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"I don't know, but sometimes I get this really bad feeling, some of the things we did over here - I told the Padre - I like it over here, but" ('Bunny', a character (soon to die) in my favourite movie "Platoon". (PS - I've been married to my Thai lady for 20 years - I too trust her with my life & we have kids, but then I'm in Oz now, not LOS). "I've got a bad feeling on this one" is another line from that same movie, by the useless Sergeant "O'Neil". "I don't know if I'm going to make it out of here". Maybe I'm a cynic. I lived in CM for 25 years - there was a village fund thing, but I thought it ended after Mr Chinaman ran away. Maybe I'm wrong ?
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A Thai "not telling the truth" ? ha ha ha (Give me a break), but as a comment - "I really love Pedro01's caricature of my favourite all-time UK comedian, Marty Feldman. How many out there in 'TV land' knew that Feldman owned the world's largest collection of Ford Mustang cars" ! Poor chap expired aged 49, so never got to drive them that much. (Hope you live longer, Pedro01) ! Down here in Oz, the virus has arrived, but they are pulling no punches about the possible effect on our economy, let alone our lives. The place is in lockdown. I doubt the Thai govt. is telling the real truth about this, somehow.
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My bet too - electrical. I only know old Hondas, which all needed spark to run. Does this model have a spark plug ? Broken spark lead would be my first look. I've had a Honda Dream turn over but not start - busted lead. Guess the mechanic will solve it !
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Spent a lot of time in all three and can only concur with the majority - NKP, then MKD and last/third Savvan, - but with this extra info. The OP says they will be in the area for work - I've no idea what the OP does but as I am retired and he/she isn't, the cost of a Lao visa is probably not a problem. Nor is the cost of beer. I don't know if the OP is single, or what, but I will say from happy experience that if you can speak both Lao and, some passable Vietnamese (and Thai) like I do, Savvan can be a very fun place after dark. It is just that the locals keep it to themselves - (I suspect that the Vietnamese $ run that town). I am sure you will enjoy wherever you chose to have a quiet beer. PS - Loved your TV name OP "malathione" - a popular brand of herbicide in Oz in the seventies !
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Interesting State laws in Oz regarding crimes like this. Four years ago I was the victim of a cowardly 'one-punch-attack-from-behind', by a dole-bludging piece of trash in a pub in the country town I relocated my Thai wife and family to. I was then 64, sober and had just completed my first week of my second bout of cancer treatment. I only came in to use the betting facility. Why did he assault me ? Because I dared to back a 40/1 winner, having its' first start in a horse race ! He had backed the 'favourite' and lost, - (my family breeds thoroughbreds). The only other time I got thumped like this was also from behind, by a gutless farang drug-addict in the night bazaar in CM in 1996 - Thai BIB did zilch. This time I reported it to the (real cops) NSW police, as it was all on cctv and as it was the second time I had been hit from behind, I wanted some justice. The guy was charged - pleaded guilty and got a $50 AUD fine ! A thousand baht - that is a darn bar-fine ! Justice ? None ! Me ? The damn turd publican banned me from his hotel, for "daring to report one of his "valued" local customers (who puts his dole money in the guys' slot machines). This is in NSW - if he had committed this same crime 50 kilometres further north in Queensland, he gets a mandatory minimum eighteen months in prison, for striking a person aged over sixty. Now that is good law ! I doubt the BIB in LOS even give this old lady a side glance.
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Sounds like he's got a better result than two Australians convicted for drugs in Bali. The piece of excrement that runs Indonesia allowed them to spend ten years of misery in prison, then had them both machine-gunned to death, in order to make himself look 'good' to Muslim locals during an election. The Australian government made no attempt to stop this barbaric action and, keeps on kissing his backside. Why let folks 'get rehabilitated', if you are just going to kill them anyway ? With all its' faults, give me LOS over Indonesia any day.
