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All the land borders with Burma have been closed for more than two and a half years.
Why not just go to the immigration office and get a 30-day extension for 1900 baht off your 30-day entry stamp
Or if you're hell bent going on a board of bounce slogan up to Chiang Rai province and bounce out at the Thailand/Lao border crossing of Chiang Khong. You need to buy a Lao visa to stamp in and out of the country for $40 but that is the closest land border that's open to Chiang Mai
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Hate to go against ubonjoe ????BUT in Vientiane it is NOT turn in one day pick up the next afternoon anymore ☹️
Now they have a THREE day processing <- meaning you turn in your application and pay one morning and then TWO days later (the 3rd day) you pick your passport up in the afternoon. This means if you apply on a Thursday you get your passport back MONDAY afternoon
Also you aren't gonna get IN to the consulate without booking an appointment in advance but joe did link to the appointment web-link
Pay attention to the posted holidays too. This Friday Aug 12 is a holiday SO if you turn in your passport Wednesday this coming week you ain't gonna get it back until Monday-
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Just curious why you paid or said you paid 2000 baht for a visa to Lao when they are typically 30 to 45 USD depending on nationality.
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11 hours ago, Scott424 said:
If I remember correctly I needed to have 400k in the bank with the balance coming from monthly transfers so it was not possible for instance to have 200k in the bank and monthly transfers totally 600k.
I believe that is a misunderstanding on the immigration office/officers part of how the rule is really written. ????
There is NOTHING in the rule in thai or english that says for the combination method that you must bank 400K baht. ???? What it says is the seasoning requirements are in effect for the banked portion <- That means what you're banking has to be in the account for 2 months before you apply, must remain in the account for 3 months after and then the balance can't go below 50% of that amount the rest of the year (no matter how much you're banking) ????
I know of a couple immigration offices that told people that, one person I spoke with filed an appeal and had their initial denial of extension overturned (he was using 200K baht banked to make up the short fall of his monthly transfers). Another person wasn't bold enough to tell the officer he disagreed and wanted to file an appeal and I don't know what happened in his case.
As Scott424 correctly suggested, GO talk to the immigration office in person, BUT make it clear you know that there is no "must bank 400K baht" in the combination method and push it as far up the flag pole as you feel comfortable with if you're getting a different answer -
5 hours ago, zenplay said:
My expiry date for OA visa on passport : 07-Sept-2022.
If I re-enter Thailand between 01-Sept-2022 and 07-Sept-2022, I will get one more year, but Am I concerned with the new policy of mandatory insurance (as this is not a 1st application of visa, and not an extension) or the old policy is still OK in that case ?
I would wager this is a question NO ONE (not even the highly illusionary posers ???? errr posters on this group, myself included ???? ) knows the answer too
The insurance coverage WILL increase (in fact some immigration offices are already telling people applying for an extension NOW that they need the 3.5 million baht policy, not the old 40/400 one)
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some embassies that are selling the OA visa already have implemented the 3.5 million baht policy as well.
If your OA visa (the sticker or the eVisa PDF) is expiring in Sept 2022, you'd need to renew or get a new year of insurance anyway so you'd get stamped in for another year.
Personally I'd just get the increased coverage, and then you're sure no matter which way the cards fall when you go to come back in on an existing OA.
This is a policy offered by LMG which is the 3.5 million baht coverage but has 1 million baht deductible ???? as you can see it's mostly a "tick the box" show the insurance policy seeing as you'd pay the first 33K USD of any claim.
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1 hour ago, RubenRemus said:1. Transfer the 800K into my Thai bank account just before October 1.
2. Exit Thailand - late October
3. Apply Non-O Retirement 90 day visa from abroad - early November
4. Re-enter Thailand with Non-O Retirement 90 day visa. - mid November
5. Apply to extend Non-O for 1 year with bank details - December 1 or December 2.
Does this sound workable?
Totally workable,
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you could also apply for the in country 90 day Non-O visa at your immigration office.
