RAZZELL

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

 

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Guilty! 

Just now, Purdey said:

Reducing pay is a no-no with the labor department. Go there for advice.

She already called. See above.

4 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

She WILL win in court. Your company will have to fight the lawyers of the Labor Department not the employee.

The person responsible for the illegal action could actually facing jail time. HR in general shts their pants for the Labor Department. Just bluff poker from your company. 

Exactly.

I have a "farang" mate who got made redundant without severance a few years ago. He went to the Labor Office and as soon as they got involved the company coughed up.

Also, what some people commentating don't understand is in Thailand you are not hiring a lawyer and going to court, the Labor Office (ie a govt department) goes into bat on your behalf.

Do you think a Thai judge goes against "the Government"?

An update - as previously mentioned yesterday my wife contacted the Labor Office who said "withdraw your resignation"! Then see how the company responds.

This morning she messaged HR Head APAC (who obviously is oblivious to what is going on) who then scheduled an appointment and they talked for an hour.

She then sent a rather long email written by yours truly to all of them.

She is off work today but this should set the cat amongst the pigeons.

3 hours ago, 1FinickyOne said:

So, there must be a reason that they don't want to pay her.... I know when I had decent employees I paid them well because I wanted them to both stay and be satisfied.

There has been a change of country manager/director and also HR head. What do new people do? "I'm going to improve the bottom line by cutting costs!"

7 hours ago, 1FinickyOne said:

Well, like everything else, if nobody else will pay her that much, then that is her market value. It's not nice but if someone else can do her job, happily at half the salary, then that is her worth - - 110k sounds like a lot of money here. How much does a doctor earn? 

Look on Jobs DB.

Every boutique Manager in the "Luxury goods space" is on about 80-120k.

A Retail Manger maybe 150k.

Country Manager/Director 150-350k.

They are multi-million us dollar businesses.

eg this one in Phuket 90-150k!  (I think it is for Louis Vuitton)

https://th.jobsdb.com/th/search-jobs/luxury-retail/1

And as an aside you won't believe this - but when my wife had a previous job here one of her quarterly bonuses was £17k!!!

12 hours ago, blackcab said:

Before you do anything, including firing off letters, contact the Department of Labour Protection and Welfare. Ask them exactly what steps to take and what to write in the letter.

 

Remember you are writing your letter as potential evidence in the Labour Court at a future date. Don't mention things like megative publicity as it comes across as threatening.

 

Telephone: 1506 Extension 3

Email: [email protected]

Line: https://lin.ee/B61BIi4

My wife spoke to the Labour Protection Department today - they advised her to "withdraw her resignation" and then see what happens. They reiterated that what the Company are attempting to do is illegal.

The email/letter has been written - she will send it first thing in the morning so they have no time to "collude" before she goes to work. She is also sending it to the overall Head of APAC and the APAC HR Chief who probably know nothing about what is going on in Thailand.

Here's hoping.

Thanks for all the suggestions and positive advice 

This is when this Forum is at its best.

RAZZ

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

I'm not a labor lawyer ... but, if her employment is dependent on 'contracts', and her current one is expiring, it would seem they don't have to renew it, or can offer her a different position, new contract (which it appears they have) when her contract does expire.

 

Seems to be legal, in that aspect.  Not forcing her to accept or leave.  Until her present contract expires.  If this is a merger or take over, then a very common practice.

She signed a new contract in April 2023.

1 minute ago, FritsSikkink said:

Still go to the Labor office, they can help.

She's calling them now.

2 minutes ago, proton said:

110k in sales in Thailand?, she's been over paid!

You obviously don't know the Thai Labour Market.

Many Management "luxury goods" jobs available for 100k + look on Jobs DD etc.

Unbeknown to me they had pressurised bullied her into resigning thai style/loss of face etc.

Some background.

My wife has worked in the retail sector for more than 20+ years including in the UK.

For the last 6 years or so she has held management positions in Thailand in the "Luxury goods sector".

The last year or so her contract has been around 110k a month (from memory) plus bonuses etc. Her stated position is "Manager".

Recently there has been a change of "Country Head" and they are trying to cut costs/bring in their own team.

She has been told they are going to demote her to "Senior Sales" and make her take a pay cut to 50k.

Obviously this is unacceptable to her and she wants to resign.

What are the legalities of this situation under Thai Labour Law?

Surely it would be construed as some sort of "constructive or unfair dismissal".

Anyone know a good lawyer who can perhaps draft a letter to HR or the Country Head?

Thanks for any advice.

3 hours ago, bignok said:

Not fit. Falls over a lot. 10kgs overweight.

He broke his leg in 3 places playing golf. And still has “nine pins, a six-inch plate and a wire” in his leg. I suppose you're an "athlete"? 

https://wisden.com/series-stories/ashes-2023/ashes-2023-jonny-bairstow-hits-out-keeping-criticism-comeback-ashes-blitz

As others have suggested - go and see Maneerat in Pattaya.

And good luck.

Delete it and use Brave.

Problem solved.

4 minutes ago, bignok said:

4 or 5 nil better. With no Warner and Lyon playing could have done it.

Mark Wood missed the first two Tests because he was injured. Different story then!

You lot were petrified 

20 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

The prospect of going to the oval at 2-2, to play out a thrilling decider, has been enchanting the genuine cricket fans from both of these great cricketing nations; only the dimmest of partisans crave a trophy so badly as to be gratified by a non result.

Absolutely spot on.

King Rama V had a Patek Philippe pocket watch which you can see on display in the Patek museum.

https://www.prestigeonline.com/th/watches/watch-art-grand-exhibition-singapore-2019/#:~:text=Sold on December 3%2C 1897,enamelled royal emblem of Siam.

Can't be many condos with 37+ floors?

You don't really need to build a "page".

Go on Facebook Marketplace. Then create an ad.

Just as many people look on there.