WishWashMan

Tomboys make the roughest ladyboys look like angels.

I have met many girls who at sometime got involved with one.

I could tell you countless stories of threatened violence, against the girls, their families (including the girl's children), when they tried to end the relationships.

If I am in company, and a tomboy joins, I will move away.

Call it generalisation if you want, but I have NEVER heard a good story about them.

Are the boys-a-tom the ones wo boobies? i have truuble identifying them.

Whats the age of the Tomboy. it really does matter...............hahahaha

I think they can do bad things with just your acc number and name.

Op got to take some kind of farming lessons and forget about the 7-11.

Need a bad bargirl HOTLINE. Now this would really save lives.

Ive been pondering this thread for a fe w hours....................hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Just this morning I was contacted regarding a sum of 20 million as a beneficiary left in a Nigerian bank and would I send all my bank details, which I have done , however I am still waiting for the money a Mr Warren Buffett of NY was going to send me and a guy named Page from the Pentagon had a deal I couldn't refuse, one of the things I did notice wasn't the amount of money I was to receive, it was the terrible spelling, so In gratitude I downloaded a dictionary from Amazon with my bank details to all six thousand over the last decade........................................

warrens home is in omaha.

Can anyone really have any sympathy for her ?

do thai womans really go for that nigerian nose?

Maybe I'm just lazy. No way would I consider trying to make a living farming. My wife has a few chickens, maybe 40 or so and farms 60 rai. If we had to live off her income, we would be in poverty. As far as animals, I would never be tied to a low income job 24/7. Animals need to be looked after every day and sometime nights also. An animal disease could put you out of business quickly. Not worth taking a chance for me. I like my freedom too much.

My wife considers her farm land as her future security. i won't be around forever. Making mortgage payments takes nearly everything she makes. When her land is paid for she will be able to get along fine without me. That is her plan. She also works part time for the electric company to make ends meet. She also has MANY fruit trees and is continually planting more. She doesn't make any money from those trees either. Farming in Thailand is not the way to get rich.

you are such a downer................hahaha.

ive never farmed in los or anywhere yet it isnt rocket science to com to your conclusions. are farang farmers out of touch of whats achievable in issan farming..

the numbers just dont pencil out!

I will agree that there are a lot of ways to lose money farming, but it is certainly not impossible to make money. There has been a lot of good advice and some not so good. I have lost more than my share of money farming in Thailand and know why it happened. I think you have a very interesting project. I have done everything over the last 20 years here on your list except grapes, lychee, rambutan, mangosteen, mulberry, roselle, pigs, and earth worms, but have done prawns, frogs, quail and a few other crops and fruits (and have forgot some). With enough work almost everything you are doing can be profitable. Here are some thoughts I have in no particular order and forgive me if you are doing them already:

