canthai55

I have NEVER heard of fundamental rights being curtailed or suspended - and then some time in the future restored.

When they are gone, they are gone for good - until Revolution happens

1 hour ago, sucit said:

This is actually a very good question.

 

Assume we are discussing in a place like the United States for clarity’s sake…

 

You can always take away rights to save lives or do “good” in some way. I don’t understand why people do not realize this. There could be a serial hacker stealing funds from accounts in the USA, and to catch them, we’d all have to give up our right to illegal searches and seizures let’s say for argument’s sake. Well, it does not matter one bit we could save a bunch of people from criminals by losing the 4th amendment right. The point of it being a right is that it gets upheld even in the tough times, death, tragedy or all hell breaking loose be damned. 
 

You see, that’s how that works. Constitutional rights stay that way in the tough times… in fact during those tough times is the most important periods when we need to maintain them. 
 

The only entities who logically should want right infringement are those who would benefit, which would be governments. Citizens have to be absolutely mind <deleted> bonkers to release their rights. That’s what we see now, and that is how you know everyone is <deleted> crazy and they sure as hell should not be listened to, for their own good in the end. 
 

To answer the question, these are not disagreements. They are one citizen saying “I want this right taken away from everyone because I’m afraid”. Well, you don’t get to say that. My right is protected constitutionally. So yeah those are essentially fighting words, because if enough sheep think like you, we all lose. You literally are not allowed to do that. It’s not a disagreement but it’s one person wants to violate the rights of others because of their beliefs. They need to follow their own beliefs in a way not to infringe upon those of others. 

Your user name could be succinct - good post

2 hours ago, Tanomazu said:

 It almost cost the US a revolution.

"Oh yes the glory of America, how could we forget since you American people never shut up about it

Here's US history in a nutshell :

1)millions of pounds invested in new British colonies

2)France tries to invade but Britain defends its colonies at the cost of 120,000 lives in the world's first truly global war

 

3) ungrateful colonists refuse to contribute to the costs of this war despite the wealth of the land

4) US propaganda brands king George a tyrant - the King who ended slavery and spent 40% of Britain's GDP buying their freedom

5) US revolts and is on the verge of losing its own revolutionary war until the French intervene

6) Britain occupied by total war with Napoleon and has its real armies on the continent

7) Britain cuts its losses and goes on to defeat Napoleon and restore the sovereignty of the nations of Europe

8)US claims victory and begins its life with a national attitude of arrogance

9) US continues slavery for another 60 years and has to have a civil war to resolve the matter

10) claims to be the greatest country in the world despite the fact that they established their nation on millions of pounds of stolen property, slave labour and genocide of the natives

11) does little to help France during 2 world wars despite France being instrumental in their revolution

12) content to let Britain and Europe suffer until Japan drags them into the war 13) goes on to completely mess up the world order for the next 6 decades

14) society starts to crumble, many live in poverty and social unrest plagues the nation.Yet it still screeches hysterically about its manifest destiny

15) world at large getting sick of their <deleted>".

7 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Feeling the opposite. Old folks are set in their anti LGBTQ and misogynistic ways... younger folk should know better.

Old people can learn new ways of thinking too - you never stop learning (or you should not do)

When I was a boy Germany and the German people were never discussed. This was not long after WWII. Still a very raw wound, as many family members were lost during that time.

But I learned that it was not THE German people, it was SOME German people. An important distinction.

But I will agree that anyone who holds racist, bigoted, sexist, misogynistic, beliefs is not worth my time. They have learned nothing, and at this late date will not changes their spots so to speak.

4 minutes ago, Tanomazu said:

Errm, homosexuality was illegal only 54 years ago.

 

And of course polyamory and bestiality are legal now in many countries, just like homosexuality. In fact many homosexuals wanted to make paedophilia legal in the 1970s as well.

Running out of argument space ? Quoting stats from over 50 years ago ?

So tell us - how were things during the Roman Empire ?

8 minutes ago, Tanomazu said:

Russia and Hungary did exactly the right thing. They are protecting society from LGBT propaganda. You won't see Russia or Hungary spending 580 million USD of taxpayer money on a plesbiscite to make gay marriage legal. The only reason this deviation of sexual practice has succeeded in getting politicians to throw millions of dollars at it is because of straight people who support it, like you.

 

Because people think that homosexual rights, gay marriage etc does not affect you. But it affects you, and more than you think.

 

If only our own politicians had the insight and courage the politicians in Russia and Hungary have.

WOW - you are really Far Far out on your beliefs

LGBT - wrong

Not having children - Wrong

Maybe read the UN Declaration of Human Rights - get a feel for what the majority in the world believes

40 minutes ago, robblok said:

Disagree, dangerous falsehoods should never be allowed. Of course that is a nice statement of me but not really practical I realize that. I just don't believe that it should be allowed to use fake information, lies and stuff like that. How to really make that happen, no idea yet. Many people seem to thave these views but nobody has a perfect solution.

