that. That said, many 2-3 year old cars are already carrying warranty. Very simple... contact a broker (plenty around) the dealership can help you with that. People on here (me included can PM you with a useful brokers contact details). MOT - equivalent, not for the first 7 years. Tax is yearly renewable along with compulsory government insurance). Its wise to also get 1st class insurance (through a broker or the dealership). You are living here and working here - your travel insurance is already void.

I'm just betting you are one of those foreigners who states they refuse to interact with other foreigners !!! Why only foreigners?... should Thai's not also be held to the same legal standards ????? Your anti-foreigner bias and Thai apologisim has betrayed you... I agree with you that officials deserve to be treated respectfully, as should anyone... But, I disagree that foreigners are subject to a greater penalty than Thai's for not doing so. Also, we are treading a very dangerous path when there are penalties for not showing deference and respect for officials as some often behave in a manner not deserving of respect... Those in positions of dealing with the public most certainly require the full backing of the law, but must be sure to uphold legal standards.

Imagine the average monger arriving in Thailand... Psychologist (Immi officer) with a the 'booklet'... Opens page... Whats this ?... Foreigners answer: A vagina. Flips page... Whats this ?... Foreigners answer: A vagina. Flips page... Whats this ?... Foreigners answer: A vagina Flips page... Whats this ?... Foreigners answer: A vagina Immigration officer.... Every answer of yours is 'vagina'.... Foreigners answer.... 'stop showing me pictures of vagina's then' !!!!!!!

Which sane lawyer would not advise you to express remorse when you are caught dead to rights? A guilty plea and expression of remorse are highly valued in Thai society. One who knows you have not been caught bang to rights because the only evidence is a very sketchy video showing a small part of the altercation / issue. I get your point - If the NZ guys knew they were being chased, they could expect that a gun is pulled on them. Did they know they were being chased ??? Or did they suddenly have a angry police officer pull up next to them pointing a gun ??? Speculation again - but when discussing all possibilities of what could have happened.......

Thats my SoP (in Bangkok and anywhere else).... never bothered at Check-points... Although Phuket BiB have a different reputation for ripping off foreigners. That said - on previous threads (on this forum), plenty of posters have boasted of how they 'burn through' check-points because they don't want to pay the bribes etc for fake charges usually levied at them....

Numerous threads concurrently running with similar discussions... Here are my thoughts on how this situation could have sprialled in the manner it did (pure speculation of course). - 2x NZ Guys pass through a Police check point - Policeman indicates to stop a) NZ guys didn't notice and continue b) NZ guys burn through as they know they have no license - Policeman gives chase and catches up - Policeman draws gun and attempts to shoot at the tyres of the NZ guys bike (seen this is Thai police videos enough times) - NZ think the Policeman is shooting AT them. - NZ Guys stop, once of them subdues policeman and takes the gun, gives it to brother - NZ Guys wait for more police to arrive realising how out of hand the situation just became Equally so... here's another possibility.... - 2x NZ Guys pass through a Police check point - Policeman indicates to stop - NZ guys burn through as they know they have no license - Policeman gives chase and catches up - This makes the NZ Guys angry and they attack the police officer and take the gun - Other police catch up and they have to surrender

OK, lets resort to some logic. If you wanted to express remorse, would you say so or shut up and hope people would give you the benefit of the doubt based on a lack of a statement expressing no remorse? I'd remain 100% silent and act upon the advice of a trusted legal representative. Thats my logic anyway....

The video proves (or rather shows) there was a fight for control of the gun... Rage.....

If he was worried about getting shot, why would his brother just stand in the background watching him?! Valid point... one brother more dominant than the other ??? and it was he who reacted to subdue the police officer.... Is it not also a valid point to suggest that if the brothers wanted to attack the police officer, why would the other just stand in the background watching him and not get involved ? Or... perhaps one brother is nutcase and once caught... something flipped and he attacked, whereas the other just stood there not sure what to do.

The tail wagging the dog. A lack of a public statement of contrition is generally held to be a lack of remorse. Is it ???... I mean, is a lack of a public statement generally considered as a lack of remorse ? I was not aware of that but can see the logic some may apply the the implication of a lack of public statement. In this case, have the two NZ men been given the option to make a public statement ? Or, has their lawyer told them to remain silent ? (is that not the most common legal advice ?) Or, perhaps they have no remorse, they are happy the Policeman didn't kill them and they made the right decision to subdue him and make safe his gun. Or, perhaps they are being quiet because there are negotiations in place and a public statement of misunderstanding, apology, grovelling etc is forthcoming.

What lack of remorse ??... have they made a public statement ?

Pls link to that video... Because this video does not show what you describe. Unless they 'jumped him' when the Police officer drew his weapon - which is what appears to have happened.... Possible, then he got too close, and they thought he was too unhinged and took matters into their own hands. True... There could be some interesting history. Or, this was an example of a couple of very poor decisions leading to thing spiralling completely out of control for two normal guys...

Perhaps because you are less than observant in how and why these things have happened to you... Perhaps because you are the very trigger and reason for what and why things happen to you... Perhaps because what happens to you, seems to occur in a micro-bubble that surrounds you and only you... But mostly.... you are spewing hatred against Thai's because that is what you 'commonly do on this forum'... You weren't asked to leave because you speak Thai that is not something that happens here... If you were asked to leave, its because you were acting like a.... But, more likely, you have made this story up for attention which you have successfully achieved....

Yup... so why is the full video not being shown ? I know guys are stating that its not for the Authorities to release a video with evidence for the whim of Aseannow detectives etc... BUT.. usually, when there is a CCTV showing damning actions of people doing something wrong in Thailand, its circulated across all social media before we are past the first page of comments on this forum...

You saw a video of the whole event ? The video I have seen only starts at the point the NZ Guy and Policeman are grappling for the gun. You saw the NZ Guy take the gun out of the Policmans holster ??? Pls send a link to that video... as the video I have seen only shows the NZ Guy and Policeman are grappling for the gun which is in the Police officers hand (with the NZ guy's hand also on the gun). Someone 'drew the gun' because its not in the holster... and you did not see the NZ guy removing from the Policemans hoster becasue the vide does not show that. This tells me you are looking a different video or seeing different things in the same video. Possibly because they weren't attacking him, one was successfully subduing him and that was enough. Quite possible... or their only goal was to remove immediate threat to life. After that the back up police with cooler heads were able to take control. Witness statements are notoriously unreliable... But, I agree... the can tell if the Policemen drew on the NZ Guys and they reacted... OR, if the Policeman was calm and the NZ kicked off without provocation. Absolutely agree... In this example, the NZ Guys were clearly in the wrong... but I don't think the issue is as black and white as some are making out... I suspect more to the story and the NZ Guys (certainly one of them) thought he was going to get shot..... Was he on drugs and went nuts ?... or was he correct and has saved his own life with is actions many of us are condemning ?... or something in between ?

"restraining a cop and wringing his weapon from him" Terminology from two extremes could be used here.. - Subdued the police officer and made the gun safe. - Attacked the police officer and stole his gun. Both describe the same event, but tell a different story with linguistic bias. In the video, I don't see the NZ guys attacking the police officer, I see them subduing him... So I wonder what were the immediate events in the seconds and minutes which led to this behavior ? ... .. what led to a foreigner to believe it was necessary to overpower a police officer and prevent him from using his gun ?