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I actually never tried downloading Netflix stuff to watch offline. I don't think my telly does that and I never watch movies on my phone, my eyes are too bad these days. I do however have a Wikipedia mirror on my local LAN, just in case the world ends, pretty good resource I would miss if the internet vanished. . . but this is off topic.

Forgive ne, but thats not what you said. You said... 

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One word. P@@n!

Well my daughter is an adult now, but you asked me what my yard stick is and I told you, so please stopped trying to draw me into a silly p!$sing match. . . and really, I think most people here would find the notion that Thailand has always been ''up there with the best'' to be pretty absurd.

I didn't say I stayed in Thailand all my life. In fact, I almost took a job with the British Antarctic Survey a couple of years ago but decided against it because I wanted to stay with my young son. . . so, I would have probably pooped you for experience.

Do you want to compared d!ck$ too?

Clearly not the yard stick you're using. I make my comments based on 20 years of living and working all over Thailand, more recently as an IT consultant working closely with CAT. IMO it's only in recent years Thailand really got it's act together in any meaningful way with the internet. The problems have been on many levels, not limited to the exorbitant prices the authorities try to charge subsea constortia for running cables via the Kra Isthmus, so ridiculous they simply chose to lay the cables the long way round. Even today, the price of international gateway bandwidth is excessively high. All that said, it's recently improved significantly. In the past, there just wasn't the capacity around the country to delivery reliable services outside Bangkok, and even in Bangkok it was often slow and unreliable.

What's your yard stick?

15 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

One word. P@@n!

 

The other point is that your DL speed is only going to be as good as the UL speed from where you are downloading from.

 

Let's do the maths. . . Assuming a decent HD feed at 3 Mbps, you'd need around 333 videos running concurrently to fully saturate a 1 Gbps connection. That would make the viewer a hardcore w####r, my hat off to you.

Seriously, what home user needs that {rhet}

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So basically for as long as domestic broadband internets been available, Thailand has always outperformed Australia.

Just because Australia was more of an internet joke doesn't lessen the fact Thailand was an internet joke.

Means nothing without the location of the remote client and your results.

Great first post mate.

1 hour ago, Pib said:

Never-ever heard of a 5Gb residential plan....would require special business class equipment....cost a lot of money.    Sorry, still don't believe it.   Now back around tha

 

I find all of this pretty absurd actually. Who needs a 1 Gbps connection in their home, really? It's no different from all the nonsense hype around 4G and 5G. Who needs a gagillion gabillion bps on their mobile phone? Ridiculous. You can stream a HD movie for 3 Mbps.

Now, if you're tranferring large volumes of data between offices on fixed lines, then yes, it will help. We don't have any 1 Gbps lines but we achieve those speeds cumulatively. We have a main line from ToT, corporate line with a block of 5 static IPs. It's only 100 Mbps symmetrical but more then enough. The other 3 lines are baseline packages from 3bb, CAT and True. Total bandwidth between them is around 1 Gbps, which we load balance. The major advantage of this arrangement is very robust redundancy.

But really, nobody needs these ridiculous speeds at home, certainly not in 2020. Maybe in the future.

It's impossible for me to give an accurate result because there are 40 or 50 people using any one of our 4 lines at one time. However, here's the 3bb line I just tested, 200/200 rated. . .

As I said, I'm competing with lots of other people around our offices.

8 minutes ago, Bruce Aussie Chiang Mai said:

 

Any Internet provider can run 500 metres our house here at  no cost to us, just hang from power poles or trees.

 

 

We run a private power grid, on which we have our own fibre network. If I ever find an ISP has hung their fibre from our bolts/clips, I'll cut their cables down. It takes them a few visits to figure it out, eventually they come to see us and ask for permission, and we give them permission at no cost, but we then we'll hand them our specs, which we strictly enforce. . . this significantly increases their installation costs.

15 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

My point is that Internet is just as cheap in UK.

 

 

I'd question that. Our CAT line, 150/150 symmetrical fibre is something like 350 Baht. Our 3bb line, 200/200 symmetrical fibre, is 599 Baht per month, on average around half the cost of your similar line in the UK. Our upload speeds consistently match the download speed too, unlike your test result.

There are two types of ISP, those that have their own networks, and those that don't. In the UK, it's effectively just BT, who have a very unhealthy monopoly on UK wide communications, and everyone else relies on them

OK fair enough. For the record, I usually get ping times via my SG rack to the UK around 190 ms round trip, pretty close to the theoretical best case for that route. Pinging from Thailand I don't think I ever saw it go under 220 ms

26 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

Can you name a few, because as far as I'm aware Google - youtube and Netflix are all in Singapore.

 

I also notice that if I do a speed test on single connection to Europe, I will double the download speed by enabling Singapore VPN.

 

All major Thai companies, including the National Broadcasting and Telecommunication Commission, host their websites outside Thailand

Google actually have racks in the CAT IDC in Bangkok, but in any case, it's the peering and transit arrangements that matter, and for the same reasons I colo my own rack in Singapore. I route my own connections to the UK via Singapore, my iPlayer performance is so good I might as well be in the UK with an aerial on the roof.

