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4G data sim with Public IP address?

only need for a month so prefer pre-paid,

 

thanks in advance 

hi all,

anyone know of a good gym that is air conditioned on the North Side of Hua Hin, around soi 6?

 

thanks

52 minutes ago, Hummin said:

If land office accept contract, the legal paperwork and the signatures, sign and stamp the official papers.

 

No money under table 

 

It is legal.

 

Why you worry about later when land office approve the sale and new chanote when money is handed over.

 

my wife thinks the same as you say,  I am worried as there is a lot of money on the line.

40 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

It sounds a bit messy with the foreign father apparently planning to receive these funds in lieu of an absent daughter 'that can't be contacted.' He may well have provided the original funds to buy the land years ago but he would have already have 'gifted' that to his wife or daughter. There's an affidavit that is mandatory for a foreigner to sign at the land office when these farang-funded land purchases are made. That may be neither here nor there but the OP talks about seeing copies of the POA. Isn't an original required?

 

Some people have been caught out by POA-supported transfers of vehicle ownership that ultimately were fraudulent. One instance was on this forum several years ago where the whole scam was enabled by the fact that nobody at the Land Transport Office did due diligence on a POA that had a forged signature. This was a POA that the person committing the fraud had paid a lawyer to draft; a legal document. That lawyer also didn't do due diligence on the bona fides of the scammer who was claiming ownership of car that actually belonged to her employer that she was claiming was hers so she could refinance it to get cash for her gambling habit.

 

Finally, to those arguing about their different experiences doing POA-supported dealings at land offices, this is still Thailand where no two land offices will have precisely the same rules or protocols. It's a government office, same as immigration offices and we all know that latter don't all follow the same path.

 

Good luck to the OP and I hope he does the due diligence needed.

 

the seller's lawyers has original of all documents. 

 

41 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The "seller" isnt the person with the POA, they are acting on behalf of the seller.

Thai bank cheques cannot be signed over to another person, and an AU bank cheque can only be signed over if banked in Australia.

I'm not being pedantic here, I literally just went through this 2 months ago. I bought a property off a french guy (not currenttly in Thailand), and he gave POA to a Thai person.  My lawyer, the land office and even the sellers lawyer insisted on a cheque made out to the owner.

Otherwise the owner could claim that they were never paid (and they weren't)

In the above senario, the french seller actually wanted the payment to go to the Thai POAs bank account (who would then transfer it) but it could not be done, even with both parties in agreement.

 

the seller plans to fedex the Australian check back to Australia and get it banked by his POA in Australia,

I will check with our lawyer how to proceed with the Kasikorn bank cheque.

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

NO, he cannot do that. The payment will be made out to the seller. I think you will find the land office will insist.

POA certainly doesnt grant permission to keep the sellers money, or bank it elsewhere.

as far as I am aware I was going to ....

the Australian cheque will be made out in my name and I will endorse it to the seller 

same with the Thai bank cheque

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Its no issue, properties are sold everyday using a POA. The last 2 properties I have purchased, I was dealing with a POA, and never met the owner, who lived overseas.

Its common and legal pratice. A POA exists for no other reason than for someone to act on behalf of an absent/indisposed seller.

Its probably been most sales the last couple of years with absent sellers due to covid.

 

and what the seller\POA does with the bank cheques is none of our business, gives to the land owner or not right?

3 minutes ago, Excel said:

We don't know which Land department you will be dealing with. However my advice would be to completely ignore wasting money on lawyers.   Simply go (  with a Thai speaker ) to the relevant land office and ask them directly what, if any, issues may be.  They are generally very helpful.

thank you

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

OP, you do realize that the POA gives permission for someone to act on behalf of the owner at the land office, complete the sale as if they are the owner, etc.

IT DOESNT MEAN, the person with POA gets to keep the money !!!

The money still goes to the seller, a cashiers cheque made out to the seller, or banked into the sellers account etc.

The POA can recieve the cheque and bank it into sellers account, but the money goes to the seller.

the seller in this case the Australian father is the person who paid for the land and house originally. he will be banking the funds into his accounts.

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

As long as the POA states so.  

 

That mirrors the exact selling of my first house/land here. I used POA (1st wife/divorced from) to sell house to another foreigner's wife.  Coincidentally, also did the payment, most of, USD to USD in our USA banks, with a we bit of THB at settlement.

 

All went smooth, no lawyers involved, just me & POA, wife of buyer & RE agent that I listed with, at the land office.  If land office accepts POA, then would imagine it's legal to use.

 

Ex-wife was not there or needed for anything.  That was done at Udon Thani.

thanks that is good to know.

11 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

1) Yes, properties are sold using a POA everyday.

