AlexRich

4 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

An interesting fact about trump nobody knows because the media refuses to mention it is he was the first president to support gay marriage. I bet most gay people don’t even know this. I guess they would not care even if they did because of the tee dee sss. And no, it wasn’t Obama. It was trump. Sorry. Facts don’t lie

Is that why he’s always on stage dancing away to the Village People’s YMCA?

26 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said:

Jonathan Willis, the officer in the famous photo of the two snipers on the roof at Trump's rally, has informed the public that he had the assassin in his sights for at least 3 minutes, but the head of the Secret Service refused to give the order to take out the perpetrator. They prevented him from stopping the assassin before he took shots at President Trump and killed a spectator and wounded 2 others

https://x.com/i/web/status/1812594071581409369

This was in X now. 

Gee, I wonder why that happened? 
 

As information on this event starts to leak I suspect we will have many more questions about strange coincidences and inconsistencies. Where Trump is concerned, you can’t take anything at face value.

11 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

You could probably add Dutch to that list.

 

There's not much between the two teams. England have a better team on paper, but Spain are in form. Could go either way. 

The form team won. England had a good spell after the substitutions but Spain were the best team over the course of the game. A lot of twitter comments berating Southgate ... but to be fair two finals is better than his predecessors, with the exception of Ramsey. 

3 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

  To begin with, I am not a Trump fan and am not influenced by him.  You sound like the brainwashed one with your crazy suppositions.

Seems I'm not alone ... it's all part of the budding dictator's playbook. Let's see what comes out in the wash over the next few weeks. 

From The Daily Beast

A top Democratic strategist to LinkedIn co-founder and Democratic tycoon Reid Hoffman floated the possibility the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump may have been a false-flag operation, according to an email to journalists obtained by Semafor.

Dmitri Mehlhorn said in the Saturday evening email that one possibility for the attack—“which feels horrific and alien and absurd in America, but is quite common globally”—is that it was both encouraged and potentially staged by Trump to secure a political advantage.

“This is a classic Russian tactic, such as when Putin killed 300 civilians in 1999 and blamed it on terrorists to ride the backlash to winning power,” Mehlhorn wrote, according to Semafor. “Others who have embraced this tactic of committing raw evil and then benefitting from the backlash include Hamas on October 7. If any Trump officials encouraged or knew of this attack, that is morally horrific, and Republicans of decency must demand that Trump step down as unfit.”

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

If you look back you can see Trump's security first push him to the podium floor and then, after more security declared it was clear, he was lifted up, bundled down the stairs and across into the van. His head was exposed only briefly when he wanted to signal to the crowd that he was OK. He should have not tried to do that but that is Trump, and his security team found out, for a second or two, how much strength he still has.

 

Nonsense back..

Yeah, the Pilsbury Dough Boy out-muscled his security detail ... 

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

pretty sure the shooter was headless by then, the mic still on, Trumpo asking for his shoes before leaving... SS still there covering him...go trump.... 2024 for sure!!

Are they trained to presume there is no second shooter?

17 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

You are trying to smother us with made up nonsense and you are obviously not a professional security expert.

 

Trump's SS team was limited - seemingly to close protection only - it is much smaller than for a sitting president and therefore far less capable than what is deployed for Biden. In this case they used the available cover of the podium until the sniper's position was known, then moved Trump once they had word that the shooter was neutralized. They had to work with local police via radio and it looks like the police killed the assassin.  

 

 

Don’t talk nonsense, and stop ignoring the valid point being made. After the SS realised there was an attempt on his life they would never let his face and chest be exposed the way it was. He would be covered completely with bodies and bundled into a van … not staged for a photo opportunity. There were many people around him, more than enough to hide him from view.

23 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Oh so Trump was desperate prior to this debate?  I think he was on a roll and the election was his to lose for better or worse.  Just admit this theory of yours is stupid and move on. Cheers

No, but he would be in a more serious election battle should Biden step down. And as support drains away from Biden that was increasingly likely. A decrepit Biden hands the WH to Trump. A new candidate is far more dangerous. 

3 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Who is this replacement?  So your theory is I think; an unknown super candidate is waiting in the shadows and somehow Trump knew this and had someone fire a shot and then he used a razor blade to cut his ear.  Sound logical...

They simply thought Biden was the settled candidate. But in recent days even his closest allies are abandoning him. A new younger candidate requires a new attack strategy … and that might not work. This could never happen in the US? I beg to differ.

18 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Pathetic. Why would he need to be a pro?   

You are pathetic. As ever you deliberately misinterpret what is being said. 
 

if you are on the security detail you don’t know who the shooter is at that moment (professional or novice) nor do you know if he is a lone wolf, or part of a team. So once he misses he or they don’t  get a second chance at a shot. You smother Trump throw him in the car and leave. 

