richard_smith237

Shake down gone wrong maybe. And, must of drawn his pistol to have it taken from him so easy. To draw a firearm on a speeding charge??? @Hellfire... How about the scenario whereby... - 2 NZ Guys on a bike drive through a Police check point. - 1 officers Signals to stop for riding quickly and not to the left - NZ Guys do not see the signal to stop (or do and blast though anyway)/ - 1 Police officer gives chase. - Police officer catches them and is furious, draws gun.... (two shots are fired). - NZ Guys, scared for their lives subdue the police officer - Cooler minds arrive (BiB) and NZ handover Gun and Police officers phone and turn themselves in - At the station NZ guys try and bribe their way out of trouble, BiB having none of it.

The Swiss steps and Swiss Store assaulter were more clear cut... There is potentially 'more to the story' in the case of the NZ Guys and Russian woman... It seems more evident that we are not getting the full story here.

Exactly... Given that CCTV is nearly always shown when available after an event has occurred... It strikes me as suspicious that the CCTV has not been circulated in this case when its clear CCTV footage exists (from the photos). Either.... - The CCTV footage lacks coverage. - The CCTV footage tells a different story. I can't think of a single reason the CCTV footage would be held back if it shows the full events as they have been reported.

As most 'communication' is non-verbal.... I think its pretty easy to identify when someone is being verbally abusive in any language. In this case, I wonder how abuse the Thai woman was and how abusive the Russian woman was in response ? i.e. - Did the Thai shopkeeper politely ask the Russian to remove her sandals and the Russian went ballistic.. (really ????) - Did the Thai shopkeeper rudely tell Russian to remove her sandals and the Russian returned the abuse and the Russian got physical ? - Did the Thai shopkeeper rudely tell Russian to remove her sandals and the Russian returned the abuse and the Thai lady got physical and the Russian retaliated ? - Did the Thai shopkeeper simply tell Russian to get out of her shop and thee Russian got physical ? - Did the Thai shopkeeper tell Russian to get out, became abusive and physical and the Russian retaliated ? There are a lot of potential scenarios based on the original story... the CCTV would clear up a lot of things.

Yet you have dichotomised the issue... as Media reports correct... anything else fiction. When the CCTV footage is not being presented... and there is no evidence of the Russian kicking the Thai woman... how are you so firm in your belief or acceptance that the Social and Thai media version of events is not also fiction, exaggerated or stretched to the point of fabrication? At the moment we have one photo take from CCTV footage of a woman in a shop with sandals on. Until I see a footage or a picture of the Russian woman 'kicking out'... I'm going to view the social and Thai media comments with cynicism, and certainly not as fact.

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What did they 'do to the cop' ???.... What I see clearly filmed is one guy disarming and subduing a police officer... that was not an assault etc... ... Wrong yes, but we don't have the full facts or circumstances leading up top that, we are only presented with one side of the built up story. ----- What do you do if someone pulls a weapon and you think they are going to use it on you ? I'm not defending the NZ guys for fleeing..... But, in the video I don't see evidence of the NZ guys in an attacking rage either. I see what could be argued as a measured reaction to disarm the Police officer and make his weapon safe. Why did the NZ guy choose to take that course of action ??... You believe its because the NZ guys are disgusting thug with a sick mentality of western criminals... I suspect there is more to the story regarding the specific reason the NZ felt he had little choice but to wrestle with the Police Officer.

'Come on Noshow... There have been numerous reports over the years of 'agents' with direct line to immigration whereby 'certain requirements' can be overlooked.... for a fee.... This has been going on for years, its been reported on here, in social media and in Thai media.... Thus: the question you ask... 'can you name names'... is being a little bit pedantic... Its like some telling you that some drivers in Thailand jump red lights and cause accidents, and then you ask who and want names... that weakens whatever point you are trying to make. So.. the question here is: Are those 'agents still going to be operating' or charing more etc... Where and how is this additional screening going to take form ? IMO - it won't... it'll give immigration offers an excuse to reject some borderline cases, but everything else for most of us will remain the same, IMO.

