Hanaguma

When the Constitution was written, ALL guns were manual and primitive. That was the point- citizens were allowed to keep and bear arms that were on a par with the government. Same holds true today. And actually, violence is not out of control. In 1990, there were 9 violent crimes per 100,000 population. Today, about 6. There has been an uptick during Covid, probably a result of people being turfed out of jobs and generally feeling hopeless. What IS happening is that there are a large number of "publicity worthy" crimes that get headlines. Mass shootings, racially motivated crime, etc. All are terrible but don't move the statistical needle.

Great! Then we can agree that abortions up to 12 weeks should be legal, and after that not. Barring the usual exceptions, am I right?

Not to be rude, but are you serious? Personal opinions are at the heart of any discussion of serious issues. People who hide their views do so only because they have something to hide. Is it also off topic to ask people to present a specific proposal instead of just negative political bumper stickers? Because that is what I would like to hear- solutions from others.

You need to incentivize the lazy to get off their collective bums and get productive. Cut unemployment benefits and welfare for healthy singles, for example. Pay subsidies to farms that employ legal residents with the savings. Allow people to work and keep part of their benefits. I think the people who want illegal immigation stopped DO want to improve the system. But they want the border to be secured first. No point in changing laws for guest workers if illegals are still pouring over at the rate of over 100,000 people per month. Fix the border, then fix the outdated immigration laws.

Check the labor participation rate. There are plenty of people of productive age who are not working. OR, start a better visa/guest worker program. Process people in their home countries, vet them, and hook them up with reputable employers. No need for millions to rush the border.

Why not? Seems only fair to punish both the employer and the employee who knowingly work illegally. You cannot do one without the other. If the workers are in the US illegally, they need to go. THEN you can use that evidence to prosecute the employer. Can't do it the other way around.

Even if you are right (which you are not), that should lead you to agree with abortion being decided by the states individually. Leftie strongholds like California and New York can set laws to allow abortion up to 6 months after the birth of the baby, right wing bastions like Utah can force everyone to wear magic underpants. That is the beauty of the federal system. So, where do YOU stand on the issue yourself? Any limits that would be acceptable>

I agree completely that those who hire illegals should pay. But reality is that only about 1.3 million illegal immigrants actually work on farms. The rest are in the service industries like hospitality, construction, and so on. Shouldnt be too hard to replace the farm workers, with a combination of higher wages and immigration enforcement. As forthe others, too many businesses have been getting away with turning a blind eye for too long. Americans used to make their own beds and flip their own burgers, they can do it again with the right incentives.

Yes, unemployment is low because people have stopped looking for work. The key number is actually the workforce participation rate. It still is below pre-covid levels and shows little sign of rising. Ten years ago it was 65%, now only 62%. This is a measure of how many people are actually being productive. Businesses can hire, if they pay enough. I think most people would be willing to pay an extra dime for a head of lettuce if they could be sure it was picked by a legal American resident or citizen.

Reallly? She is the best insurance policy that Joe has ever bought. She provides a protective level similar to that of Dan Quayle to Bush the Senior. If you have any signs of her competence since being elected as VP, I would love to see them. As for the Pres, it seems like he has a mild case and hope he makes a speedy recovery.

I guess then that California would be happy if Texas and Arizona were to bus their thousands of illegals to Cali instead of to New York or Washington DC then? Because the mayors of those cities are complaing about the cost, crowding, etc.

He probably refuses because people like you will nitpick every syllable to death. He said she wouldn't have had to leave the state. It isn't even clear if the mother even took her daughter to a doctor in Ohio before heading across the border to Indiana. Hopefully she did, but given what we know she isn't in the running for any "mother of the year" awards.

I have no problem with that. It would have been a great accompaniment to, I don't know, BUILDING A BORDER WALL perhaps? Using the National Guard to guard the nation? Step up deportations?

