Our Man in the Tropics

20 minutes ago, Pib said:

Several years ago I cashed & deposited a US traveler's cheque at Bangkok Bank....it was coded as a regular deposit....not foreign.

Useful information ;

I trust that categorising by banks is correct

Thus,- this very recording by Bangkok Bank was correct to do so

 

Maybe there is an agent in Thailand for the main brands of traveler's cheques /checks responsible for settling them with the Thai based banks only.

 

Re ; Categorisation by Thai bank of foreign cashier's cheque / check ;

I hope to make some direct enquiries this week with the bank pretties, & then return to this thread with feedback.

20 minutes ago, Pib said:

Highly, highly doubtful.  It would a local domestic transaction....the cashing of a cheque.  No different than going into a Thai bank to do a counter withdrawal/cash advance with your foreign card and having the withdrawal deposited directly into your Thai bank account---it's coded as a domestic deposit....not a foreign transfer of any type.

I appreciate ur doubts ;

Because,- I implicitly have them too about what I suggest.

But,- I am more inclined to believe that it would at "first" instance, even, be classed as a "foreign" transfer transaction were the Thai based bank to pay their customer this typical sum that Falangs receive monthly into their Thai bank a/c's, ahead of this Thai based bank actually being settled for it with clearing at end of whatever is their applicable period.

A cashier's cheque / check from a main bank at a Falang country is surely a much easier document to confirm [ than non-cashier's cheque / check ] by the Thai bank.

Anyway, when the cashier's cheque / check is finally cleared by that Thai bank it should be recorded as a foreign transfer into that Thai bank, ... I proffer as reasoning.

Thus far I have read only page 1 of this thread ;

So,- I hope that I am not being tautologous by suggesting that ur funds arrive to u directly as "cashier's cheque / check" in foreign currency that matches the foreign currency deposit account which u would have opened prior at Thai bank.

I presume that the overseas cashier's cheque / check will be recorded as foreign transfer transaction.

42 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Registered and living are two different things.

Where your child's house book registry is for makes to no difference to immigration.

When you apply for the extension your child will have to be with you.

For a one year extension of stay based upon being  their father you will need to prove your child is staying with you. 

1_

Ref.

legitimisation of parenthood [ l.o.p ]

 

1_1_

"Child's registered address" is relevant for application of l.o.p. ?

 

1_2_

"Child living at father's address" is not required for l.o.p. ?

 

............................................................................

 

2_

Ref.

 

a_

Non immigrant visa [ category O ] based upon being parent of a Thai child

 

&

 

b_

One year extension of stay at immigration based upon being parent of a Thai child

 

Per a_ & b_, above,- would the following proofs be likely to be acceptable by Thailand Ministry for Foreign Affairs [ a_ ], & also Thailand Immigration Department [ b_ ] :

 

2_1_

Proof that child stays overnight at home of father "every" day ?

 

2_2_

Proof only that child stays overnight at home of father "on weekends [ except Sundays where applicable ]" ?

Not weekends in such a case because for convenience of attending school,- better that child stays overnight at grandparents on nights before school-days.

 

2_3_

Proof only that child stays at home of father "for some of each day" ?

Child living at home of grandparents for some of each day.

 

19 hours ago, elviajero said:

Quote

3_

Must I apply for the extension ONLY at immigration office of same changwat where my child lives & is registered ?b

It doesn’t matter where the child is registered. You apply at the office that covers the address you live at.

 

But,- surely there is the likelihood, or at least the probability, that policy of particular immigration office & / or opinion of particular staff, is that applicant if genuine ought to reside in same changwat, & moreover amphoe [ if not tambon ], as where child is registered & lives ?

Thus demonstrating sincerity of intent to fulfill fatherly role to their child.

 

Could a father be successful in applying at for example Chaeng Wattana, Bangkok, for this extension giving as their address an address in Bangkok, for child registered in say Chang Mai, & living in I guess Chang Mai also ?

 

4 hours ago, elviajero said:

If you don’t have an embassy letter or 400K in the bank you need to show foreign transfers of at least 40K going in to your Thai bank account. They should only need to see 2 or 3 for the first extension.

 

They can accept an average income for family based extensions, but don’t count on it. It’s best to ensure you have at least 40K going in every month.