1. Consider adding a small rice mill. Around here the operator gets the rice polishings and the rice hulls. This gives you a supplemental income in the form of the rice polishings that can be sold or feed to your animals. And the rice hulls could be composted to return organic materials to your soil.
2. I will predict that you will have problems with grapes, durian.
3. I would reduce or eliminate Mangosteen, rambutan, lychee, ma fie, but not til you see if they are good producers. See my next point.
4. Learn how to air layer and graft and make your own trees to sell. Double grafting is even better and more profitable. Thing about every tree you bought. Your work, only a little space and a good return. Seed papaya, and seed other shrubs and clone bamboo and bananas.
5. Add a Thai Grapefruit tree to clone from.
6. Add manila tamarind. They will do especially well around your ponds. Fish love fruit that falls and so do chickens and ducks that free range. You have to make sure you get a good strain so look at the fruit on the parent stock
7. Add1-2 Kaffir lime or more.
8. Basil will grow right up alongside a building. Grow extra to feed your livestock. Look at other herbs.
9. Add Putsa Apple.
10. Add as many water collection jars as is practical to every building.
11. Consider some concrete rings to raise catfish but I would stick with Big Oui (I have never had pla duck Russia grow well). There is also a strain of climbing perch that is promising and I am trying to get a small sample to try out. I would also consider one crop of pla duk a year in the smaller pond nearer you house. Drain it to fill the other
12. I would look for the best strain of tilapia you can find and raise them in nets. Throw some Pla Sawai in the ponds if you like to eat them, but not too many. I love hamook.
13. Geese are hard to make money on, but a couple out on your ponds will let you know if you have visitors. If you are well respected in the village, you will have less loss. A mean dog won’t hurt either.
14. Consider getting a small plot and opening a market. Put in a covered structure and run power and build some stalls. Let everyone use it for free for a while and use it yourself. It can be as simple or fancy as you think will work.
15. I would probably opt to pass on Yasohotin. It will cost you about 100 baht per trip and rental on a stall. You are better off building a quality operation and selling as much as you can in the local market which will get more locals to know about your farm and lead to walk in customers. A consistent presence will be rewarded.
16. Look at making your own poultry feed. Consider dropping chickens except for your own use. I am working on a layer/ gai ban cross that is a good layer of small to medium eggs, and meats out more like a gai ban. Put the hens with gai ban roosters and you can make money selling for meat. I would go with Pekin ducks and may be start with a few on your ponds. If you must have laying chickens buy good POL pullets, then cage/coop raise them. Free ranging or just letting them wander around a yard is a money loser.
17. Consider quail. I can give you a lot of info on this. Per square meter you will make more than chicken or ducks.
18. Consider crickets. It was a fad years ago and I thought it died out, but two local feed stores in Petchabun are selling cricket feed bulk. I haven’t done it, but it would be something to look at.
19. The Santol makes a good border for a field or road. Consider drip tape.
20. Put Papaya around your young fruit trees to shade them some while they are young. Some folks use bananas
21. Prik Keenu will grow well in the shade of bananas and papayas.
22. Forget crops for farang like zucchini, strawberries, bell peppers, head lettuce ect…. At least in the beginning .
23. Learn about drip tape (not the same as the hose type irrigation) and plastic mulch. It is used on melons and other crops. You will use a lot less water.
24. You tube and Facebook can be your friend. You are a lot more likely to find people doing exactly the same crop(s) as you and over time will help you advertise.
25. Going organic can be the right thing to do, but most of your local buyers will not pay a premium. Initially it is important to compete on a fair footing.
26. We have 2 rose apple trees and the wife planted a bunch of chillis around one and it had considerably few pests. I hear that chrysanthemums do the same.
27. A light over your pond may help a few pest to become fish food and may discourage visitors.
28. Keeping records will be a valuable exercise over time. Note weekly market prices for crops you are thinking about and when the high prices tend to occur….New Years, Songkran, Chinese New Years, when schools are open or closed. Obviously high prices can mean it is the wrong time a year or it could mean too much water is needed. Once you are running keep detailed costs and income records. When possible track a particular crop just to see what is happening.

I have forgotten at least this much and will let you know if anything comes to me.

Just to be clear, I am not recommending you do all or any particular activities, you will have to set your goals andlimits. I think you are someone who likes to learn and this will be a fun process. Something that works in one place may not work for you and vice versa. You do not need to explain yourself to naysayers. It is easy to say something can’t happen and impossible to prove it. Search for people that have similar experience that are willing to share and have fun.

Chok Dee

Pardon me but nowhere in this post does it say I Made a Killing Farming in thailand.

Never take advice from a fat man on how to lose weight.

Nowhere in this thread does it say anything about making a killing farming. I have never claimed to make a killing in faming, but here is what I will claim:

I have farmed longer than you in Thailand.

I have more land than you.

I have lost more money farming different crops and livestock than you (meaning I know a lot more than you about what doesn't work and why)

I have made more money than you farming.

Never listen to a man who doesn't farm about farming

How is op going to open a 7-11 wo making a killing in farming?

Lets work backwards. How much does it cost to open a 7-11 in the boonies. OP can then figure how much eggs he needs to sell or how many papayas he needs to grow.

I think a lot of people have 5-10 rai of land. They just aint making money off of it.

This has got to be a ruse thread. Now we find op doesnt want to work the HOT hours of the day. Yet want to purchase a 7-11 with farming profits.........................hahahaha.

I was fooled into thinking this guy was serious.................hahahahahaha.

i am in a similar situation. have bought 2 units in a development that is supposed to be finished in october. biggest mistake of my life. i am trying to sell them well below what i paid for them off plan without any success. i have one friend who managed to get all his money back after buying in nam tallay as they were finished late. suggest going to see a lawyer. PM me if you want my lawyers details if you are in pattaya.

