Bkk Brian

9 minutes ago, Freeduhdum said:

My post was not based upon whether or not an individual will develop symptoms or not. But just to correct you, the current CDC estimation is 40% may develop symptoms. The point of my post was most people, if they develop any symptoms, will not be able to differentiate between common coronavirus cold symptoms, or other flu-like symptoms. And if you want to create a headline that any one particular market will have a "cluster" then go to any market and start testing... you will have a cluster. So my point stands. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

Current rule of thumb from the UK at the moment is "around 1 in 3 people with coronavirus do not have any symptoms." 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/get-a-test-for-coronavirus-covid-19-if-you-do-not-have-symptoms#:~:text=Around 1 in 3 people,the virus on to others.

However its difficult as many who are asymptomatic when tested then go onto develop symptoms later, so were in fact pre symptomatic.

About 80% of Asymptomatic People With COVID-19 Develop Symptoms 

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/938195

What is clear is that the hordes of asymptomatic carriers that at times were estimated to be 80% or more simply does not exist.

1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

This is what I am reading every single day, people being discharged from hospital having made a full recovery.

 

Am I missing something here ?

 

I mean what are they prescribing them ?

 

Is the vaccine really necessary if these people are making a full recovery ? 

I think what you're probably missing is that Thailand is one of the few countries that I know of that hospitalizes everyone who tests positive (unless you happen to be a migrant in Samut Sakhon who is locked in a factory)

So whether you have symptoms or not, or very mild symptoms then you still get to have a stay in a hospital, hence why so many get out again quickly and are classed as recovered. Complete waste of resources of course for the hospitals but I guess they just don't trust positive cases to stay at home and quarantine. Or living conditions to not allow isolation so much in Thailand?

7 minutes ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

That´s a manipulated list.

Why and by who?

13 minutes ago, dcnx said:

Nothing to see here, Thailand will soon release another news blurb mentioning how well they’ve done and where they rank on the world stage.

Typical Narcissistic government driven by power and admiration

24 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

You are right and as the articles state protection against serious illness and death is actually more important than comparing whether or not a person got symptomatic disease.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/02/12/all-covid-vaccines-stop-death-severe-illness-column/6709455002/

"All seven COVID-19 vaccines that have completed large efficacy trials — Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, Novavax, AstraZeneca, Sputnik V and Sinovac — appear to be 100% effective for serious complications. Not one vaccinated person has gotten sick enough to require hospitalization. Not a single vaccinated person has died of COVID-19."

 

Of course we need to be aware that this was from studies with thousands of people but not real world and with the new variants developing quickly its likely that out of the millions of vaccines given there will be some deaths after infection.

Here's a baffling number to me, walk in cases now outnumber proactive case finding in Samut Sakhon. That just does not sit right to me. Also no proactive case finding in Bangkok but there are 11 walk in cases.

89 proactive case: Samut Sakhon 11, Nonthaburi 1, Rayong 3, Tak 7,Pathum Thani 67

49 “walk-in” hospital cases: Bangkok 11, Saraburi 2, Nakhon Pathom 1, Khorat 1, Samut Prakan 1, Samut Sakhon 33

33 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Name one, give a reference.  I have not seen anything like that.  

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/peer-reviewed-report-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-publishes

 

"Peer-reviewed report on Moderna COVID-19 vaccine publishes

Data from Phase 3 clinical trial confirm vaccine is effective...

The investigational vaccine known as mRNA-1273 was 94.1% efficacious in preventing symptomatic coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), according to preliminary results from a Phase 3 clinical trial reported in the New England Journal of Medicine. "

 

There is one, quoted and referenced that shows 94.1% efficacy.

So that is to enough indicate that your information is wrong.

Again, give me one reference that states 100%, should be easy since "every single one of them" says so.

If you read all the scientific studies on phase 3 trials, which is a long and tedious task you will discover that anybody who caught Covid-19 after taking the vaccines, any one of the vaccines, did not require hospitalization or died. Summary below:

Take whatever COVID vaccine you can get. All of them stop death and hospitalization 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/02/12/all-covid-vaccines-stop-death-severe-illness-column/6709455002/

53 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

Masjid Anso in Mae Sot district on a 7-day lockdown, in an attempt to curb community transmission of COVID-19.

 

According to the Department of Disease Control, the rate of infection among migrant workers in Mae Sot is 8%, with a 1.3% infection rate in the border market.

Another lockdown. Its spreading. Need those vaccines. Oh where oh where can they be...............

3 minutes ago, Guderian said:

Another 124 cases found at a single market in Pathum Thani this afternoon, too late for today's total so they'll either be included in tomorrow's numbers or else swept under the carpet, lol. Seems like a real game of whack-a-mole is starting. 

Just read that. 124 positive cases found at the market from just 817 swab tests. Thai's and migrants. Thats over a 15% positive rate. 

6 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Yes, a real massacre, latest numbers 116 in total:

 

79 proactive case:

 

Samut Sakhon 24

 

Pathum Thani 1

 

Phetchaburi 1

 

Tak 52

 

Samut Songkhram 1

 

37 “walk-in” hospital cases:

 

Bangkok 7

 

Samut Sakhon 29

 

Phetchaburi 1

Yes. Amazing what locking up the Burmese migrants to infect themselves in the factories can do.

