Our Man in the Tropics

11 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

They send the confirmation by email. Just wait for it.

OK

Thanks for that peace-of-mind.

 

Anyway,- I must say what I feel all along is that the Thai Authorities are excellently nice in their attitude to most foreigners from developed / delapidating ? Europhile countries.

The wording of the website is example of that.

I have just gone through the process ;

 

 

 

And, owing to no confirmation having been sent to "My Appointment" Tab

 

of Dashboard within My Online Appointment Account specially given to me

 

as applicant through

 

https://www.thaivisavientiane.com/ThaiConsular/appointment/index
 

I felt need to repeat trying to secure that earliest "Available Slot" that offered as available.

And,- it is still the situation, as I compose this update, that I have no confirmation.

 

I hope that my repeated attempts to get that confirmation does not cause the system to fault me.

 

At present,- I will give the process a few more hours to reply.

 

If still no confirmation,- I will consider sending email to the Consulate explaining my situation.

Thank u, ubonjoe ;

 

I will return to this thread to report how this making-an-appointment process went for me.

 

Cheers,

 

Our Man in the Tropics

Dear Fellow thaivisa.com Posters,

 

BACKGROUND ;

Some 15 days remaining on my Permitted to Stay of Extension to Visa Exemption Entry ;

 

1_

How late can I book Appointment at Vientiane for Non-Immigrant Visa ?

 

2_

I would greatly appreciate a Link giving the Online-Application Form for booking Appointment.

 

 

Thanking yee all in advance for yer helpful replies,

 

Our Man in the Tropics

5 hours ago, Langsuan Man said:

You do realize that the url you posted is only for you local C drive, no one else can read it

Thank u for bringing that mistake to my notice, Langsuan.

 

Here is the intended url ;

 

https://www.epsu.org/sites/default/files/article/files/Final_reportAmsterdamlawclinic.pdf

 

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, Nip said:

I often wondered why certain people became Honorary Consuls. By certain people I mean beligerent unhelpful individuals who can peel an orange with one hand in their trouser pocket. Because apart from minimum expenses, a salary of no more than €1400 per annum why would they do it? Bit like the tourist police volunteers perhaps? It's got to have something to do with money and shakedown on a local level and money laundering and drug carrying on an international level. Anyway embassies should be properly named as Foreign Trade Missions.

And,- not forgetting that there are the Honorary Consul's wives ;

 

While the Honorary Consul is fxxking around the Citizen,

the Honorary Consul's wife is out to play

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Honorary_Consul_(film)

 

 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085236/

 

 

I agree that it would be a very daunting task ;

But,- sometimes u must fight back against Goliaths.

Look at the extra-ordinary people of France standing up against the thugs of M-I-CRON ;

They have no option but to show their umbrage.

 

What exactly do u mean with this statement ? ;

 

"Get back to us if you have access to a computer after the verdict."

Hey "Just Weird",

 

If u see no merit in this thread,- please vamose !

 

U ARE TROLLING !

5 hours ago, Nip said:

According to Transparency International there is a great deal of criminality by Embassy and Consulate employees world wide. Money laundering and the unknown contents of diplomatic bags were mentioned. It was also interesting to note that Honorary Consuls are entitled to the fees they receive for such things as Visas and Embassy Letters?  I also note that some Consuls are operating or operated in Thailand without the Thai DFA's required approval.

1_

For sure,- certain countries consistently send a SPYING Mission as the ostensible innocent Mission to particular countries or indeed ALL countries with main brief to spy on :

1_1_

host country

& / or

1_2_

foreign entities in the host country

 

2_

For sure,- Drug Barons have availed of Diplomats to courier Class A narcotics across jurisdictions.

 

3_

For sure,- certain Embassies & Consulates :

3_1_

connive WITH other Embassies & Consulates & other entities

&

3_2_

connive AGAINST other Embassies & Consulates & other entities

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

So,- the general Diplomatic, & Consular, Culture, & that includes Missions who do not engage in Spook-Shenanigans, must be tainted to some degree ;

 

Anyway,- at least 1 Consulate in Thailand really sucks in a deadly way ;

They should be sued big time.

Plaintiffs should be very generously compensated.

Staff guilty of malfeasance should be fired at least.

3 hours ago, Letseng said:

Consular staff has no diplomatic status and protection. Nowadays, they are locally employed staff who either happen to be nationals of the country they work for or just locally employed Thai staff.

But of course they don't work in Thailand but on XX country soil.

If the reason you want to take legal action happened outside the embassy/consulate, they are no different to anybody else.

This was the situation when I worked in this line many moons ago. Has the rule changed?

 

 

Thank u Letseng for what u convey ;

I value it as very reliable ;

 

However,- I rush to inform from my limited personal experience that not all staff today in Consulates located Thailand are necessarily non-nationals of the sending country

i.e.

some staff, particularly the management seemingly hidden away in part of the Consulate, or perhaps managing remotely from the premises by telephone & computer & fax & video link, I expect are nationals of the country of that very consulate

e.g.

