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Never said they did. Same thing happened in 2019. Conservatives got more votes than the Liberals, but fewer seats in Parliament.

Not defending him- see above post. One thing I do object to is the use of the anti-semitic slur "the big lie". It was coined by Hitler and needs to die along with him. There was no "malevolence towards democracy" in 2016. Trump merely won the election, which so gutted the Democrats that to this day they are still offended. Hillary Clinton, who was touted as the most qualified Presidential candidate in history, was beaten by a reality star and real estate mogul. The burning shame of it stays with Democrats even now and clouds many of their decisions.

And again you are doing the "but Trump..." comparison. There is no need to. I already said that he was wrong and stupid to not accept defeat in 2020. I am merely saying that the Democrats were far less than gracious and accepting of their defeat in 2016.

Not me. Polk was an incompetent as a general, not sure why he deserved this honour.

Actually, a lot of countries have a parliamentary system which is NOT a popular vote- UK, Canada, etc. In the last election in Canada for example, the Conservative Party got the most votes, but the Liberal Party won the most seats in Parliament and formed the government. Just the way it works.

Never said there was, and never said he did. But to imply that the Democrats "graciously" (to quote another member) accepted Trump's victory is also false. They were beyond p1ssed off and it showed. The whole Russia collusion hoax just made it worse. And yes, what happened on January 6 was worse. Never said otherwise.

Again, two things can both be right. Here is John Lewis saying he cannot work with Trump because he thinks Trump is not a legitimate President; https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/john-lewis-trump-won-t-be-legitimate-president-n706676 Hillary Clinton saying Trump stole the election, and calling Trump an "illegitimate President" in 2019 on CNN; https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/09/30/hillary-clinton-calls-trump-illegitimate-president-sot-ip-vpx.cnn I would call Trump's behavior after losing in 2020 also petulant and unnecessary. Unsurprising but unnecessary.

Winning the popular vote is the equivalent of capturing more pawns in a chess game, but losing the game. Interesting but completely irrelevant. Hillary was calling Trump an "illegitimate President" until 2019. John Lewis, the same. Tim Kaine said, "What we've got to do is fight in Congress, fight in the courts, fight in the streets, fight online, fight at the ballot box, and now there's the momentum to be able to do this". Nancy Pelosi said; "Our election was hijacked. There is no question" https://house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills211/hlrbillspdf/2047H.01I.pdf

I agree. The petulant Democrats and their supporters who refused to acknowledge Trump's election WERE acting Unamerican.

It IS possible for two things to be true at the same time. It is true that, if the charges against Trump are proven, he should be punished and possibly jailed. Doesn't matter what happened or didn't happen to anyone else. It is also true that other politicians who are accused of similar crimes should also face similar investigations and possible consequences.

Calling him "illegitimate" and refusing to attend his inauguration is hardly criticism. It is petulance at best, and refusal to accept the election result at worst.

Fair enough. Seeing is believing.

Like that never happens around here.... besides, Biden is ridiculously easy to tar. Almost feel guilty doing it. Almost.

I haven't "GOT" anything. Not claiming to either. Just speculation. As I said, let's wait until the evidence comes, if there is any.

Good for him. But while he was VP he may have been thinking about his future as a retired politician. A quick five mil from some eastern European oligarch may have been tempting. Still, all speculation until the evidence comes. If it comes...

Three possible reasons; 1. They don't want to be publicly identified as nazi idiots. 2. They don't want to be identified as partisan political hacks pretending to be nazi idiots. 3. It was unseasonably cold in Orlando.

The problem with having a VP like Biden was that he was looking to feather his nest before retirement. This might have been the way, but let's wait and see.

Is it possible to minimize a group that has a grand total of 7 people? They seem pretty minimal already.

I would agree with the second part for sure- Trump is the king of the unforced error. The first? Nah.

See the Politifact piece I linked earler. It was in the middle of a long press scrum- something we have not seen from the current occupant of the White House.

Exactly. He was separating the people who did not want a statue removed from the neo nazis. From Politifact (hardly a Trump supporting website) " we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America." Regarding the killing of a female protestor by an idiot in a car: "Well, I think the driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family, and this country" And finally "And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. " https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Dont forget the second part of the quote, the part that says, "and I'm not talking about the neo nazis and white supremacists, they should be condemned totally". It seems like a lot of people want to forget it though, for some reason...

Politicians only fundamental personal value is to get re-elected. Anything else is negotiable. Biden is the embodiment of this spirit.

Nope. Never happened. DeSantis also recently signed a law banning distributing hateful flyers and material on private property, and also projecting images onto property like the one shown above. Some fascist....

There is nothing anti-gay in any of the laws in Florida. They are almost exclusively designed to protect children and to safeguard parental rights. California may seem to be "open and welcoming", but it is bleeding population every year. Net decline of more than 800,000 people in two years according to; https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/02/california-population-exodus-housing/ Florida? The fastest growing state with 700,000 new arrivals in the same time span. https://www.voanews.com/a/7002666.html#:~:text=Florida is the fastest-growing,beaches%2C now tops 22 million. So you tell me which is actually the most "welcoming". As for the pseudo-nazi protesters, they are nothing. Ignore them and they will go away. Pay attention and they win.