Most offices follow the actual rule that states there is no seasoning of the funds when you apply for the 90 day Non-O in country and it only needs to be in your account on the date you apply and has to have come from a transfer from abroad)
Keep in mind you need a minimum of 15 to 21 days left on your current visa exempt or tourist visa entry, or extension stamp from one of those (depending on the immigration office) to apply for an in country Non-O visa (most offices have a 14 day under review, Chiang Mai/Phuket have a 20 day under review)
1 - transfer in the 800K baht to a thai bank account in your name only
2 - go apply for the in country 90 day Non-O visa (2000baht)
3 - wait the under review period
4 - go back get the Non-O and new 90 day stamp inked in
5 - wait until the funds are seasoned the 2 months
6 - go apply for the yearly extension of stay (1900baht)
Getting the 90 day Non-O visa at a nearby thai consulate would work too, just wanted to point out that you can do it in country as well
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You have to go back to the immigration office that issued the under consideration stamp
NO office that I am aware of will "close the loop" on a pending u/c stamp except the issuing office
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Your choice is go back to the office where you got the stamp, get the loop closed and the rest of the covid extension
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stamp out of the country on or before the date on the current under consideration stamp. <- I say that because you asked in another thread about going to Vientiane and getting a visa from the thai consulate there.
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You can indeed go to the thai consulate in Vientiane and apply for a visa to thailand.
That consulate has required an online appointment booking (since before this covid sh*t show started) so make sure you book one or you won't get in the gate.
You book an appointment here
Online appointment booking link
This is the main page about visas
Visa Info Page Thai Consulate Vientiane
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Sadly, there is no 'long term' visa option for you OR your foreign wife who is piggy backing on the non-B/extension you have under the trailing spouse clause.
You have an extension a year at a time and that's about all you're gonna get for employment in thailand (although some companies [BOI and IEAT notably] get 2 year extensions for their employees)
IF you have been on unbroken yearly extensions of stays making more than 80K baht a month for 3 years you could look into applying for permanent resident status. It is NOT a visa, and has strict requirements takes time but could be the option you're looking for.
You can read about it at this link (which is about the most useful one out on the inter-web for people interested in P/R and/or thai citizenship)
https://www.thaicitizenship.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-thai-permanent-residence/
There is also a very long, thread which is super useful for people thinking of PR called "Camerata's Guide To The Permanent Residence Process"
https://aseannow.com/topic/74654-cameratas-guide-to-the-permanent-residence-process/
That's about all I can think of that would let you continue to work here, good luck with it-
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yes the immigration office you'd use would be the main one out at the government complex (Building B) on Chaengwattana Road.
The only exception to that is if you're here on a visa exempt entry (in which case you'd use the new immigration location at IT Square Laksi Plaza)
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9 hours ago, sidgy said:Is it possible to to get multi entry/reentry permit on the 90 day extension? I am looking to get non O retirement on this method but with work committments i need to leave frequently TIA
There is NO 90 day extension ☹️
You come in on a tourist visa or a visa exempt entry, you apply for the initial 90 day Non-O visa for 2000baht, it goes under review for between 14 and 20 days (depending on the office you use for the application) then you go back to get the Non-O visa and a new 90 day entry stamp inked in.
IF you need to leave during that 90 days (before you applied for the year extension) time you COULD buy a re-entry permit but it'd only be good until that 90 days ran out. ????
When you have 30 days or less left on that 90 day stamp is when you go back to the immigration office and apply for a year extension for 1900baht and THEN once you get that a multiple re-entry permit would let you in and out the whole year getting stamped back in until your extension expires.
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If you don't do the money swap in two steps it could cause you to not meet the requirements for seasoning of funds using banked money method
I would recommend you move 400K baht to the new bank account FIRST. Then a few days later move the rest.
That way you meet the seasoning requirements of having a minimum of 400K baht in a thai bank account in your name only during the year. And as long as the 800K baht is in an account for 2 months before you apply for your next extension you should be okay,
Keep in mind there is a good (in fact great) chance that you will be required to have the year transaction history from the bank account you have now (to show the officer you kept the 800K baht in the bank for 3 months after you applied for the last extension AND that the balance didn't go below 400K baht the rest of the year.
I am near 100% certain they will NOT accept your application for extension if the money is "missing a few days" <- as in not in one account or the other when you go to apply for your extension. The recommendation I made is just to stop you from running yourself off the rails
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1 hour ago, LivingNThailand said:I meant returning expats (without work permit) like retires. I have an Non-O visa based on retirement and would like to (finally) take a short trip out of the country. Do I have to get an insurance policy and if so, for how long.
EVERYONE no matter the stamp they come back on (which means retirees on extensions with re-entry permits too) needs a minimum of 30 days of the 10K USD insurance to get a thai pass approved it's just people who legally work here can use the their S/S number/card to show they meet the requirement.
You can look at Thai Visa Centre's link here for insurance comparison
https://asq.in.th/-
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7 minutes ago, LivingNThailand said:
I've "heard" that returning expats need a 30 day insurance policy. Now the above says same as work permit and not needed. What is it? I'd rather not buy a policy but the rumour mill is ridiculous. Anyone know for "sure".