I LOVE RE as an investment...............but not in Thailand..................hahahaha.

ESP not Pattaya. Do you know what the biggest industry in Pattaya is? Do you realize the type of people Pattaya attracts.

Let's see: 1 Rai of land to supplement income (Beer Money). After deducting cost, the revenue generated will not be sufficient to turn him into an alcoholic.

Cheers.

Seems everyone tom dick n harry who has land in issan think they can make money off it. Dont they see poor neighbors all around them, prolly most w larger plots.

Do the same thing everyone else is doing and expecting a different result than them in sheer lunacy!

Here is one Member who live from his 5-10 Rai Farm?

In my position i would like to have every month about 20000 Bath and i will be happy.

And this is now the question how.

Every Worker or part from the Family will cut off some of my Profit or my income should rise.

And now i asking who like to work at 40 degree and more in the sun and plant some vegetable? Or cut the grass for the cow? Or do some weeding.

In america they are called MOOCHERS!

I will agree that there are a lot of ways to lose money farming, but it is certainly not impossible to make money. There has been a lot of good advice and some not so good. I have lost more than my share of money farming in Thailand and know why it happened. I think you have a very interesting project. I have done everything over the last 20 years here on your list except grapes, lychee, rambutan, mangosteen, mulberry, roselle, pigs, and earth worms, but have done prawns, frogs, quail and a few other crops and fruits (and have forgot some). With enough work almost everything you are doing can be profitable. Here are some thoughts I have in no particular order and forgive me if you are doing them already:

1. Consider adding a small rice mill. Around here the operator gets the rice polishings and the rice hulls. This gives you a supplemental income in the form of the rice polishings that can be sold or feed to your animals. And the rice hulls could be composted to return organic materials to your soil.
2. I will predict that you will have problems with grapes, durian.
3. I would reduce or eliminate Mangosteen, rambutan, lychee, ma fie, but not til you see if they are good producers. See my next point.
4. Learn how to air layer and graft and make your own trees to sell. Double grafting is even better and more profitable. Thing about every tree you bought. Your work, only a little space and a good return. Seed papaya, and seed other shrubs and clone bamboo and bananas.
5. Add a Thai Grapefruit tree to clone from.
6. Add manila tamarind. They will do especially well around your ponds. Fish love fruit that falls and so do chickens and ducks that free range. You have to make sure you get a good strain so look at the fruit on the parent stock
7. Add1-2 Kaffir lime or more.
8. Basil will grow right up alongside a building. Grow extra to feed your livestock. Look at other herbs.
9. Add Putsa Apple.
10. Add as many water collection jars as is practical to every building.
11. Consider some concrete rings to raise catfish but I would stick with Big Oui (I have never had pla duck Russia grow well). There is also a strain of climbing perch that is promising and I am trying to get a small sample to try out. I would also consider one crop of pla duk a year in the smaller pond nearer you house. Drain it to fill the other
12. I would look for the best strain of tilapia you can find and raise them in nets. Throw some Pla Sawai in the ponds if you like to eat them, but not too many. I love hamook.
13. Geese are hard to make money on, but a couple out on your ponds will let you know if you have visitors. If you are well respected in the village, you will have less loss. A mean dog won’t hurt either.
14. Consider getting a small plot and opening a market. Put in a covered structure and run power and build some stalls. Let everyone use it for free for a while and use it yourself. It can be as simple or fancy as you think will work.
15. I would probably opt to pass on Yasohotin. It will cost you about 100 baht per trip and rental on a stall. You are better off building a quality operation and selling as much as you can in the local market which will get more locals to know about your farm and lead to walk in customers. A consistent presence will be rewarded.
16. Look at making your own poultry feed. Consider dropping chickens except for your own use. I am working on a layer/ gai ban cross that is a good layer of small to medium eggs, and meats out more like a gai ban. Put the hens with gai ban roosters and you can make money selling for meat. I would go with Pekin ducks and may be start with a few on your ponds. If you must have laying chickens buy good POL pullets, then cage/coop raise them. Free ranging or just letting them wander around a yard is a money loser.
17. Consider quail. I can give you a lot of info on this. Per square meter you will make more than chicken or ducks.
18. Consider crickets. It was a fad years ago and I thought it died out, but two local feed stores in Petchabun are selling cricket feed bulk. I haven’t done it, but it would be something to look at.
19. The Santol makes a good border for a field or road. Consider drip tape.
20. Put Papaya around your young fruit trees to shade them some while they are young. Some folks use bananas
21. Prik Keenu will grow well in the shade of bananas and papayas.
22. Forget crops for farang like zucchini, strawberries, bell peppers, head lettuce ect…. At least in the beginning .
23. Learn about drip tape (not the same as the hose type irrigation) and plastic mulch. It is used on melons and other crops. You will use a lot less water.
24. You tube and Facebook can be your friend. You are a lot more likely to find people doing exactly the same crop(s) as you and over time will help you advertise.
25. Going organic can be the right thing to do, but most of your local buyers will not pay a premium. Initially it is important to compete on a fair footing.
26. We have 2 rose apple trees and the wife planted a bunch of chillis around one and it had considerably few pests. I hear that chrysanthemums do the same.
27. A light over your pond may help a few pest to become fish food and may discourage visitors.
28. Keeping records will be a valuable exercise over time. Note weekly market prices for crops you are thinking about and when the high prices tend to occur….New Years, Songkran, Chinese New Years, when schools are open or closed. Obviously high prices can mean it is the wrong time a year or it could mean too much water is needed. Once you are running keep detailed costs and income records. When possible track a particular crop just to see what is happening.