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Forget about the Malaysia scam thing. There are also people on here that support a former Chinese/Thai PM and his family. Amazing how quickly local people forget huge theft and corruption scandals in LOS. How many for example were in LOS and can remember when a company owned by that ex PM sold a satellite to the Burmese junta for $USD 750 million, but the Burmese only had a spare $250 million in cash, so that same ex PM and his government allegedly gave the Burmese a "soft" loan of $USD 500 million on the Thai budget, (which of course was paid to himself) ! I gave up trying to explain (in northern Thai) to local Thais, including my wife's family in C Mai at the time, how very wrong this was. They were all too thick to understand the meaning of 'theft from the common people', or malfeasance in office. I do not like the current PM either and, am amazed that anyone could actually say he has heavy support in the north - my wife's family are all Muang CM locals and can't stand the man or, his "democratically elected" government. As others have said, life is hard enough at the lower end of the swamp - they have more mundane things, like what food they will have to eat today, to think about.
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What gives me the most grief is this recent (last ten years or so) fad/perversion of re-making often great classic movies and completely changing the story and filling it with fake computer graphics, sometimes on the pretext that the old one was in B/W (not colour). A perfect example was 'Dunkirk,' the original of which I reckon was a UK classic, albeit in B/W. The new movie of the same name is second-rate and worse still, they completely changed the story line. That folks is precisely why after over fifteen years of visa-stamp-runs (Non-O) to Mae Sai, I now have one of the finest collections of classic movie DVD's around - all at 40 baht a shot ! So, I concur with the OP.
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The Tor Chor Dor (Thai border patrol) also has helicopters (including some older Uh1H models) and are not counted as 'one of the three armed forces' as their job is to 'patrol and enforce the border.' A Thai general explained to to me once that "you can not have an army patrolling your border, as it may appear threatening to the neighbouring countries" - hence the existence of the border patrol, which also uses some different weapons from the RTA. I have certainly seen one land approaching dusk, back in the "nervous nineties" when Thailand and Burma were 'squabbling.' Happily, it landed whilst there was still a little daylight. The border patrol lost a number of these mainly Vietnam War era aircraft back then.
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I take your point roo860, but mine didn't ! Now in her fifties, she is still slim model material even after having two kids and there are literally pages of her on the net. An interesting fact I did discover whilst there though, was that most (if not all) the ladies there shave a certain part of their anatomy daily and, it was not their moustache ! G'day !
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Merhabah ! (hello) - I visited Turkey five times before 1991 and absolutely loved it. I was a single dad with a 12 y.o. son and was welcomed everywhere we went. The people were completely and utterly honest and very hard working. Although it was incredibly hard to meet ladies, I eventually fell heavily for a Turkish lass about ten years younger - there are some absolutely stunning women in Turkey and, she was one of them. Long distance relationships never work out, but I seriously considered quitting my job and moving there. That being said, since the current leader came to power it appears he has embarked on a more fundamentalist muslim path and has endeavoured to take the country backwards, removing the secular freedoms that made me fall in love with the place thirty years ago. Mustafa Kemal (Attaturk) would not agree with this change in direction, if he were alive now. Perhaps now though Turkey has mellowed a bit more and, foreigners are being welcomed, along with their $. Certainly, thousands of Turks have lived and worked in Germany and many foreigners own real estate in Turkey. I will return one day, if only for a holiday - it is still the nicest place I ever visited. Great beer (Efes Pilsen) and great food. No serious air pollution whatsoever. Thirty years ago it was less than half the price of Thailand - I hope it has not changed too much !
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Funny thing - in NSW (Oz) utes/pickup trucks are very expensive to both to buy and register and you need to be a farmer or a tradesman to get any tax offset. Sedans are half the price of pickups. It is the opposite in LOS. I bought a new Toyota Tiger ute in CM in 2002 for under one mil baht. Thai car-dealers fought out a 'dutch auction' on our lawn in 2013 when we sold it, 90,000 kms and still looking new. Missus got 350,000 baht for it. We bought a new Mazda 3 here in Oz for 500000 baht. I'd take a Holden/Chev (Rodeo/Colerado) ute anytime if they would drop the price, but they won't, as they are popular here. I would not touch a Thai-made Captiva, - they have been the subject of several GM factory recalls in Oz due to major problems and they are worth little second-hand.