UK nationals of the UK Consulate in respective part of Thailand

 

Re ; CHANCERY

Off-hand,- I am not sure if the term "chancery" applies to :

x_

all "staff" who work in a Consulate

 

OR

 

y_1_

only particular "functions"

 

& / or

 

y_2_

only particular "origins" ; viz. non-nationals of the "sending" country

5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

1. It will only be valid to the date the permit to stay it is issued for. If a 90 day entry from a non-o it would end on the same day it does.

The extension would give you a new permit to stay date so you would need a new re-entry permit that will only be valid to the date the extension ends.

2. to 2.2 No

Thank u ubonjoe for definitive handle on particular part of crucial information to know in considering applying for Re-Entry Permits.

Ref.

MULTIPLE Re-Entry Permit ;

 

Will Multiple Re-Entry Permit obtained ahead of getting Extension :

 

1_

become void when Extension of Stay is granted ?

 

OR

 

2_

continue to be valid during :

 

2_1_

1st Extension of Stay

 

& / or

 

2_2_

ALL continuing Extensions of Stay

 

3 minutes ago, simon43 said:

 

 

But, of course, dearest simon43,- ... :

 

Content & URLs have been duly saved by concerned observers

 

the internet is not the only preserve of EVIDENCE ;

And,- categorical Evidence does exist & will forever persist

 

DO U -- to quote the great "actor & film director" Mel Gibson -- HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT ?

 

Anyway,- more is the shame that many a non-Thai Consulate does not treat their nationals as Thai Consulates typically treat foreigners, & Thai.

2 hours ago, simon43 said:

 

 

 

Link please to the report about "one particular mission's premises to Thailand".

Dear simon43,

 

There were links on internet giving some information on deadly policy & behavior of at least one particular mission ;

But, alas,- it appears that they have been SENT DOWN THE ORWELLIAN MEMORY HOLE ;

 

 

Some more very convincingly authoritatively knowledgeable helpful replies since I was away ;

Thanks for those.

I did give a "like" to each.

 

By the way, when I reckoned that there surely has been many a rape & other sexual assaults at embassies & consulates upon visitors,- I was, as gathered from the context at that particular stage of reflections, referring to the world as a whole ;

Retrograde behavior witnessed of other sorts hint of totally low character that would be tempted to sexually assault when they want to be extra dastardly ;

 

But,- I guess that we shan't consider corrupt female personnel of higher rank capable of that sort of thing in any country of mission.

 

Important to inform the readership that this is a very sincere & warranted thread ;

Increasingly,- there are in the ready dialogues of discerning Falangs & Thai some deadly stories agreed as being truthful & factual of various appalling policy & behavior inflicted by Consulate Personnel upon Visitors, Nationals of the sending Country no less, in at least one particular Consulate mission's premises to Thailand.

Sorry, folks ;

I must vacate this thread until further notice ;

 

Pressing personal matter obtains now.

 

Thank u.

1 minute ago, ballpoint said:

I would suggest that charges be pressed in the home country.

I suspect that there has been many the case of such a rape, & other sexual assaults, committed by higher rank Consulate Personnel upon Visitors at the Consulates ;

And,- very likely that nationals of the Country of the Consulate were often the victim because they considered more isolated & thus vulnerable.

20 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

If an embassy / consulate staff member has diplomatic immunity then they may be expelled from the country they are in, but, in case of any prosecution, it is up to their home country to allow it to be waived.  There were two fairly recent contrasting examples from New Zealand:

 

Firstly, in 2014, the Malaysian assistant defence attache was charged with burglary and assault with intent to rape, and could not be prevented from returning to Malaysia.  To their credit, the Malaysian government waived his immunity and he was returned to NZ, convicted for indecent assault, served a 9 month home detention sentence and deported.

 

The other was when the deputy head of the EU Mission refused to pay $20,000 back rent owed on her Wellington house when leaving the country, and the EU refused to allow a waiver, meaning she was free to leave with the rent unpaid.  Tough for the landlord.

 

Lower ranked members of staff may have functional immunity, whereby they are immune for any crime committed while carrying out their regular duties, but liable for anything else.

Thank u for helpful reply, ballpoint.

 

I wonder what are the options following rape by Consulate Personnel who is [ are ] National of the Country of the Consulate upon Visitor [ same Nationality ] at Consulate ?

Further to the latest helpful replies [ cleopatra2, & noise ] :

 

Ref.

cleopatra2 [ Post # 17 ]

 

Thailand ratified the convention in 1985, rendering any domestic laws pertaining , subservient to the International Treaty.

 

1_

What are the avenues for Visitor, especially a National of that very Consulate, against :

 

1_1_

Defamation by Consulate as a whole ?

 

1_2_

Defamation by Individual [ National of the Country the Consulate belongs to ] ?

 

1_3_

Unjustifiable Threats ? ;

And, thereby making the victim feel "terrorised" ;

And, thus,- the victim should be suing against TERRORISM.