I have forgotten at least this much and will let you know if anything comes to me.

Just to be clear, I am not recommending you do all or any particular activities, you will have to set your goals andlimits. I think you are someone who likes to learn and this will be a fun process. Something that works in one place may not work for you and vice versa. You do not need to explain yourself to naysayers. It is easy to say something can’t happen and impossible to prove it. Search for people that have similar experience that are willing to share and have fun.

Chok Dee

Pardon me but nowhere in this post does it say I Made a Killing Farming in thailand.

Never take advice from a fat man on how to lose weight.

You have a lot of interesting things here, Mr. Kie, and I'm following along. It's a bit difficult to comment because you have so many different business ideas... Not just farming. The 7-11 idea is particularly interesting to me. But I am not sure... Is this 7-11 something that will be located on your land, or on other land somewhere nearby? How many people live in the area you're planning for the 7-11? Will it be in the countryside somewhere, or perhaps along highway 202 or 23? These things seems somewhat important to me from the standpoint that 7-11 / CP may not want to have a 7-11 in the location you're thinking of. If there are not enough people in the area, they may decline (I've seen them do so before). On the other hand, if there are enough people in the area, or if it's a particularly good location, someone may open a 7-11 before you do. So it seems to me that if you're serious, and if you have a good location, you might want to pursue this matter first. (Another option might be a Tesco Lotus Express. Lots of these where I live; not so many over by Yasothon.)

Another income stream you mention is "renting the room." This can take many forms. Someone might rent a room in their home to others, for example. Or rooms might be rented by the month to local workers. In that case, you might have a dormitory... Many rooms. Or "renting a room" could mean a hotel of some kind. A guesthouse kind of thing. Renting one room, long term, would probably only bring in about 1,000-2,000 Baht per month. Renting ten of those in a dormitory building would bring in ten times more, of course. Provided you have people who want to rent them. If not, then you must lower your rate, or have empty rooms, or both. I cannot say for sure, but I do not believe a hotel or guesthouse in Yasothon would meet with much success. Rates at The JP Emerald Hotel are quite low, and there are 2-3 other hotels with even lower rates. I actually believe that I was the only person staying at the JP Emerald when I stayed there. They did have 20-30 people come into the restaurant that evening for a party of some kind, so they drank a bit, ate a bit, and sang karaoke. But then they all left fairly early, and the only people I saw after that was staff. Too, no one at the Yasothon Police Station spoke English, or if they did, I couldn't find them. So I'm guessing you don't get too many foreigners looking for places to stay over that way.

I'm also recalling now a lovely hotel/guesthouse kind of place about 100KM north of Chiang Mai on the way to Chiang Rai. There was a restaurant, coffee shop, perhaps 20 rooms, all extremely well decorated (it cost a lot to do what they did), and there were workers (family?) everywhere all of the time. The only problem was that it was in the middle of nowhere, and once again, I was the only person staying there. I do not see any way they could ever make a profit from all their effort, but there they were. I think perhaps that because they had spent so much time and money building the place, they were trapped there, unable to leave, unable to make much money.