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    The assassin wasn't a professional sniper and Trump moved his head immediately before the bullet hit him and the security kept Trump covered and waited until it was safe to move 

My point exactly … not a professional … that explains why he failed. Who put him up to it? And how could he get into that position at all? 
 

As for Trump being covered. Only initially, but no competent professionals would allow him to stand up and fist pump … he’d be covered and bundled into a vehicle. Not buying the narrative being pumped out in the media.

3 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

or secret service is compromised. how did a shooter set up on a building with clear sight a few hundred feet away and manage to get off that many shots. 

 

 

Then why use a 20 year old? If you were serious about killing Trump you’d use a professional. But it works the opposite way … an inexperienced patsy easily explains away why the attempt failed. Trump comes out of it looking like a martyr. 
 

Oswald publicly stated he was a patsy, but never lived long enough to explain what he meant by that. Dead men tell no tales.

20 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Suggesting that it was Trump who arranged to get himself shot is indeed a conspiracy theory and extremely likely to be untrue 

I'm questioning whether he even got shot at all? Mike Flynn specialised in Psy Ops, and he’s on the team. It’s not beyond these criminals to engineer a stunt like this. 
 

Biden is close to stepping down. A new younger, mentally sharper and vibrant candidate was not in the Trump plans. If the game gets harder he’ll milk this incident for all it is worth. 

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   This site doesn't really appreciate conspiracy theories , maybe you could air your views over on TT ?

The problem with conspiracy theories is that quite a few of them turn out to have some truth to them. But the term “conspiracy theorist” is regularly used to dismiss anyone who would suggest that the dominant narrative about an event is questionable and requires further investigation. Gulf of Tonkin, being one of many examples. 
 

I’m perfectly fine with you not appreciating any opinion expressed by me. 

Just now, BangkokReady said:

 

Unless the sniper had already been neutralised.

My point - they don’t know if it’s a lone assassin at this stage. They couldn’t possibly know if there was a second guy in the crowd with a gun, or on another nearby rooftop. 
 

How a 20 year old with an A15 got on top of a roof close to where Trump was speaking and gets off a range of shots despite people in the crowd pointing out his whereabouts is a question that requires answering? Not buying it.

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Trump was smothered by about six security forces bodies and he wasn't propped up for a photo shoot and he was rushed off stage to somewhere else as soon as it was safe to do so 

A professional sniper would have taken his head off the way he was handled and exposed after the “shooting” … and as I don’t believe his security detail are that incompetent, I’m afraid I’m not buying this event as anything other than a stunt for votes.

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Are you suggesting that Trump arranged for himself to shot ?

At this stage we don't even know if he was shot? The way his Secret Service detail behaved was bizarre ... he would have been smothered in bodies and thrown in the vehicle ... not propped up for photo opportunities. What if there was a second "shooter" in a different location? I'd also like to see a close up of his injury, as a bullet, even a grazed one, would leave some permanent damage. 

So no, I'm not buying this until I see some hard evidence. 

1 hour ago, connda said:

This is how main-stream news frames the assassination attempt on President Trump:

CNN : "Trump Injured In Incident at Pennsylvania Rally."  

MSNBC: "Trump Rushed Offstage at Pennsylvania Rally by Secret Service After Loud Popping Noises Heard."

The New York Times: "Trump Rushed Offstage After Chaos at Rally."

It's amazing how the media's hatred of President Trump factors into their reporting bias. 
"Incident." "Loud Popping Noises."  No big deal - move along.  Nothing to see here.  Probably a micro-meteor. 

Right! 

We need to see the evidence. Any group capable of insurrection can stage manage an event, and they couldn't care less about casualties. 

Biden is on the verge of stepping down, and Trump would be up against a more vibrant and energetic opponent ... that's not what they were banking on. Desperate times require desperate measures. 

8 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Not surprising as Thais love the Premier League.  I would think most people except Spaniards and Scots are backing England. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

You could probably add Dutch to that list.

There's not much between the two teams. England have a better team on paper, but Spain are in form. Could go either way. 

6 minutes ago, bob smith said:

....are you for real?

 

bob.

Do you believe in Oswald and the magic bullet theory Bob? There’s an American guy on the BBC who’s telling the world he was pointing out the shooter on the roof to the Police … and they don’t act until after the shooting? Why? 

5 minutes ago, TedG said:

You need to be deprogrammed. 

We all need to ask questions about what actually happened today … and not automatically believe what we are being spoon fed. The whole event looks staged … the only beneficiary is Trump. 
 

Looking forward to reading through the details in the coming weeks. 

Reports on Twitter that the “shooter” was seen on a roof with a rifle and a bystander warned the authorities … minutes before the shooting?

Just now, 2baht said:

Ahhhhh! But who was on the grassy knoll???

According to Trump, Ted Cruz’s dad.