Bkk Brian

B/S from a Hamas apologist. There is nothing confirmed at all, stop lying, its allegations from ex detainees and 5 cases of one individual person being used. Unlike the daily war crimes from Hamas holding the civilian population of Gaza as human shields and sacrifice. BREAKING: A Gazan man asks the world to save them from Hamas: "We appeal to the world, the Arab countries, and President Abbas to save us from Hamas. These filthy people have handed us over for slaughter." Hamas leader Sami Abu Zuhri openly admits that the terror group does not care about civilians because they’ll just reproduce new terrorists: “The number of births in Gaza is equal to the number of martyrs; we have 50,000 martyrs and 50,000 newborns.”

Tragic. Its an active war zone and the IDF had warned all civilians to leave there and removed some themselves for their own safety. Hamas and their continual use of the civilian population as cover is evil.

Yet from the same report: "Upon receiving the report, IDF (Israel Defence Force) soldiers were dispatched to the scene. The suspects fled prior to the arrival of IDF soldiers," it said, adding that no injuries were reported and the incident was under review.

Or you could read the OP and other posts in the thread, Robert Hersov was not claiming genocide

Another fact check: The topic is: BBC Faces Backlash Over Alleged Bias in Coverage of White Farmer Killings in South Africa

They are being slowly starved. The Gaza Famine Myth How lazy journalism, bad data, and skewed statistics fueled accusations of war crimes against Israel. https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1925650466655854671

Again, no one is claiming genocide, your making it up. This has been going on for years. The effects on white farmers of today are born from this Farm Attacks and Farm Murders Remain a Concern Johan Burger, Senior researcher, Crime and Justice Programme, ISS Pretoria The ongoing scourge of criminal attacks on the farming community in South Africa and the accompanying range of violent crimes such as murder, rape and robbery remain a controversial issue. On the one hand there are those who argue that farmers are more at risk of being targeted by violent criminals than the average citizen. This includes those who represent organised agriculture. Some go as far as claiming that there is a political motive behind these attacks, with the objective of forcing white farmers off the land. Indeed, people like Dr Gregory Stanton of Genocide Watch go even further and claim that the nature and extent of farm murders show worrying signs of genocide. On the other hand, there are those who argue that the criminal victimisation of farmers is no different than that faced by South Africans in general. https://issafrica.org/iss-today/farm-attacks-and-farm-murders-remain-a-concern

"former detainees have said"

When you have nothing then flame...................

For starters, you're quoting a report from 2012... And? Perhaps you should read my first post in the thread.

Correct, read the OP, it was not claiming Genocide, but if your going to attack the messenger (Telegraph) rather than listen to what he has to say which is also backed up by other reports then you have very little. HRW report. I am sure you can find it

Did he claim there was genocide going on? Also from Reuters Farm murders highlight apartheid's toxic legacy in South Africa ERMELO, South Africa (Reuters) - In a country cursed by one of the world's highest murder rates, being a white farmer makes a violent death an even higher risk. Whether attacks have been motivated by race or robbery, a rising death rate from rural homicides is drawing attention to the lack of change on South Africa's farms nearly two decades after the end of apartheid - and to the tensions burgeoning over enduring racial inequality. Some of South Africa's predominantly white commercial farmers go as far as to brand the farm killings a genocide. https://archive.ph/CbLHQ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safrica-farming-crime/farm-murders-highlight-apartheids-toxic-legacy-idUSBRE8AS02120121129/

There's plenty of reports that show just how bias the BBC have been on this by omission. I've already posted a couple, there are many more

An opinion piece that carries weight. It was not claiming genocide. Why did the BBC not make mention of independent reports from the UN?

I wont bother replying as you just make edits once I've already responded, very dishonest.

"The BBC has come under fire from South African businessman Robert Hersov, who accused the broadcaster of downplaying violence against white farmers in South Africa and exhibiting what he called a “Leftist” bias in its reporting." Read the OP Oh and nice edit after I had already replied............ More strawman though, the OP is not about that.

All a bit of a strawman though, the OP is not about claiming there is Genocide it is about the BBC bias in their reports about it.

Just as well really, there's over 2,600 Chinese students there, send em packing back to China, great. Maybe one of the other large groups, the Indians may want to go there too but doubt it.

Why. To further your off topic deflections?

Actually no, not attempts to discredit, many of those things referred to the post you responded to are factual as evidenced by the BBC themselves having to pull programmes and apologize when exposed, let alone break their own guidelines over 1000 times.

Actually quite a bit over the years if you dig in. The problem is there's very little data, its all controlled by SA so what comes out can be limited. There are so many variables. How disproportionate is it? What are the reasons for attacks/murders, criminality? Yes mainly for all the black farmers but not for the whites where racism is the motive? Here's just a couple, plenty more. Of course the BBC will not cover this, if its to do with Trump then they'll be as bias as possible. Farm murders highlight apartheid's toxic legacy in South Africa ERMELO, South Africa (Reuters) - In a country cursed by one of the world's highest murder rates, being a white farmer makes a violent death an even higher risk. Whether attacks have been motivated by race or robbery, a rising death rate from rural homicides is drawing attention to the lack of change on South Africa's farms nearly two decades after the end of apartheid - and to the tensions burgeoning over enduring racial inequality. Some of South Africa's predominantly white commercial farmers go as far as to brand the farm killings a genocide. https://archive.ph/CbLHQ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safrica-farming-crime/farm-murders-highlight-apartheids-toxic-legacy-idUSBRE8AS02120121129/ White farmers 'being wiped out' Over 3,000 have been killed since 1994. Now the ANC is accused of fanning the hate. Inside his farmhouse Pieter Cillier, 57, slept with his 14-year-old daughter Nikki at his side. His 12-year-old son JD was having a sleepover with two teenagers in an adjoining room. As the intruders broke in, the farmer woke. He rushed to stop them, only to be shot twice in the chest. In his death throes he would have seen his killers and then his children standing over him, screaming and crying. Cillier’s murder, at Christmas, was barely reported in the local press. It was, after all, everyday news. https://web.archive.org/web/20100603141223/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article7078730.ece

Sarah Milgrim, one of the slaughtered victims in an interview from 8 years ago. 8 years ago, a then 17-year old Sarah Milgrim was interviewed by local news after antisemitic graffiti was discovered at her high school in Kansas. She said she was already afraid going to her synagogue. Y-day, she was shot dead by a communist terrorist in D.C. for being Jewish

Reminder of why this war started and why it will never finish until the terrorists release all hostages, lay down arms, the leaders banished from Gaza and all terrorists involved in Oct 7th eliminated or captured including the wannabe terrorist civilians who participated as below. Israeli survivor recalls Oct 7 horrors: Palestinian civilians dragged a woman from her car, raped and mutilated her while laughing, then continued the assault after her death. They later hunted down a fleeing couple and butchered them with axes.

Starmer trying to walk this back on numbers........lol Labour want EU youth mobility scheme to be capped at 100,000 One government source said that the UK was hoping to cap the number of EU citizens arriving under the youth mobility scheme at between 70,000 and 80,000. Others pointed to Labour’s commitment to reduce migration, saying that it would not be compatible with a cap of more than about 100,000. Some in Brussels, however, have said that the number should be set on a pro rata basis with Britain’s existing schemes. Given the EU’s population of 450 million, this could mean a limit of half a million or more. https://archive.ph/qyvFQ https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-eu-youth-mobility-scheme-cap-6frnqtkmf

You need to get your facts straight and stop spreading misinformation, that figure of 4,950 deaths is from 2022/23 not as you again falsely claimed the winter following the introduction of means testing of the winter fuels allowance. You just cant help yourself can you.