1 hour ago, mfd101 said:

Yes, splendid for Thai sites in Thai language ...

That's really more than a little over simplistic. Streaming services, for example, often have local peering agreements or even fully fledged mirrors, to improve streaming services locally rather than relying on international gateways. This is the case in most countries where there are subscriber numbers significant enough to warrant the investment, not just in Thailand. It matters, whether you get it or not.

. . . actually, don't PM me. You can read a list of working high stratum servers here, but be aware, they are mostly closed access. Just use the NTP Pool, unless you have a niche use case. . .

Stratum one. . .

https://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/StratumOneTimeServers

Stratum two. . .

http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/StratumTwoTimeServers

1 hour ago, Pib said:

What DNS are you using?  If you don't enter one in your gaming/computer hardware setup you will be using your ISP's (i.e., AIS) DNS service which may not provide the best routing/lowest ping.  Ditto if using a VPN and using the VPN provider's DNS servers.  

 

It's not as simple as that unfortunately. A DNS query happens once, until the lookup expires (usually hours). Once the lookup is complete, the route to the target IP is entirely down do peering and routing at the mercy of carriers in between your home and the target server. DNS has absolutely nothing to do with ping times, and certainly won't help with routes. The only thing it will effect is the very first ping i.e. while it waits for the DNS lookup, which is a separate thing.

OP, when you say you are using AIS, is this fibre or 4G?

It's more likely your requests are being blocked by the NTP server administrator, or automatically, for abuse. Abuse would simply be querying the time server more than a specified number of times per hour, for example. Perhaps you have copied and pasted the address of a timer server you found online, without realising it might be a 'closed server' i.e. you may only use it by invitation or request. You are probably just blocked. It's also possible you copy/pasted a server that simply doesn't exist anymore. It is not sufficient to ping the server, this is a completely different protocol being replied to (ICMP). You MUST query with the actual NTP protocol to see if it is live for time queries, just because it answers to ping doesn't mean it's answering to NTP. Many of the servers posted above just don't work, you can check if the NTP server is live here. . .

https://servertest.online/ntp

There may also be geographic restriction on private time servers, which is why you might find it works with/out a VPN. It's almost certainly not a DNS problem.

The best the average use can do is use the NTP pool, rather than any specific servers. . .

0.pool.ntp.org

You will automatically be directed to the nearest available server by the NTP project's DNS systems. However, you can specify more local pools like so. . .

3.th.pool.ntp.org
3.asia.pool.ntp.org
0.asia.pool.ntp.org

There are some privately operated servers in Thailand, but there aren't many, will mostly be closed access and are mostly university servers, or completely private, and you risk being blocked, as I describe above, if you don't seek permission to query them first. However, if you have permission, you might want to use them because they are a higher stratum (i.e. how many levels from the original time source) than you might otherwise get with a pool. For example. . .

(snip, I decided to delete my list of private servers. PM me if you want them)

I would advise you NOT to use or specify a Thailand based time server, simply because, like so many things here, they are usually poorly maintained or just plain unreliable.

20 years ago, even 10 years ago, Thailand's WAN capabilities were just laughable. The opposite is the case now. The speeds and genuine performance I can get on my Thai connections at the price I pay would be just fantasy in the UK, even today. Domestic bandwidth is effectively unlimited now, but there are still some problems with international capacity.

On 4/28/2020 at 2:46 PM, sandyf said:

Not disputing what you are trying to say but we were all signed up with AIS and when the engineer came he measured it as 250 metres and wouldn't install the cable.

GPON/EPON fibre is good for 20 Kms or more. The problem is if you are distant from a splice box you'll have to pay for the cable deployment. The cable is cheap but the cost of bolts, sling clips etc etc (assuming the job is done correctly, which it most likely isn't) on each pole adds up quickly with runs of more than a few hundred metres.

9 hours ago, tonray said:

and even the apartments advertise themselves in Agoda and Hotels.com as hotel rooms these days to fill vacancies. Couple that with airBNB competition and it makes for a tough road

I actually think the disruptive power of airBNB is overstated. Independent travellers are small change to large hotels, who, like our hotel, have a focus on large tour groups. Further, there will always be groups (or indeed independent travellers) that want or need the facilities large hotels offer, meeting facilities, swimming pool, hotel restaurants and bars etc etc. I just don't see people selling their spare bedroom as a hobby to be a threat to that, nor do I see tour group coaches pulling up outside someone's house.

The absolute minimum we can get by with is 5 full timers, including a gardner to stop the property returning to the jungle, and a maid to sweep up the gecko turds. 

Parent company is an unrelated business, and it's business as usual there, so This end should be fine.

Well you seem to be just quoting me from previous posts, so any more stupid questions? Yes we own the business. Yes I said what I said. What I said is what I'm saying.