 

I mean suppose all is allowed and I make a fake page with an alleged chat of you with a young girl. Put in some fake pics and other allegations boom, your reputation is gone all of a sudden your a paria. I mean free speech correct ? (i know its extreme but that is what people are saying if they want to allow everything to be said without any restrictions and checks on information. 

 

On the other hand you got the problem if free speech is totally gone information can be hidden and in some cases the truth will never come out. 

 

IMHO its hard to make perfect rules but i still prefer it if there were some limits and checks on information. 

This is what is meant ...

Freedom of speech and the right to freedom of expression applies to ideas of all kinds including those that may be deeply offensive. But it comes with responsibilities and we believe it can be legitimately restricted.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/free-speech-freedom-expression-human-right

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

1 hour ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

Either way free  speech should be  allowed in any and every discussion.

Agree 100%

The Killing of Kenneth Chamberlain

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8906722/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

A taste of what it is like to be black in america

I have read no post here that says people should take Ivermectin.

People have posted the results they had when taking it.

I have read no post telling others to take it.

People need to Chill Da ---- Out

People in the USA take horse sized doses - that is not the fault of anyone but themselves. Maybe Darwin at work 'from sea to shining sea'

Want to Laugh ?

Village Without Women

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1776356/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

MV Group

56 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

Ever think you didn't really have Covid?  Where you tested for it?   You may have had a cold or the flu and those symptoms were alliviated by the slight anti-viral affects of ivermectin.

On 9/13/2021 at 4:02 PM, papa al said:

Came down with the 'vid July 23.

Upper resp and eyes inflamed &c..

Took Lazada Iver 20mg.

Feeling pretty good in 2 days. 

Riding dirt bike again in  a week.

Sept.10: Antigen test was (-).

             Antibody test was (+) at >3000.

Supposedly this indicates that I have no covid now,

but did before,

and now have big time immunity.

//////

[Old & obese but healthy]

23 hours ago, papa al said:

Done got it.

When papa got covid in July,

20mg poultry Iver cleared it up

pronto.

 

Maybe read the thread

Rode up there a few times. Went all the way to the border, as I usually do.

Pretty place. Don't go to bars so can't say - but doubt if there are any.

Pretty much the same as any rural area here - rice fields, temples, mountains.

20 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Would that be out of guilt, perhaps culling would assist ?

I did not do anything - hence no guilt - but support them with my taxes.

How many generations should be made to pay for this mythical "Guilt"

Do we go back 100 - 200 - 500 - 1,000 years ?

Do the people killed by Genghis Khan seek reparations from the Gov't of Mongolia ?

It was a long time ago.

Get Over It

Wanna live in country X ? Then contribute to it - not just Take Take Take - More More More - while crying the same old song.

9 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Wow, did you just listen to what you said, that is deep, actually shallower than shallow.

Is your home country one that spends billions on no result, other than the same old same old ?

Mine is.

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

Albert Einstein

Known to be very shallow 555

31 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Have you ever asked yourself how the original owners of the land feel looking at all of the migrants in the country that was stolen from them, feeling would be pretty much the same, if not deeper if you ask me,

So ... throughout history people who have invaded land, killed or imprisoned the resident population, are thieves ?

Way of the World and not just the human world, plants, animals, insects.

What I am against is the never ending welfare handouts to these same indigenous people.

How long has it been ? When are they going to learn ? If never, then in steps Darwin and poof - problem solved.

8 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 but you can't force them to listen

In a nutshell.

Post your opinion, and let the chips fall where they may.

What censorship tries to do is FORCE people to adhere to one principal, one idea. All others are banned.

IM not so HO that is what is happening today, with "Influencers" making peoples minds up for them. 

Post garbage, people see that X number of people follow you, and its "OH, he must know what he is talking about"

555

Just shows how many ignorant people there are in the world, trotting out the old concentration guard defense "But I was only following orders"

15 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

So human rights, equality and egalitarianism has not currency in you world, nor equal rights and humanism.

You posted that people would be a collaborator - hence the Hogwash remark.

Nowhere in the post I quoted did you mention the terms above.

And where have they EVER existed on this planet ?

The idea - yes. The practical application - never.

I am a child of the 60's, MLK etc. Nothing much has changed - whitewash job and more talking heads now is all.

Oh - and the terms used. "People of color" - well, that makes it OK then.

555

Agree timmyp - those pro lockdown remind me of anti abortion crusaders in days gone by.

I am right - you are wrong. If you do not agree, you should be shot ... kind of thing.

We do not have a clue what the vaccines will do long term - they are too new.

We do not know what covid will do long term - it is too new.

Your examples of Japan and Sweden are correct.

Two of the only nations on this planet who did not do the "Chicken with their head chopped off" response.

And to all the posters loading up with rock salt and bacon rind - I am vaccinated, and got the jabs as soon as I could.

The Guilty 2018

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6742252/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2

7.5 but worth at least 1 more. Excellent

41 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Do unto others.......

A good translation -

"Praise Jesus, but keep your powder dry"

555

2 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

Dont bother to watch the series it is absolute dross.

Don't watch broadcast TV for well over 20 years.

Watch very few TV series as well, altho some are outstanding.

Bron/Broen as one example - Peaky Blinders as another