2) No, not if everything is in order with the POA. Why would she be challenging in court if she has signed a POA to sell it ????

just looking for any possible reason that the chanote transfer would be contestable in the future. the fact that the daughter is whereabout unknown is a bit unusual but might have a good reason for this. 

we have no reason to distrust either lawyer, just wanting to check in with others with experience in this area. depending on answers we are thinking of getting another legal opinion.

 

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Sort of depends on what the PoA states!

the POA states (rough translation from google translate) that the seller (Australian Father) has the same power as the  owner (Thai national -daughter) on the said chanote with the correct address and the building that occupies the land and that any act that the father performs about the land or house would be the same as if if it had been done by herself.  

9 minutes ago, peterfranks said:

Seller is actually the Thai daughter of the Australian, but since her whereabouts are not known, I doubt there is a power of attorney signed by her.

 

So how they gonna transfer the chanote?

we have seen the signed copies of the power of attorney.

 

that is the question does the power of attorney grant the power to sell the land and transfer the chanote  from Thai national to Thai national

 

Here is the scenario

 

Using a Bricks and motor Real Estate agent is 15 years in business in the same location

 

Both seller and buyer using registered Thai lawyers

 

Buyer’s lawyer and buyer has seen copies all relevant documents, chanote, Tabian Bahn, and owner’s Thai ID, power of attorney documents, land office and treasury documents.

 

Seller is Australian

 

Buyer is Australian, partner is a Thai national (legally married in Thailand)

 

Owner on Chanote is Seller’s daughter , Thai National

 

Seller has power of attorney granted to by the daughter

 

Thai ID of land owner expires 19^th September 2022

 

Sale date is 12^th September 2022

 

buyer will purchase property using 

 

80% AUD$

20% THB

 

Seller, buyer, both lawyers and agent will be at the land office on the day of transfer of chanote, owner of land will not be there and is currently not contactable. Whereabouts unknown.

 

If anyone has any relevant experience in this area would be much appreciated if they can answer  the below questions. Would save me double guessing our lawyer. Just in case.

 

My questions are

1                  is the seller legally allowed to sell the property to us?

2                  Is it possible for the daughter to try and challenge in court the sale after the chanote has been signed over to my partner who is a Thai national?

 

Thanks in advance, and please not trolls…….only helpful advice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

approximately, what are people paying or what should they be paying for these agent services?

On 1/20/2022 at 3:41 PM, sometimewoodworker said:

I would suggest that you arrange your test plumbing setup so that adding a second heater is a simple job. I also suggest that you install one of the shutoff/flow control valves on the cold side bypass.  These are available everywhere with 1 or 2 controlled outlets and are usually used on toilet supplies.

 

 

On 1/20/2022 at 3:41 PM, sometimewoodworker said:

 

Finally got back and got to test the dual hose setup, the pressure is good enough for me to be happy with. don't need another inline heater.

 

thanks to  sometimewoodworker for your help, patience and advice. 

 

 

hi guys.

 

I am happy with the 19 litres per minute flow at the tap. I am considering splitting the flow between 2 t-pieces, I did post the below a while ago, might have missed or misundertood if it has been answered in subsequent posts, so posting it again below.

 

my latest thoughts was to take the suggestion from sometime wood worker of adding a second heater. but prior to doing this (for testing purposes and maybe be able to save the cost of s second heater)  add 2 t-pieces (in total) one at the tap end and other at the shower head end

one line direct to the shower head (8 litres per min approx. ) and the other via the heater (8 litres per min approx.) a total of 16 litres per min 

I would expect to lose 50% heat but would the direct water side not going to heater push through too much water and not let as much as the warm water from the heater thereby making the heat loss much more than 50%?

thanks for all the contributions 

 

 

just to recap 

19 liters per min at the tap

16 liters at the shower head

8 liters per min when fitted to the heater

 

my latest thoughts was to take the suggestion from sometime wood worker of adding a second heater. but prior to doing this  just add 2 t-pieces one at the tap end and other at the shower head end

one line direct (8 liters per min approx ) and the other via the heater (8 liters per min approx) a total of 16 liters per min 

I would expect to lose 50% heat but would the direct water side not going to heater push through too much water and not let as much as the warm water from the heater therebby making the heat loss much more than 50%?

thanks for all the contributions 

49 minutes ago, Artisi said:

correct, you can assume the hydraulics from input to output have been considered based on a flow in versus "X" temperature out. Lower pressure in result in lower flow and the potential for a higher temperature rise, higher pressure in gives an increased flow rate and the potential for a lower temperature rise - however the temperature control knob assists in this regards - allowing you to increase or lower input power to the unit  for temperature control - BUT there is a point where a maximum flow rate is achieved irrespective  of the pressure applied or the pump is capable of supplying.

 

Head (pressure rise) loss from the pump to and thru' the unit and shower head increases as the square of the flowrate, standard 101 hydraulic calculation. 