 

1_4_

other wrongful behavior -- COMMISSION & / OR OMISSION -- committed upon the Visitor [ in this case a National of that Consulate ] ?

 

2_

CAN THEY BE SUED AT THE COUNTRY ITSELF [ Country the Consulate belongs to ] ?

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Ref.

noise [ Post # 18 ]

 

The second avenue would be to search Thailand precedents in this arena and deciding under what extraordinary circumstances would a Thai court even accept such a case. 

 

It would be very helpful were there :

 

A_1_

a dedicated compilation of Thailand precedents in this area ONLY

 

A_2_

a list of the ORDINARY, & EXTRAORDINARY, Circumstances where a Thai Court would even accept such a Case

 

B_1_

a dedicated compilation of the Country of Consulate's precedents in this area ONLY

 

B_2_

a list of the ORDINARY, & EXTRAORDINARY, Circumstances where a Court of Country of Consulate would even accept such a Case

 

C_

This isn't, by any chance, some law school required paper, is it?

 

No.

 

 

To help readers to help me in this enquiry,- I submit 2 links which I just found now ;

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consul_(representative)#Consulates_and_embassies

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consular_immunity

6 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

So it’s a hypothetical troll post,,got it!

Nay !

It is NOT a "hypothetical troll post".

 

Rather,- it is a REAL post about a HYPOTHETICAL Situation ;

And,- u betcha that this HYPOTHETICAL Situation is most relevant to all decent "un-connected" visitors to Consulates.

 

Ur language, & indeed attitude, is NOT diplomatic ... regrettably.

31 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

Was the offender a citizen of the consulate country or Thailand? Never mind your premise is too vague and you seem to be well informed already.

Clearly,- I have posed this post towards the HYPOTHETICAL Case of Consulates & / or INDIVIDUAL working in those Consulates IN Thailand ;

 

Again, lest a reader misapprehend the reality,- a Consulate "in" Thailand is NOT a Thailand Consulate ;

Rather,- they are Consulates representing respective Foreign Countries [ NOT Thailand ]

 

I am a little informed only ;

 

My reasoning is very much guided by mankind's civilised sense of natural justice ;

And,- natural justice is the penultimate plea that lawmakers refer to when justifying laws.

Ref.

Link given by KhunBenQ above

Post # 6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Diplomatic_Relations 

 

Summary of provisions

The treaty is an extensive document, containing 53 articles.

The following is a basic overview of its key provisions.^[2]

 

• Article 9.
• The host nation at any time and for any reason can declare a particular member of the diplomatic staff to be persona non grata.
• The sending state must recall this person within a reasonable period of time, or otherwise this person may lose their diplomatic immunity.
•  
• Article 22.
• The premises of a diplomatic mission, such as an embassy, are inviolable and must not be entered by the host country except by permission of the head of the mission. Furthermore, the host country must protect the mission from intrusion or damage. The host country must never search the premises, nor seize its documents or property.
•  
• Article 24
• establishes that the archives and documents of a diplomatic mission are inviolable. The receiving country shall not seize or open such documents.
•  
• Article 29.
• Diplomats must not be liable to any form of arrest or detention.
• They are immune from civil or criminal prosecution,
• though the sending country may waive this right under Article 32.
•  
• Article 31.1c
• Actions not covered by diplomatic immunity:
• professional activity outside diplomat's official functions. ; ? ? ?

And,- I recollect that there are different levels of Diplomatic Immunity & "Associated" Protections for certain personnel employed by Embassies & / or Consulates & / or by proxy for the Embassies & / or Consulates [ There is the notion that Chancery Staff ( non-nationals of the particular country's Embassy / Consulate ) can be personally employed by the Consul, say, rather than the Consulate ].

 

THINK !

Consulate address is the scene of the Wrongs committed upon the Visitor ;

 

1_

Surely, the legitimate option is there for the Visitor to sue separately :

 

1_1_

the Consulate > Department of Foreign Affairs of that country through Thailand's Laws ?

 

1_2_

the Consulate > Department of Foreign Affairs of that country through that country's Laws ?

 

1_3_

the INDIVIDUAL Personnel through Thailand's Laws ?

 

1_4_

the INDIVIDUAL Personnel through that Country's Laws [ if the Personnel have residence rights & / or citizenship of that country ] ?

 

 

Surely diplomatic immunity is STRICTLY given to only certain individuals ?

 

From my research vis-a-vis international discussions on Diplomatic Immunity some time ago,- I gather that Consulates are not locations that protect any & all staff with Diplomatic Immunity just on the basis of it being a Consulate ;

Please feel free to correct this theory vis-a-vis the general international view ;

 

Moreover,- I am interested in Thailand's laws on this topic ;

And,- I am very interested in legal precedents that have succeeded or failed for individuals & / or others in suing Consulates & / or INDIVIDUAL Personnel of Consulates.

 

I trust that this is a most stimulating topic for all nationalities everywhere.