I can say with 100% certainty that if you legally work here (holding the correct visa/extension and a valid work permit) you can use your S/S number/card on the thai pass application and NOT need to buy the 10K USD insurance. Too many people have done it and gotten in just fine.
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7 minutes ago, drgoon said:The only issues I have had are Immigration Officials individual interpretation and application of the rules.
^ That statement (given there are OVER 70 immigration offices country wide each marching to the beat of their own drum) is the biggest frustration people face, the near total lack of consistency office to office and indeed officer to officer inside a specific office sometimes
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20 minutes ago, mikebell said:Anyone recommend a local Thai Insurance Company/policy? Anything else?
There should be a link on the thai pass system you can use to buy the 10K USD insurance (and keep in mind you only need 30 days of that insurance NOT a policy that's valid as long as your extension)
This site compares the various insurances (it is NOT a thai gov't site it is Thai Visa Centre's site)
https://asq.in.th/-
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12 minutes ago, Hal65 said:
The above is unclear to me. Do I have to do the report in person or can I mail it in?
ANY 90 day report can be done by mail (IF your office accepts mail in 90 day reports) as long as it's post marked 14 days before it's due
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in person from 2 weeks before down until 7 days after the actual due date (after that you get a 2000baht fine for failure to file on time)
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IF you need 90 days of stay here then apply for a single entry tourist visa from the thai consulate in the country you're in before you wing your way here
As people pointed out that visa type does not require any health insurance to purchase, you will get stamped in for 60 days when you arrive and you can extend that ONE time for 1900baht at the immigration office where you stay once you're here
You WILL need to have the 10K USD mandatory health insurance (for at least 30 days) to get your thai pass approved but that has nothing to do with the tourist visa,
here's where you apply for the tourist visa (via the eVisa web-link)
https://www.thaievisa.go.th/
here's where you apply for the thai pass
https://tp.consular.go.th/-
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I don't mean to rock the boat (especially as I just became a Mod on this web-forum) BUT a BIG cause of misinformation could be articles like this that have bad info in them which are read by and parroted as gospel by thousands of foreigners here but..
How about we just address the most noticeably bad and erroneous information in this article ????3 hours ago, webfact said:Will I still be able to stay here on a Covid extension of stay after May 24, 2022?
The covid extension program has already been extended another 2 months until July 25th. With that being said some offices are getting more strict in issuing the 60 day covid extension with other offices telling people they can't get one and to leave the country (so your mileage may vary)
3 hours ago, webfact said:foreigners may not leave Thailand and return on the same day as the good old days.
100% totally not correct, you can most definitely exit/re-enter the same day at land borders
The borders with Cambodia were enforcing a mandatory stay overnight in Cambodia when you exited thailand but now at Ban Pakard at least if you have covid extensions in your passport they're just charging you a "special fee" of 1000baht and letting you come right back to thailand. There are no issues at all bouncing out and back in Malaysia OR Lao by land the same day
3 hours ago, webfact said:It isn’t possible to apply for an advance Thailand Pass whilst still in this country.
Again, totally NOT correct. You can indeed apply for a thai pass while inside thailand as long as you select where and when you're going to enter the country.
Funny enough AT the borders with Cambodia they will apply for a thai pass FOR you (for a special fee) if you didn't do it before you decided to bounce out and back.
I didn't want to nit-pick that article to pieces just correct the most obvious stuff that I know for fact is not correct.
As far as needing a degree to navigate immigration extension procedures, it is my experience that all to many foreigners here don't put the required time into the oh-so important task of knowing what they need to get the extension they are after. Face it, most long-stay people apply for an extension (usually) ONCE a year.
With over 70 offices in the country things can and do change office to office as far as what they want year to year. So get off your butt, go to your immigration office a month or so before your current extension is gonna expire, get the latest hand out, ASK them if anything not on the list is required, so you have at least a general idea of what you're doing when you go back to apply. Another thing you need to stop saying is "I don't understand why I need to give them xxx, or yyy". Unfortunately (for you) the fact you don't understand why they need document x or y doesn't even factor into the equation. The immigration officers are low level, passport stamping, paper pushing, box ticking government workers, if you tick the boxes you get the extension, if you don't you don't and understanding why you need a document or copy isn't gonna help you get your extension one bit.
Getting an extension of stay at any of the immigration offices in the country is not brain science or rocket surgery, it takes time, patience and planning but trust me, the most clueless foreigner here CAN get thru the process if they put their mind to it-
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And you know your 90 day report was due because you got that little paper in your passport when you got your ED extension?