Thank u for hopeful substance in answer which also appearing to be from assured hand strengthens the hope that extra foreign transfers bringing my monthly income for the latest 2 or 3 months to at least THB 40,000 when I submit proof from my Thai bank a/c of my income will suffice for income condition.

 

QUESTIONS ;

 

1_

Do I need to submit this proof at Thai consulate in Savanakhet were I to apply for non immigrant visa category O there ?

 

2_

Do I need to submit this proof at Thai immigration office when I apply for the extension ?

 

3_

Must I apply for the extension ONLY at immigration office of same changwat where my child lives & is registered ?

 

.

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

You do not need to be the legal father of your child to apply for a 60 day extension to visit them.

I did not know this

This is very useful information for many foreigners to know.

But,- I expect that immigration will insist on submission of at least birth certificate bearing name of applicant as father.

 

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

The legitimization is only needed is to apply for a one year extension of stay at immigration based upon being the parent of a Thai. 

You could apply for a change of visa status to get a 90 day non immigrant visa entry (category O) based upon qualifying for an extension of stay for being the parent of a Thai at immigration.

Then during the last 30 days of the 90 day entry you could apply for an extension of stay.

I thought that to apply for change of visa status to non immigrant visa entry ( category O ) did not involve, let alone require, basing it upon qualifying for extension for being the parent of a Thai child ;

It seems to be like been allowed to have dinner [ visa entry ( 90 days ) ] because applicant qualifies for receiving desert [ extension ].

Interesting logic.

And,- I presume that this argument is common with many jurisdictions worldwide so.

 

Ref.

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_78

DOCUMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION FOR VISA OR VISA STATUS ALTERATION (NON-O): FOR A FAMILY MEMBER OF A THAI (APPLICABLE ONLY PARENTS, SPOUSE OR CHILD.

The application must be submit more than 15 days before visa expiration ... 1.1 Form TM.86 for the foreigner, who has Tourist ... and applies for Visa Status Alteration and applies for non-immigrant visa ...

Note ;

Ellipses [ ... ], above, indicate portions omitted because they apparently do not relate to my specific situation

 

I remind myself that I definitely could not apply for alteration of tourist visa to non immigration visa ( category O ) because I was within final 15 days of my visa expiration.

 

But,- I gather that this immigration office, because of their local policy, will not accept altering tourist visa to non immigrant category O visa even were I to have more than 15 days remaining before expiration of tourist visa.

Ditto no acceptance were I to apply more than 15 days remaining before expiration of the extension they just gave to me.

Instead they want me to obtain non-immigrant visa from Thai consulate in neighboring country, & then later obtain extension of that from them.

And,- I gather that they wish to refuse applications which are claiming THB 40,000, or more, per month income or THB 400,000 savings bank a/c or fixed deposit bank a/c already seasoned for however minimum number of months.

 

QUESTIONS :

 

1_

If not snookered by UK, USA, & Australia, refusnik consulate, & u wish to avoid going to ur lovely consulate & paying them the equally lovely fees,- will immigration accept applicant submitting the standard bank proof documents ?

 

2_

2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

If you are short of 40k baht from your pension it would be best to supplement it every month by transferring enough to reach the 40k baht number.

Automatic deposit machine [ ADM ] / cash deposit machine [ CDM ] deposits within LOS into one's Thai bank a/c is acceptable ?

 

3_

And, if the supplements commence only in the last few months leading up to submission of application,- is that acceptable ?

 

4_

Will 2_ [ above ] result in the applicant being accused of earning income in LOS ?

REPORT

 

1st

Tourist visa entrant [ Falang ] from Laos ;

 

2nd

Obtained "legitimisation of parenthood" at amphoe office [ Thailand ] where child is registered ;

I was informed to return in next week for to collect the certificate

Moreover,- there would also be a courtesy English language translation version of actual certificate for benefit of me a Falang.

However, upon returning on scheduled day,- amphoe staff inform me that they discovered since that translation version not possible.

And,- I learn that certificate [ Thai ] was actually available from day of my application.

As due certificate of legitimisation of parenthood,- I was given a plain double-sided black ink printed sheet & it bearing a blue ink stamp from the amphoe office ;

 

3rd

Obtained extension of stay [ 60 days ] at provincial immigration office, distant from me & my family, for reason stamped into passport ;

viz.