 

so, let us assume that your 8 litres / minute requires a pressure of 10 metres head from the pump discharge to the shower outlet to overcome the height of the shower above the pump, the friction losses thru' your pipework and the friction loss thru' the heater and the shower head -- now expecting a flow of 16 litre / minute will require ------ 

 

 (Q2/ Q1)^2 X H 

  =  (8/4)^2 x10  = 40 metres.

 

what is the capability of the pump????

                

not sure of the exact capacity ( it is a grundfos scala 2 set at 3.5 bar) but I get 19 liters per minute out of the tap with nothing connected

8 liters when connected to the heater.

 

now I am thinking that I can split the output from the tap with at t-piece  one to to the heater one straight to the hand shower and then rejoin them together with another t-piece  at the hand shower , I would likely lose 50% of the heat but it still might be warm enough without the need from the second heater and I would get the full pressure from the tap , am I on the right track

1 minute ago, flipper2222222 said:

Frankenstein here we come 555

 

 

this is how Stiebel used to install them, , Look ok for you? 

On 1/11/2022 at 8:47 PM, sometimewoodworker said:

If you can get a higher flow using the shower head you are using with the heater when connected directly to the house supply without the heater then yes.

Frankenstein here we come 555

On 1/5/2022 at 6:23 PM, sometimewoodworker said:

I either removed them or didn’t fit them.

 

It is not that the tasks are piecemeal, it is that fitting the shower heater and wiring is a known job so you will have absolutely no problem getting someone to do that for you.

 

But designing the plumbing though really simple is totally outside anyones experience so, 1) you are going to have a really tough time explaining what you want 2) you may think that you have explained it but will be amazed by the incredibly inventive ways a Thai plumber can get it completely wrong because they really really did not understand  3) if you understand my explanation it’s a trivial job to do it yourself.

 

if you do decide on the 2 heaters option I strongly recommend getting them fitted side by side as that will make your final Frankenstein plumbing job easier.

today I removed the external tap as you illustrated above and still only got 8 Liters in the test bucket. 

as you suggested the Frankenstein approach might be the only way?

 

do you think there is another internal restrictor in the heater?

2 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

I either removed them or didn’t fit them.

 

It is not that the tasks are piecemeal, it is that fitting the shower heater and wiring is a known job so you will have absolutely no problem getting someone to do that for you.

 

But designing the plumbing though really simple is totally outside anyones experience so, 1) you are going to have a really tough time explaining what you want 2) you may think that you have explained it but will be amazed by the incredibly inventive ways a Thai plumber can get it completely wrong because they really really did not understand  3) if you understand my explanation it’s a trivial job to do it yourself.

 

if you do decide on the 2 heaters option I strongly recommend getting them fitted side by side as that will make your final Frankenstein plumbing job easier.

more great advice on both topics, will try first one (yes we have one of those twirly knobs thingos thought the restrictor was in the internals of the unit, that should be easy to remove), review and then possibly the second. thanks again.  

5 hours ago, Saanim said:

Shower heater in Thailand - a problem? The usual 3,500 W should be enough for most of the days with exception of few days in winter months and in the North(/East) when the flow can be reduced to get a warmer water. 

 

And if somebody has a steel vessel filter outside exposed to sunshine - especially now when the days are very bright during daytime - the water gets hot free of charge.  

 

BTW,  in order to be more resistive to COVID and/or any similar disease (flu), one should rather get hardened by cool water. ????  

haha , yes the BTW is good advice, one day for me .... maybe

15 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

That is somewhat understandable as what they are saying is that you would have to do a considerable amount of calculation, together with pressure tests if yo wanted to have exactly the same flow through the two heaters along with the same output temperatures.

 

However all that is unnecessary since you just want more flow so if one heater is supplying more water at a lower temperature than the other does it really matter? It’s going to mix in the shower head anyway.

 

Our showers do not use the supplied restrictors to control input flow as we have them setup to be able to take hot and cold water. 

 

so it would be trivial to add a splitter to the mixer tap, then feed two heaters and add a the opposite joiner to the shower unit.

 

However you will probably have to design the plumbing yourself as I doubt that it would be easy, or possible, to explain the setup to a Thai plumber. You will get the “can not do” “Thai plumbing is different to foreign plumbing” answers.

 

Getting a second power feed setup and the shower unit installed will be easy, though of course you will be considered crazy.

 

But don’t try to get a single installer to both fit the shower and electrical supply and also plumb in the joint in feed/out feed supply. 

hopefully you can follow my answers to you questions and points this way

yes totally agree supplying different pressures or temperatures between the heater is not of great importance

did you remove the supplied restrictors yourself?

agreed, mai dai is a very common response in the country

 

agree again, they probably already think I am crazy, so let's keep reinforcing that at least I will be consistent ????

I am getting to see that tasks are looked upon in a very piecemeal kind of way here, maybe it helps keeping the unemployment rate so low ????