That is such a tired and racist shibboleth, please stop using it. There are NO jobs that Americans refuse to do. There ARE jobs that Americans refuse to do because the pay is too low, and is driven to low levels by competition from illegal immigrants. That is one of the biggest problems about illegal immigration- it hurts BIPOC Americans and those in the lower economic deciles the most. Without the presence of illegals, the free market could determine the correct wages for all jobs.

In the entire article, I think there is only one actual quote from the AG. It is as I posted previosly- he said; “Ohio’s heartbeat law has a medical emergency exception,” Yost told Watters. “It’s broader than just the life of the mother. This young girl — if she exists and if this horrible thing actually happened to her, it breaks my heart to think about it — she did not have to leave Ohio to find treatment." The rest is all innuendo and speculation. BTW, where do YOU stand on the issue? Not Ohio, but abortion in general. I have made my position clear. Can you do the same? Others seem reluctant to do so for some reason...

From his first interview about the case.

Sadly, even more sordid details about the case are coming out. The suspect was in fact the boyfriend of the victim's mother. Seems that both are in the US illegally, which may explain the reluctance on the mother's part to report the crime. The crime took place on May 12 but wasn't reported to police until June 22, and charges laid on July 6. The mother waited until it was certain her daughter was pregnant before reporting it. This makes me think that, if the girl hadn't become pregnant, the mother would have done nothing. It is common that live-in boyfriends assault the children of the women they are shacking up with. And the women put up with it for various reasons. She was already pregnant with the alleged rapist's baby at the time. If that is the case here, and it seems to be, we can only hope that ALL the children have been removed from the home. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/miacathell/2022/07/21/gerson-fuentes-lourdes-gomez-n2610457

Actually he has said that from the beginning.

Why not? What are you afraid of? It is illuminating to see where people are coming from when discussing such an important issue. The fact that you are so coy about it speaks volumes about how you see the issue.

Trudging through several safe and prosperous lands before setting out to the UK certainly puts paid to the idea of displaced asylum seekers fleeing disaster. The fleeing ended long before. What is taking place is economic and not social. Hence laws like the Dublin Regulation that seek to honor the spirit of asylum, which has been crapped on by thousands.

The AG doubted the story, as did many people. So did I. Tragically, it was true and horrific. Then he gave his position as I stated above. From what I understand in Ohio, doctors make their own decisions without oversight in these cases. I notice that you didnt answer my simple question- where do YOU think the law should stand? Knowing that makes it easier for everyone to understand where we are coming from.

No. But a guy with 5 houses, 2 yachts and a private jet getting all worked up over OTHER peoples' carbon footprints?

The constant conflating of immigrants (who enter a country legally and at that country's invitation) and illegal aliens (who are criminals) makes it hard to discuss this issue properly. Nobody is against controlled immigration. People ARE against uncontrolled, unvetted, and uninvited people crashing the border. Typical California- provide services for non-citizens that legal residents have to pay for.

Me and my "ilk"? What does that mean precisely? If you bothered to read my previous comments, you would have been better informed. I wrote that I was glad the girl got her abortion done, and quickly. You are letting your emotions and prejudices cloud your reason. I don't know of any place where a doctor performing an abortion would be subject to the death penalty. The Ohio AG is the number one law enforcement guy in the state. He said, “Ohio’s heartbeat law has a medical emergency exception, broader than just the life of the mother,” he said. “She did not have to leave Ohio for treatment.” https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-ohio/ohio-attorney-general-said-10-year-old-rape-victim-could-have-had-abortion-in-ohio-but-state-law-isnt-clear Cards on the table time. I think abortions should be legal until the 15th week of pregnancy. Or when the mother's health is in danger. Or in cases of rape. Or in cases of severe birth defect. After 15 weeks? No, unless one of those conditions is present. Your turn.

Unfortunately, there aren't any gun laws that I know of that would have prevented this nutjob from doing the crime. That is the funny thing about criminals- they don't follow the laws that well intentioned people put in place.