"Visiting Thai Children"

 

Note 1 ;

Stamp into passport page does not state ;

"Legal Parent of Thai Child"

Perhaps there is a difference between this term & the term "Visiting Thai Children" ?

I did not have the actual birth certificate of my Thai child [ my woman insisted that photocopy would suffice ], & offered photocopy of it instead.

However,- the staff stressed that actual birth certificate should be submitted as part of my application for extension.

I promised to them that I will return as soon as possible with actual birth certificate.

And,- I did visit this office on last day of my permission to stay, & late in the day too.

Because I needed to stay in amphoe so as to attend to my child staying as hospital in-patient being treated for dengue fever [ now discharged from hospital ], & I got lost traveling alone to this office.

 

Note 2 ;

Extension of stay for this reason is given once only per entry to LOS

 

Note 3 ;

If applicant had visa-exemption entry,- they could also get extension of stay for this reason.

 

Note 4 ;

Ref.

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_78

"... APPLICATION FOR VISA OR VISA STATUS ALTERATION (NON-O): FOR A FAMILY MEMBER OF A THAI (APPLICABLE ONLY PARENTS, SPOUSE OR CHILD)."

 

Ref. my current situation ;

Possible* to covert to non-immigrant visa type "O" from the immigration office

i.e.

convert from tourist visa to non-O visa at the immigration office

or

convert from the extension of stay to non-O visa at the immigration office

 

*

However,- particular immigration office wish that I instead apply for Non-O for above basis at Thai Consulate outside of Thailand.

.............................................................................................................

Ref.

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_78

The following evidence of income must be submitted.
8.1

A guarantee letter from the local or overseas Embassy or Consulate, proving the monthly income of the Applicant not less than Baht 40,000 per month;

...

 

QUESTION ;

 

Will immigration office or Thai consulate flexibly accept for income condition approx THB 39,000 from pension alone as "mean average" monthly income throughout the proceeding 12 months [ inclusive ] into my Thai bank account ?

Total income from pension alone of approx. THB 466,000 [ consisting of monthly sums of mean average perhaps approx. THB 38,000 for 11 months of year PLUS approx. THB 48,000 for Christmas ] enters into my Thai bank account throughout the immediately previous 12 months ?

Thus,- my regular income from pension alone is perhaps approx. THB 39,000 [ approx. THB 1,000 shy of above stipulated THB 40,000 .... ???? ]

 

Regards,

 

Our Man in the Tropics

On 6/3/2019 at 4:33 PM, ubonjoe said:

That is not done at immigration. If your child is 7 years old or older it can be done at a Amphoe if not it has to be done at a family court.

Topic here about it.  How To Gain Parental Rights As A Father 

Yes ubonjoe,

 

I knew that which u replied as correction ;

But,- somehow I forgot, & mistakenly referred to as to be done at immigration office.

Sorry for that.

 

Our Man in the Tropics

My plan is to :

 

1st

apply at that immigration office for "legitimisation of parenthood

 

2nd

apply at that immigration office for conversion of "tourist visa" to "non-O based on being parent of a Thai"

 

>>>>>>>>>>>

 

If 2nd is not accepted for submission as application,- I will go to Savanakhet to apply.

 

Many thanks ubonjoe for ur most helpful clear information.

 

Our Man in the Tropics

24 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It is 400k baht in a Thai bank or proof of 40k baht monthly income to apply for a visa or extension at immigration.

Not needed at the consulate in Savannakhet.

 

Hi ubonjoe,

 

Further to reviewing what u wrote,- I now find answer to my thus unnecessary subsequent question,

viz.

I wonder is "THB 400,000 in Thai bank account" or "THB 40,000 monthly income into Thai bank account" required for extension of non-O visa that would have been obtained at Savanakhet ?

 

Answer ;

Ref. above quote

"It is 400k baht in a Thai bank or proof of 40k baht monthly income to apply for a visa or extension at immigration. ..."

 

 

17 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It is 400k baht in a Thai bank or proof of 40k baht monthly income to apply for a visa or extension at immigration.

Not needed at the consulate in Savannakhet.