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Like Lungstib, I first visited CM in 1987/88 and loved it, I was still in the army and more importantly, single. As an Officer I even scored a 3 year posting in LOS from 1993-96 and spent most of it in army camps around CM, mostly learning northern Thai. I could see the writing on the wall even then, as I tried without success to educate the locals to stop their endless obsession with burning everything and anything. I met and married my wife there, - she was a locksmith and her family business is still located at the far end of Changlor Road, the road shown in the second photo with this story. Mrs was always getting tonsillitis from the air pollution and lived on amoyycillin. Our daughter was born in CM and we built a palace in Saraphi, but when as a non-smoker I was diagnosed with throat cancer I said "enough is enough" and we sold up and moved to Oz. Wifey has never had a sore throat since and after extensive treatment I too have recovered - it is our daughter's tenth birthday today. Seeing this story of filthy CM today only confirms our (I mean the wife's really) decision never to return there. It was a lovely place once (so was LOS really) but now it isn't. Sadly.
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Don't take people on here to heart Mr T Ban, as there are some bitter and twisted old cynics on T Visa. I actually have good memories of my time visiting the Samoeng area back in the late 90's, (especially as I was getting my 'leg over' the lady I was with for free at the time) ! I hope you find someone to take up your offer or at least, get a caretaker. If I was still single and twenty years younger I'd give it a try - that is a nice part of the north, assuming of course that the air is better than CM. Cheers !
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Re the army racetrack in C Mai. My Thai missus and I now agist racehorses (as well as her growing Thai fruit and veg) here in Oz and we have several good horses that race in SE QLD. In 1989 my then GF took me to the C Mai racetrack, inside the army camp at Mae Rim. I looked over the horses in the mounting yard and picked one I wanted to put my money on - (it was the 'favourite'). They have an interesting TAB there, with windows numbered from 1 to 12, each corresponding with the horse carrying that saddlecloth number. I wanted to back No 1, but as I approached window number 1 they slammed it shut ! When I asked <deleted> was going on, they told me that No 1 was no longer available as it had already been heavily supported ! "I was free to back any of the other eleven though". No thanks - but we watched the race and No 1 strolled home first easily. Later in the day I had a bet on No 5 and it clearly won, but the judge semaphored three other numbers, with No 5 as fourth ! (Imagine if they tried this on a real racetrack). The races in CM are all 1200 yards or thereabouts, with a permanently fixed barrier. No stewards and some of the dirtiest 'foul riding' I had ever seen - jockeys even trying to knock each other out of the saddle. These horses are not thoroughbreds per se, as it is 'illegal' to import any male thoroughbred (and thus increase the bloodstock). Most of these horses racing are descended from the 450 Australian Stock Horses (Standardbreds) supplied to the RTA by the Australian govt. under some aid deal in the 1980's. They do have a bar and food there and, you can even have "sidebets" (legal?) with many in the Thai crowd. Worth a look if you have nothing to do in CM on a Saturday arvo and like racing. You need to speak some Thai though, or take a pretty girl with you who does. There is a shaded grandstand and a 'members' part, which has air-con. You can also rent a horse to ride at the Cavalry Battalion at Mae Rim or at least, you could back then. It was very cheap, but only for those who are experienced riders. Don't try it if not.
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I suspect the Op is genuine with this offer, as I've been to Samoeng a couple of times in the late 90's (it is really just an area in a valley) and although quaint, there is very little of interest to speak of although it does have a hospital. Back then I met a BG who invited me to see the 'house' her last BF had paid for there. It was a simple block house with power (when it worked) and outside toilet on a dirt Soi. No running water (used the creek over the road). It is quite remote and is really dirt-bike country, or even a small 4WD. Apart from the main road, it used to be all dirt tracks back then. Usual small shacks selling booze, cigs, shampoo etc and not much else, except that December/January the area is the strawberry capital of LOS. Never saw another foreigner away from the tarmac. I had the same problem with a house in a remote area north of Chiang Dao with an ex GF. Couldn't even rent it out for 1k baht a month. We ended up just abandoning it. I would suggest that anyone considering this offer should have some command of either Thai or better still, northern Thai.
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I'm 67 - the missus is 19 years younger, but whilst she looks ok to others, she has a few medical issues, due mainly to poor diet as a kid and overwork as a teen. She never had ANY bloke till she met me, 'nuff said. Married 20 years now, she never has any interest in money, (except the $K's we send her mum each July) unless she saves a few $ and then, I hear all about it ! I 'run the house and finances' and she likes that arrangement, as she had no education after Pratom 6 (primary school). She's a good mum to our 10 y.o. daughter and craps on every non-asian lady I ever dated. Still tough as Thai teak though - (sometimes you just can't win) ! In this tiny country town in Oz, no one even looks twice at us. Just another old farmer with an asian missus, a kid and, a few racehorses. Enjoy life and don't think too much. You are only as old as you feel, (or the lady you feel) ...