Are you within the window you can apply online? From 2 weeks before down until the report date?
One thing I have found is this new system is really finicky about you getting the address EXACTLY the same as the TM30 you have on file. Building name, Room number, Neighborhood number (if applicable), Soi number, street name, sub district, district has to be 100% on the money or it'll get rejected.
The good news is as long as you're within the window to apply online you can do it again and again if it's rejected.
I have lived at the same address the last 17+ years and used it for my 90 day reporting without problem both with the old online system, by mail and in person, yet when they went to the new online system I was rejected FOUR times (once on the mobile app and three times on the website) I just kept re-applying fiddling with the address slightly and FINALLY they approved it.
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you fill it out yourself
It is a self guarantee form
They have been handing it out for 4 or 5 years (really they were just handing it to you when you applied and had you write your name on it and sign it, along with the overstay penalty form, the terms of your extension form and the proof of funds form
I attached an example of how to fill it out
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You've been able to apply for a 90 day Non-O visa (based on marriage, over 50, raising half thai kids) in country for years and years.
You can only do it from a 30 day visa exempt entry (which people from 51 countries get when they show up here without a visa) OR a 60 day tourist visa entry OR an extension from one of those (either the regular 30 day or the 60 day covid extension).
Not every immigration office issues them
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most of the ones that do require you to have 15 days or more left on your current stamp to apply, because the application goes under review and then you go back in 2 weeks to get the Non-O visa and new 90 day entry stamp inked in.
Chiang Mai AND Phuket are the exceptions and they require a minimum of 21 days left on your current stamp to apply at those offices.
The cost is 2000 baht and IF you entered on a 30 day visa exempt you use for TM87 (application for visa) and if you entered on a 60 day tourist visa stamp you would use form TM-86 (application for change of visa status)
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The jury is out whether people who have one of those out of province, b/s, back door, under the table, 'pretend to volunteer' volunteer visa/extensions (that agents/agencies were selling by the thousands) in their passports can get back in without issue or not
There are some reports of people skating right back in without issue
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There are far more reports of people being denied entry AND/OR asked for a "special fee" to get stamped in to avoid being denied entry at passport control (especially on the volunteer visa/extensions that were NOT officially cancelled by the immigration office that issued it before you left the country)
Remember just stamping out doesn't 'cancel' the extension, it just stamps you out of the country.
I would say contact who ever you got that visa/extension from and have them cancel it for you BEFORE you wing your way outta the country AND as people also recommended I'd say definitely get at least a single entry tourist visa from a thai consulate where ever you're going before you do try to get back in as well (it's better than just showing up visa exempt)
One last thing (which might or might not be true in your case); You can be asked for the "3-proofz" at passport control when stamping in
proof of 20K baht or the equivalent in CASH
proof of onward travel in the number of days you'll be stamped in
proof of lodging (preferably for the number of days you'll be stamped in)
Many people will weigh in and say they've entered thailand hundreds of times and were never asked which while anecdotally interesting does not negate the fact that IF you're asked and you can't meet those proofs you CAN indeed be denied entry.
Far be it from me to scare monger, but I have talked to way too many people who were in the IDC lock up at both Don Mueang AND Suvarnabhumi, who were waiting to be shipped back out because they were denied entry with a volunteer visa/extension in their passport.
Now of course it didn't SAY that's why they were denied entry on their denial stamp. It says ไม่มีปัจจัยยังชีพ <- no visible means of support like most the denial stamps do, but that doesn't really matter, it was the volunteer visa/extension that ran them off the rails (especially the ones from Khon Kaen and Chaiyaphum for some reason)
Sorry that was long perhaps it is of marginal value-
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Once you get the 90 day report receipt come out of Room A (where they do 90 day reports) and go to Counter B. <-That's the counter that does TM30's and issues certificates of residence,
As Dr Jack correctly stated they'll charge you 200 baht, give you a receipt an EMS tracking number and mail the certificate to the address you used for the 90 day report.-
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METV Multi Entry Visa
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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ANY country that uses the eVisa online portal to get a visa for thailand has the option of getting a 6 month METV,
https://www.thaievisa.go.th/
You FIRST select Tourism/Leisure Activities, that will fill in the next spot down "Visa Type" with Tourist Visa (TR) and then you select Multiple in Number of Entries.
Keep in mind IF you want a 6 month METV you have to show you're exiting/re-entering within 60-90 days of your expected arrival. They specifically say if you don't show you need this visa you will get sold a single entry and NOT get the difference refunded (example an METV in the US is 200 and a SETV is 40 so you lose 160 if you don't show you're exiting/re-enter thailand