Hi ubonjoe,

 

For the tourist visa application at Savanakhet,- it was required that applicant submit bank book or bank statement from Thai bank that one has THB 20,000 currently ;

Or so was the criterion I seem to recall.

 

I wonder is "THB 400,000 in Thai bank account" or "THB 40,000 monthly income into Thai bank account" required for extension of non-O visa that would have been obtained at Savanakhet ?

20 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

40 minutes ago, Our Man in the Tropics said:

If apply at Savanakhet, Laos for that non-o visa based upon being the parent of a Thai,- what must the applicant bring to the Consulate ?

Your child's birth certificate and a copy of it. Copy of their house book registry.

 

Hi ubonjoe,

 

a_

Proof of regular income into Thai bank account totaling THB 400,000 for immediately previous 12 months is also required ?

 

b_

I recently succeeded in registering the TM 30 with Thai immigration of that province as tenant of a house ;

The landlord was not able to do so.

I produced the rental contract within deadline ;

And,- this sufficed in lieu of landlord not submitting application.

However,- my kid is residing up until now at their grand parents in the locality.

To transfer my kid to house book registry of my current address I think may be very awkward ;

I think that landlord will not welcome this complication.

So,- I wonder would an application stating "my kid registered to their grandparents' home" AND "I registered to separate address" be acceptable ?

 

I am not legally married.

I am about to apply for Legitimisation of Parenthood.

 

8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

1/2  Apply for a a single entry non-o visa based upon being the parent of a Thai instead of a tourist visa.

No need to do the conversion.

The work permit could be applied for while on the non-o visa

Then apply for the extension of staying based upon being the legal parent of a Thai.

X_

If apply at Savanakhet, Laos for that non-o visa based upon being the parent of a Thai,- what must the applicant bring to the Consulate ?

 

Y_

My situation now ;

I obtained Tourist Visa at Savanakhet a month ago.

I wish to convert -- whilst in Thailand if possible -- to Non-O based upon being the parent of a Thai

But,- recent phone call by my woman to Immigration office of the particular province I now registered in [ known to u recently by private message ] did not gain hopeful response ;

Most senior person with responsibility of this area :

 

Y_1_

informed her that he is only very new to this topic, & thus far knows very little

 

Y_2_

thinks that the only way a foreigner can get such a transfer is if the foreigner :

 

Y_2_1_

has a Non-B visa instead

 

Y_2_2_

has over THB 1 million in a Thai bank account.

 

On 6/1/2019 at 10:26 AM, ubonjoe said:

You should be able to do it that early but that will depend upon your local offices policy.

How long is your planned trip out of the country? It could be done on the last day of your current extension if needed.

Your re-entry permit is valid until that day.

 

The problem is that the work permit office would not accept an application with that type of extension or the original visa you used for entry to the country.

 

Hi ubonjoe,

 

Is it the case that work permit office would not accept application from person thus :

 

1_

 

1st

tourist visa from Laos

 

2nd

conversion of that tourist visa to non-immigrant visa type O [ given for reason of having Thai child ] ?

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

2_

1_ [ above ] followed by extension on the non-immigrant visa type O ?

 

 

Which immigration offices allow tourist-visa holder to change to non-immigrant visa Class-O rather than the tourist-visa holder having to apply for that non-O at Thai Consulate in South-East Asia ?

 

Ditto,- which immigration offices do not allow ?

 

Thank u ubonjoe for ur reassuring answer.

 

OUR MAN IN THE TROPICS

 

Ref.

Tourist Visa [ Single Entry ]

 

to

 

1^st

Non-Immigrant Visa [ based on being active Parent to Child they would be legitimised for ]

at "Chaeng Wattana" ?

 

to

2^nd

Extension of Stay

at "Chaeng Wattana" ?

IN OTHER WORDS ;

Tourist Visa Entrant subsequently with "Legitimisation of Parenthood" can obtain Non-Immigrant Visa ; Class "O", & later "Extension" -- based on being with their Thai child -- both at Chaeng Wattana ?

 

NOTE ;

Applicant for Legitimisation of Parenthood now has “Registered” Address with Thai Immigration in province up-country ;

Their previous address [ at time of "Tourist Visa" Entry ] was in Bangkok.

 

Dear Fellow Thaivisa.com Posters,

 

I would be grateful for your earliest kind authoritative answers to the above question.