I detest the idea of China profiting from the virus they unleashed. $20 per shot is the cost for the Sinovac vaccine. At the very least they should be providing this at cost price, similar to AZ

2 hours ago, Selatan said:

I think Sinopharm's and Sinovac's vaccines are much better because they are inactivated vaccines.

In theory, an inactivated vaccine produces an immune response just like a normal infection, so the antibodies produced may target more than one protein segment of a virus, which means it can potentially better protect against variants. Not to mention the far easier and cheaper distribution and storage requirements of this type of vaccine. No need to worry about vaccines being wasted after taken out of a fridge.

The Vaccine Had to Be Used. He Used It. He Was Fired.

China and other countries that have started using Sinopharm and Sinovac vaccines on their people have not reported a single death involving the vaccines. As a biased farang, you can say China is not telling the truth, but what about other countries? Are they not telling the truth too?

Read what you've said and see who is the biased one.

2 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Yes, all 16 of them, what a mayhem. 

How many does it take to create a cluster that spreads? There's 20 of them now anyway, going up. https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30402562

5 minutes ago, DJ54 said:

80 deaths vs US 475,000 ... Thailand IMO deserves a well done! 

Its had plenty of well dones for its past control from posters here, self congratulations from the Thai government and even some international bodies including WHO.

How many pats on the back do they actually need.

Now is the next step, the next phase. Vaccination. Not containment but eradication. This is the new hurdle to jump.

Wise move

Chulalongkorn University on lockdown from today until Feb 28 https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30402562

People trying to get back to work and the economy going again, willing to pay for the vaccination of workers and many residents. Rug pulled from under their feet. 

20 minutes ago, sandyf said:

High infection rates mean desperation, but you are free to believe that the lack of desperation equates to "stalling". As for being over!!

 

Life globally will not return to normal for two or three years based on the rate of the current vaccination rollout, it has been warned - but there are early signs jabs are reducing cases in the UK.

Speaking to Sky News, Dr Clare Wenham, assistant professor of global health policy at London School of Economics, said the COVID-19 pandemic will not be over until the world's population is protected.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-life-wont-return-to-normal-for-at-least-two-years-expert-warns-saying-pandemic-isnt-over-until-its-over-globally-12203057

Good points in that article and indeed shows the need for all countries to roll out a vaccine as soon as possible and at the same time. Seems Thailand has not quite got that bit yet.

"We're still going to be living in some form of restrictions - travel restrictions, border controls - even when we're vaccinated, until it's over round the world. So there's a real imperative to make sure that everybody round the world has at least minimum levels of vaccines at the same time."

5 hours ago, webfact said:

"About 1,000 hospitals are being prepared. Each able to do 500 doses per day, which over 20 days comes out to 10 million doses per month,"

Good luck with that. The UK is currently 3rd in the world for administering doses of vaccine, about 14 million so far. That is single doses. They started on the 8th Dec, so that would make around 7 million a month.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

4 hours ago, placnx said:

Other viruses were 96% similar, but still that's pretty far. Do you know the genetic similarity between yourself and a gorilla?

I can see you would make a fabulous scientist studying the origins of Covid-19

4 hours ago, Selatan said:

Here, just like what Prof Dr Yong had recommended, a lesson for all countries from Serbia:

Covid: How Serbia soared ahead in vaccination campaign
 

Also, whatever efficacy level of whatever vaccine did not matter already - too many variants have appeared. A vaccine with efficacy result of 95% 6 months ago may get a 5% efficacy rate with a new variant 6 months from now. So, just vaccinate the whole population with whatever you can get your hands on quickly to prevent new variants from appearing.

Couldn't agree more, my debate with you was asking you to explain why you think the Chinese vaccine is so much better and where you conclude that after 10 million doses there have never been any deaths with it?

38 minutes ago, DavisH said:

But mass testing hasn't stopped. The curve now looks like the first one, just higher. I anticipate it will trend down as the first one did. Lile I've stated before, watch the number of hospitalisations and deaths, not the number of cases (the positivity rate is more important, anyway). 

Please don't take my bitcoin pump and dump analogy so seriously

Mass testing of 10k+ a day stopped at the end of January  and only lasted for 4 days anyway. Positivity rate depends on which group your testing, in the factories in Samut Sakhon it was 10% and over. If you take the overall postivity rate for all tests done over the whole of Thailand then it varies from 4.2% - 13.8%

1st Feb: Total Tests = 6,024. Positive cases = 836. Positive Rate 13.8%

2nd Feb: Total Tests = 7,578. Positive cases = 836. Positive Rate 11%

3rd Feb: Total Tests = 9,720. Positive cases = 795. Positive Rate 8.2%

4th Feb: Total Tests = 8,506. Positive cases = 809. Positive Rate 9.5%

5th Feb: Total Tests = 9,822. Positive cases = 586. Positive Rate 6%

6th Feb: Total Tests = 5,736. Positive cases = 490. Positive Rate 8.5%

7th Feb: Total Tests = 5,564. Positive cases = 237. Positive Rate 4.2%

They've yet to publish the more recent stats https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/situation.php