I have never followed all the rules of the law and I'm not a crook. Just because something is law does not always make it right. Agreed... there are some laws that are silly and everyone breaks those laws... (i.e. buying booze between 2-5pm... crossing the white line on the road in some areas etc). Then there are other's which we do not cross which would make us 'crooks' if we were to cross them. BUT... in the example of Immigration officers told to increase screening... there is no way they can do that to any degree which would identify 'dodgy foreginers'... ... Some the 'bad foreigner' examples we are reading of recently are issues some 'good foreigners' can inadvertently get caught up in. I can see situations whereby I am left with little choice but to cross a line.. Its fortunate that those situations have not escalated in the manner they could.... A few years ago... A guy punched a waitress in the face, I was standing right next to them. Before I knew it, the guy was on the floor and I was holding him down, waiting for bouncers to come who then took over and took the guy away. This could have easily gone the other way... and been reported as "Western assaults Thai guy"... it just depends, if the story is going to hit social media and go viral, it often depends who gets the story out there first as people are too lazy to read thoroughly and pick up on headlines and key worlds rather than critically evaluate what is being written and more specifically miss what is being missed out.

A media report and an accusation is not fact because its in writing... you forget that. Neither is it untrue...don't forget that. 100% agree... the report could equally be completely factual and exactly as reported.... But, as I've mentioned, I am skeptical and the media reports 'seem' one sided.... I am even more cynical when there is clearly a photo taken from a CCVT screen, but no CCVT video circulated. This leads me to suspect that the CCTV video would present information in a different light - thats just my cynicism, but I think that cynicism is fair in this example.

That's just your, some would say, unintelligent opinion, it is not factual. Why do you now have to resort to (unintelligent) insults? No, I haven't insulted you as being unintelligent, given our interaction and debate in the past, while we commonly disagree for various reasons, your intelligence is not brought into question. I was surprised to see you relying on a comment of flawed intelligence... thats all...

I'm not so confident of that either... In some cases, the surly nature of shop assistants is just that... there is an inner resentment towards foreigners and tourists in general. This was discussed in another thread about Phuket - a lot of examples of the Thai's in Phuket (and tourist hubs) being surly towards tourists (Thai and foreign tourists)... ... this same 'trait' can be picked up in a lot of area's of high tourist footfall where the interaction between 'working Thais' and foreginers does match the polite, smiley, happy go lucky interaction we encounter elsewhere as the attitudes of people in those area's have been tainted by rude and impolite individuals who have trodden before us.

Op... if you mention your intended application, then you may get more specific help. i.e. piggybacking on the above comment. Recently... I had 3x live connections: 1) Thai e-SIM (activated - But switched off while roaming unless I wanted an OTP then momentarily switched it on) 2) France e-SIM (used while in France) 2) Work SIM (installed in phone)

Unless you wish to use data while out and about... i.e. for navigation and searches etc

This.... As most phones now support multiple eSIM's... phones with multiple-SIM slots are less necessary. That said.. .how easy is to get a pre-paid E-SIM in Thailand ? And how easy is it to switch 'roaming SIMs' (i.e. temporary SIM's we pick up in other countries) as e-SIMS. I recently had a France eSIM (along with my Thai eSIM) which made roaming there easier.

A media report and an accusation is not fact because its in writing... you forget that. This is just an accusation for now... nothing seems to back up that accusation at the moment.

Do you really think that you're in any position to be entitled to her CCTV footage, or to think that such expectation is reasonable, never mind be in a position to "pass judgement"? Yes I do... not from a personal perspective... But from the perspective of the general public. This is not a private accusation, but one which has been made very public. It is not abnormal by any stretch for such information (CCTV) to be distributed throughout the media.... infact, the distrubution of CCTV footage is common in such examples, leading to the question of why is it held back in this situation ???

The world does not revolve around Asean Now, just because CCTV hasn't been made available to us gobsh!tes doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, AN is not a prosecutors office or a court. A bit silly that LL....... Forget about Aseannow - you are thinking too small... Why is CCTV not available for the media in general ???? Whenever CCTV is available, its nearly always the first thing we see as when full footage of an incident is shown it removes all doubt.... IF there were CCTV footage showing the Russian kicking the Thai lady it would be all over the media by now... I suspect is isn't because the CCTV shows a different story than the one we have been fed.

Giving credence to a published report that indicates nothing false about it is not bias. Fair enough... Your credence to the veracity of Thai and social media information is no different to my cynicism of it. We have information reported.... While I'm sure an 'incident occurred'... I question the accuracy of the story and suspect that it has been presented with a degree of bias I am cynical of. The biggest hole I see in the story: - There is a photo from CCTV footage. - There is no video of the Russian attacking anyone. IF there is CCTV footage, then why is the attack not show... earlier you posted an unintelligent comment that its not up to the victim to please the AN readership... thats missing the point that whenever present... the CCTV footage is the first thing we usually see, so why not in this case.... this makes me even more cynical.