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All you naysayers - my 98 y.o. father, an 8 times decorated WWII pilot and fighter ace (he was born in Oz from UK folks, but he only flew USA made P40 Kittyhawks and PBY Catalinas) just absolutely loves his Holden/Chevrolet/Isuzu Colorado pickup truck (ute in Oz) and yes, he still has a licence and still drives daily with no glasses, unlike me ! As others on here have already referred to though, they were really just an Isuzu, with a Holden badge added on - made in Thailand, as all Holden/Chevy Colorado utes have been since 2001. Great vehicles. I personally love real 'old' Holdens (pre 1978) as they go for ever. I clocked 589,000 miles in a 1971 Kingswood, whilst in the army - it and I went almost everywhere. This decision by GM has just added $5 grand to every old mint condition Holden in Oz. I am about to buy a 1957 Holden (real nice though) for $30K AUD, (if the old guy accepts my bid). For you Americans - it looks like its' big brother the '57 Chev, tail fins and all. Little 138 c.i. six cyl motor, "three on the tree" gears, but slightly smaller body. It is for my half-Thai daughter, who turns ten on Wednesday. Hope she learns to drive one day .... (not like in Thailand though) !
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In 2005 I was 'recruited' by a leading foreign-owned private school in C Mai, most likely because of my Thai language skills. The first week there, the Deputy-Headmaster asked me to go to the Rajaphat (teachers college) in Chiang Puak to address a group of over 300 Thai English teachers. I got little warning, given only minutes to prepare a one hour talk, about 'the need to be able to communicate in English'. Unamused, I decided to 'dump' on them. (Ask an Aussie, if you need translation of this word.) As I started in English, I was interrupted and asked if I minded doing the talk "in northern Thai" as "otherwise, most will not understand you." (These were all supposedly qualified English teachers). I spoke in cum-muang (CM language) for almost an hour and received a thundering applause at the end ! What a load of shiiite ! All I can remember now was that I expressed how disappointed I was at the level of English spoken in Thailand and how it must improve. I taught English in CM for many years to appease the wife of a Thai General, as I used to be an army Officer, but I now had a Thai wife - (I am wealthy - I never needed the angst, or the pittance of a salary but, you never rock the boat in LOS - we are, after all, as many on this site like to say, visitors). You can't even imagine my shock, when I was handed an envelope as I left the building, with 2500 baht in it, for a one hour 'talk' in Thai ! I now live in Oz with my family and, we will never return to LOS. Doesn't matter how many supposed teachers they employ - most Thais don't want to speak English, any more than they 'like' foreigners. Just my opinion of course, but one gleaned after living in LOS for over 25 years... goodnight folks (it is 2400 in Oz).
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Thai missus says Penang neua (if beef) but for me, it reminds me of the years I spent in the enlisted mens'/other ranks mess in the army. Precisely the reason I got my Commission as an Officer as soon as I possibly could ! Veterans will get this - as an Officer you have to tour the enlisted mess when on duty and any complaints from the men must be written down. One day the food was 1000 times less attractive than the Ops' photo, so I asked the cook what it was and, where he learned to cook it - his answer ? "Whilst doing a ten year stretch in prison." Says a lot. (He was a private caterer, the Oz army uses them now, rather than the UK system which has real (army) cooks. It is a cost-saving thing by the govt.)
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Their genuine birth/family names are usually quite long, as the Op says, which can be a nuisance at the best of times. Another Op has dissected the example given quite well. A lot of it is indeed Chinese in origin in many cases. Anyway, the majority of Thais are thus given a 'nickname' at birth (or soon after) and are usually known by this name by their friends and family. Which explains why there are dozens of girls named "Nok" (bird), "Gai" (chicken), "Noi" or "Lek" (little or small) etc. I must have bonked a dozen girls named "Dang" (red) over the very many years I was single in LOS (and still had a prostate gland). In more recent years, as Mr Orton has said, it has become popular to use new or more modern topical words - my wife has a relative with a son named "Golf" who has dreams of being the next Tiger Woods. I once taught the twin daughters of a senior CM policeman and his Mia Noi (minor wife), who had the names "Bim" and "Bomb". My all-time favourite though was a girl by the name of "Beer" and, she liked a few too !