So... "renting a room" can take many forms, and can mean many things. Please tell us more...

I also found the note of "youtube - 100,000" to be interesting. I've never even thought about trying to make money from youtube. You appear to be much more enterprising than I am.

None of these comments have anything to do with your farming efforts, but then, you're the one who mentioned the non-farming things, and I think they are worth further discussion. All of my comments/questions here are intended to be helpful, by the way. I'm very interested in what you're trying to do here, and would like to know more.

A nice post questiong the OP sanity.

I would say to OP politely "are you nutts" hahahaha.

Mr Kie, your goals are admirable, however, you may have to rethink your cattle feeding strategy.

On our farm, in Australia, we used to run 500 head of dairy cattle and required 1500 acres to do it. To put things into perspective, that's 3 750 rai for 500 head. Therefore, each head required 7.5 rai of land for grazing.

The farm was roughly divided up into three paddocks of 500 acres, each. As the grass was eaten and trampled down, in the first paddock, we would move them into the second paddock. Followed by the third paddock. By the time the third paddock was reaching the end of it's grazing term, the first paddock had sufficiently recovered to move them back.

Again, it's fantastic to see someone putting their energies into something positive.

Hi Stray...very interesting comment. I see what you mean and i did my Bachelor in Dairy farming and agriculture in the Netherlands for 5 years. what i have seen and learned over there is exactly like what you are explaining here. I think if in such case and if we have to do the same like you told...with a tiny land we have will not be able to raise any cow then....right?.....

it is just a matter of how much roughage do you have whether it's enough to feed your cows or not...that is the reason why i'm growing Napier here. over here we have 4 cows including 1 heifer 1 calve 2 cows all are female. and the average weight is around 300-400kg and the DMI is should be around 3% of the body weight.....so...then we look at the Napier grass we have. the production per cut is 15 tone per rai. and we can cut it 6 times a year. we provide irrigation all year round so they are expected to be 1.5 meters height in 2 months... based on this data i think it will be very well matched with the number of the animal i have right now..... if not it's still manageable.

Ah, okay. I understand.

Yes, I was referring to grazing, not cutting.

I haven't had any experience in the method that you are following so cannot comment further.

Just one other comment, I assume your full property boundary is fenced. The reason I mention this is, with regards to the produce you are growing, it is not uncommon for people to wander onto the property and help themselves (including nets in our fish ponds). We had this issue until we fenced our property (in Thailand) and obtained a few dogs which have full range of the land (25 rai).

I know a guy who bought 5 dogs to protect his issan McMansion( made lots of money w McDs franchises) the thiefs stole the doggs...................

sorry i misunderstood. Turning 5 rai into a 7-11 franchise is a wonderful business plan.............................

Say you build the fence. whats to prevent theifs from staeling the fence.....................hahahahahaha.

if undercharged its best to keep mouth shut. it totally confuses thais when you try to bring up their error and correct it.

in op's cas he is a theif!

drunk monk sunk......someone needs a raise.................lol.

what would they be staeling? the small fish? cheaper to buy fish @ the market!

You need to get real. Your endeavour is nothing like what 7-11 projects. You have 600$ invested. They have $600,000,000 or whatever!

Dont think of your farming as a commerical thing, you will be disappointed. Just look at it as your passionate hobby.

Good luck to you sir, i am always happy to see someone get up and try.

Many people just sit there and say this wont work that wont work.

You are trying, the same as me, i grow a lot of veg mainly for our own use.

I have tried zucchini many times, they start well then after a few weeks wilt and die.

Only had 2 fruit in 5 years.

Keep on trying, hope you do well and prosper.

Trying doesnt cut it. Esp when you doing what every other somchai, noot, nit is doing. The old doing the same thing over n over again and expecting a different result.

Farm to feed family is 1 thing trying to out do THE JOLLY GREEN GIANT is another.

IF you want tom make money dont do what all the other poor farmers are doing.

IF you want to lose weight dont do what the fat man is doing.

Sometimes the only way to change a family for the good is to get out of dodge. Pick up the ma n pa and move to a city.