😂..............The thread is about a Russian bird assaulting a pregnant Thai shop owner.........Perhaps you should get onto who ever wrote the story for our attention.....😂 If we do it your way, nobody would post....... Remember, TVF/AN is not a court of law, it is a place to chew over what is in front of us, you have 😉 100% agree... TVF / AN is not a court of law... Which is why we have the luxury of discussion and opinion. My opinion (for the moment) is that without CCTV footage of the full confrontation that the accusation is somewhat empty... I do not buy into the story that the Thai lady politely asked the Russian to take off her shoes and the Russian refused and immediately became abusive and went into attack mode... There's always more to these stories.

Because, in assault situations such as this, the last thing on the victims mind is ensuring that she satisfies the unreasonable expectations of Asean Now's criminal investigation bureau by checking that the police or media have released every frame of the CCTV. In assault situations such as this ??.... the assault is an unproven accusation... its not an assault situation. In accusation such as this, when CCTV captures something damning its pedalled throughout the media.... The absense of any CCTV footage brings the veracity of the accusation into question, particularly when there are screenshots of the CCTV footage. We've seen this plenty of times before when footage is clipped short and shows one part of a confrontation without presenting balance and the full story. Do you really think its unreasonable to doubt the accusation when there is no evidence yet CCTV was clearly running ????? Do you really think its unreasonable to want to see evidence (CCTV footage) before passing judgement ? Perhaps I am to cynical - but I just do not blindly believe the story presented by social media and Thai media when it is so absent of any fact.

It is a thread, we have been given a story and a couple of photos of the Russian bird assaulter taken from CCTV, that's it......... Let's see what the future brings......😁 But you do seem to be blaming the Thai lady, when you don't know the full facts because of "your own personal story", now that doesn't cut, chum.... Perhaps I'm am Bias, I am certainly cynical when reading such reports given the current 'anti-farang' climate in social media in Thailand. You mentioned the 'Russian bird assaulter'.... There is no proof of assault... so your bias has shown through. We have one Thai lady who has made a claim of assault.... we have on photograph of the Russian lady standing in the shop. The story is one sided...... We don't even have any comment from the Russian's perspective... So yes, I am quite cynical about this story. You are correct, I don't have all the facts... Why don't we have the whole CCTV video from the shop ??? What makes me most cynical is that an accusation like this is being reported on as fact without any proof and then people are believing the reports. My point its the story is very one sided so far... With these issues there is a trigger point... and it would not surprise me that the 'trigger' point in this case is an unstable unhinged 'surly' Thai shop assistant going from zero to full on in an instant... I've seen this happen a few times - so of course... my own personal story... or more correctly, my personal experience influences how I interpret the story when its missing facts. Thus: before passing judgement on the Russian or Thai lady... we'd need to hear both sides of the story. Where is the full CCTV footage... surely that would be widely available if it really did show the Russian woman kicking the pregnant Thai lady.... (*is the Thai lady even pregnant, or is that a further cry for victim sympathy ?).

Frits... You're a fool if you blindly believe every story you are reading now in Thai and social media.... It is often said... there are three sides to every story... "What he said, What she said, and the truth"... with all many of these 'farang behaving badly' stories circulating in the media right now, we are seeing very one sided reports....

from genuine real "experience" or simply from what you have heard ? Have you any Idea what the conviction rate is by Thai courts for "normal" people ? That would explain their willingness to plead guilty regardless of whether they actually are or not He already quoted that the conviction rate is about 95%... ... This is general knowledge and widely backed up. https://thaipolitics.leeds.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/87/2022/01/McCargo-Punitive-Processes-AJLS-2021.pdf

Why wouldn't she have reported it if she were the instigator ? When involved in an incident some people lack any ability to recognise that they are the instigator ? People get very indignant... It seems the Thai woman instigated a confontation by telling the Russian to get out she wasn't welcomed. - Did the shop owner first ask the Russian woman to take off her shoes ? Or.. - Did the shop owner just start yelling at the Russian, right off the bat ??? This was all on CCTV - why is there only one photo then ? Yes I do... Its happened to me... I find the shop assistants in area's of high tourist footfall to be quite surly on occasion... I just ignore them... but I have seen Thai's go from very calm to very angry over the most innocuous of incidents.