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Thanks to the poster for the kind words/feedback. Again at the request of a general's wife, I taught English at CMU to nursing students who were going to study in Oz (about 10 years ago). The best three students were all Karen (and lovely), from the same general area near Mae Sot. In their late teens, I was shocked that all three had first-hand experience of treating war-wounds, but the thing I remember most about them was their sense of humour. When I was going back to Oz to renew my 'Non-O' marriage visa, I asked them if I could bring anything back from Australia for them. All three jumped up and said "your son" ! (I had previously shown them a photo of my 30 y.o. unmarried son)
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Two lines from the movie "Platoon" fit this situation well and cover different posters 'going at each other' like there is no tomorrow, so please calm down ! The first line is when one soldier says "opinions are like axxx-holes, everybody has one" (true) and secondly (and more important) is when Sgt Barnes says "there is the way it ought to be and then, there is the way it is" ! The way it ought to be is that all Thai kids, Australian kids, Lao kids etc should have a good life and family upbringing - then there is "the way it is". Reality. Kids whose parents are dropkicks, druggies or worse still, dead ! I have been to the area the OP is talking about. From 1993 to 1996 I was an Officer in a foreign army that assisted in Thailand with both the border patrol (Tor Chor Dor) and the RTA. The Karen and other hill tribes in this particular border area have had to put up with rape and murder by the Tatmadaw (the Burmese army) and being treated as second level by the 'locals' for umpteen years. I personally think that anyone who can offer any help to often abandoned, parentless or destitute kids in a border area, no matter what help, is far better than kids living on a rubbish tip and just surviving or worse, turning to drugs. The area in question was heavily landmined and often these kids have seen it all. Parents with legs blown off, or just dead. There are arguments both for and against Muay Thai, but at least the kids are doing something. Shortly after I left the army and married my Thai wife, a Thai general 'asked me' if I would consider teaching English in his sister's (private) primary school in C Mai, as I am near fluent in northern Thai (and you do not say "No" to a Thai general). As a special-forces trained Officer I had a uni degree, but my talents were hardly kindergarten stuff. Most that knew me said that I would not last two weeks as a school teacher, but I stayed on for thirteen years and proved them all wrong, until the "air" in CM gave me cancer of the throat. I lived in LOS for over 25 years and after all the bonking I did there in 93-96, I owed the country something. Give this bloke some credit - cos he ain't doing it for the money.
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We (the missus) had our beautiful 2 storey air-con 4br 2bath with solid teak doors house on big land with lumyai (longan) orchard in Saraphi (built it 2008) on the market for nearly a year for 2.5 mill baht. It was built to cyclone/typhoon safety standards and had high grade electrics too. Had many Thai lookers, but most were just tyre-kickers who wanted to see how a farang lives, or dreamers who had no money and could never get a loan, as they were already in debt to their eyeballs. We ended up taking 1.53 mill cash in 2013, which was a bargain for the Chinese-Thai lady manager of Singha brewery CM who bought it. (We had to sell, as I needed urgent cancer treatment in Oz). We still made about 100k baht profit, but it hurt to let it go so cheap. The lady re-sold it 4 years later for 2.4 mill baht. I went to look at it last year whilst in CM - the new owner had sold off the orchard which was now 6 tiny townhouses and, had repainted it bright red with gold trim - it looked butt ugly, almost like a temple. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, it seems. Best of luck with your sale and move south. Cheers !
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Can you drive in Thailand on a UK license?
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Got stopped by the BIB on my last trip back to C Mai. I had an IDP and showed it to them, but it turned out the useless woman in the office I got it in in Oz had crossed out 'motorcycle' and I hadn't noticed. I have a valid NSW licence for both car and motorcycle. My fault - I should have checked the damn thing when I got it. It cost me $40 AUD for the IDP and another 600 baht when I argued with the cops. Later I thought about it and reckon I had a sweet deal - I drove in Thailand for 25 years, (previously had both Thai licences) but never ever paid the BIB a satang. At 24 baht a year, it was a bargain if one thinks about it !