 

Thanking yee all in advance,

 

 

OUR MAN IN THE TROPICS

Re ;

"LEGITIMISATION OF PARENTHOOD" THROUGH AMPHUR OFFICE PROCESS ;

NOT Court Process

Thai Child of Parent is older than 7 Years

 

Dear Fellow Thaivisa.com Posters,

 

I would be grateful for your earliest kind authoritative answers to the following question ;

 

Upon Applicant [ Parent who is NOT YET legitimised as Parent ] submitting the required documentation to Amphur Office for Legitimisation of Parenthood,- what is the duration to get the Confirmation / Certificate ?

 

Thanking yee all in advance,

 

Our man in the tropics.

9 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:

You seem determined  to chase your tail with this.

Basically the  Consul and the staff  doing business  within the Consulate are immune from local law in doing that business. The diplomatic immunity  for  Diplomatic  staff  provides  immunity even outside the Consulate even for offences  which  for mere mortals  would suffer lengthy prison time.

Only in situations serious enough can the host  country to demand the recall of such staff or in the extreme demand the  closure without  other legal redress..

Any  complaint or  course of action against Consulate staff would have to  be attempted in the home  country of  any Consulate via  pertinent Foreign Affairs.

Consul & various categories of staff downwards seem to be the choicest options for SOCIOPATHS accordingly qualified so ;

An unimpeachable license to be as hideous as one's rank permits ;

 

Papa Spooks in Foreign Affairs of sending country of course would snuff any citizen pursuing matters through their PARTIAL chamber.

 

What makes u so sure about what u say ?

 

Anyway,- surely the citizen should be able to bring matters to open court of sending country instead of the Star Chamber of the Papa Spooks ?

18 hours ago, blackcab said:

Off topic posts have been removed.

 

If this topic does not get some legs it is at risk of being closed.

Hi blackcab,

 

I know from numerous conversations with tourists & expats that even citizens of some sending countries experience terrible behavior of omission & / or commission from their consulates ;

Stories continue into the present.

Thus,- I hope that u allow this thread to remain open by way of very valuable portal for suffering citizens, of sending country at least, to give & take information.

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You can only select a day for the appointment. There are no time slots. When you click a day it makes an appointment for that day.

I use the term "time slot" because it explains properly for the reader what the system's official term "slot" means ;

 

And, yes,- I did associate the term "slot" as referring to the day as a totality.

 

I am hopeful that my situation can be resolved to confirm the date I selected last night & had to repeatedly try to get acknowledgement from the computer system that I had indeed successfully [ "according to the system" ] selected the particular slot ;

I am hopeful because in my personal experience & casual observance of Thai Immigration Department in general, & many other government interactions, Thai officialdom is in the main salutary very helpful to good foreigners in solving situations to mutual satisfaction.

 

Yes ;

Last night I kept clicking the same button for the same time slot ;

Because,- I had not received a confirmation for what I did on each occasion ;

Same as when I have to keep re-pressing my mobile telephone's "on" button until I get confirmation that it is "on" ;

 

I expect that the system has designed for this occurrence to not deem that particular action as wrongful.

Because, if u do not receive acknowledgement that u completed the selection of available slot it implies that would try repeatedly until u do.

 

However,- if user clicks the button for different time slots repeatedly,- I would expect that the system would find that to be wrongful action by the user.

 

My actions I contend are what a reasonable ordinary person would do in the circumstances [ including having prior noted that changing of dates would result in 10 day suspension ]

 

I did not change the time slot at any stage.

Rather,- I repeatedly tried to secure one particular time slot.

 

I wonder ;

How can I solve this situation now ?

 

 

17 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Does it appear on when you click my appointment(s) after logging in.

 

No, ubonjoe.

 

Rather,- the following appears after I click my appointment after logging in ;

 

My Appointment

 

*Please note that for every appointment cancellation it will be 10 days suspension

 

 

Update ;

 

I still have no confirmation ;

 

1_

I checked :

 

1_1_

my Thaivisavientiane.com Online Account

 

&

 

1_2_1_

my email In-Box

 

&

 

1_2_2_

my email Junk-Box

 

 

2_

I just sent message through their contact form :

 

2_1_

informing them of this situation

 

2_2_

requesting their very earliest kind personal reply to me