dentonian

7 hours ago, eisfeld said:

 

I posted it because many people are not aware of it and the requirement of reporting your presence to A is very similar to a requirement of reporting your presence to B. Do you see the relation?

 

And you said there is no such requirement, you were plain wrong.

There is no such requirement as you stated under Section 38, which is the topic at hand.

There is no similarity between sections 37 and 38.

One is the responsibility of the alien to report his address and any subsequent changes to it, as well as 90 day reporting.

The other is the responsibility of reporting the arrival of an alien by  a business or private resident.

14 hours ago, eisfeld said:

Really? Let me quote

 

Section 37 from the Immigration Act:

 

Note that the reporting to Immigration is seperate from that and is required by Section 38.

 

Real world experience: I have visited someone in another province and police that saw me in a restaurant asked me why I didn't report to them that I was there. They used to not enforce this rule but times are changing.

This thread has nothing to do with section 37, so why quote it and confuse the topic.

If you read the opening post and replies you'd know it's specifically about the requirement of the house master to file a TM30 under section 38.

7 hours ago, anotheruser said:

If you surrender and can pay the flight and 20,000 to leave they should let you do it.

As I understand the situation, some get themselves into a financial position where they can't even afford that.

If they handed themselves in, they'd face in indefinite period in IDC.

Keeping a low profile and remaining free appears a better option to some.

I don't condone overstaying, but in given situations I can understand why.

5 hours ago, eisfeld said:

And now that you know that you have to report to immigration, I'm sure you'll be glad to hear that you'll also have to report to the local police station :)

Why? There is no requirement to report to both.

6 minutes ago, Sexbomb said:

Thanks for the speedy replies.

 

But if she is registered in the blue book, then that is enough to show to immigration?

 

Is that correct?

 

I am just trying to work out a clear scenario as I dont want my friend, who does not know the rules and Thailand very well, to get into any trouble with immigration.

Yes and a copy of her ID card.

2 minutes ago, Sexbomb said:

Thanks for the speedy replies.

 

But if she is registered in the blue book, then that is enough to show to immigration?

 

Is that correct?

 

I am just trying to work out a clear scenario as I dont want my friend, who does not know the rules and Thailand very well, to get into any trouble with immigration.

I edited and added a final sentence.

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If the Immigration office is Chang Wattana they never ask for a TM30 to be filed.

5 minutes ago, Sexbomb said:

Thanks.

 

I suspect she has her address there and that she is registered in the blue book.

 

Would that suffice if not a rental contract cant be shown for whatever reason as proof of her residence and that she actually lives there?

Yes, but as she rents and is not the owner I doubt she will be registered on her landlords Tabien Baan.

She is more than likely registered on a family members Tabien Baan at a different address, which is why I stated she may need her rental contact. Condo address, her name.

Something to check on and confirm.

If the Immigration office is Chang Wattana they never ask for a TM30 to be filed.

2 minutes ago, Sexbomb said:

Lets for argument sake just say reporting is needed to keep things simple.

 

Is she the one having to report to immigration?

Yes, she is both the possessor and tenant of the property.

She may need to take her rental contract as proof of address.

But I doubt she will be aware of the need to report him.

3 minutes ago, Sexbomb said:

I ask behalf of a friend that is not member on TV despite my recommendation :-)

 

I will visit a Thai lady friend in Bangkok met online (I know, I have given him all the advise I can give him on that but thats another story for another day) and he will stay for a longer period of time at her condo.

 

This Thai lady friend lives in a condo which she rents and does not own.

 

is she the one reporting to immigration as a house-master or similar that this farang now lives at her place?

What kind of Visa is he entering on and how long is he staying?

1 hour ago, gandalf12 said:

At the registry office. Wouldn't need to be issued until a number of years married. Of course you can find fault with it but other countries do it. The UK will issue a visa for your wife after you have been married a number of years, I know because me wife had one. It is not citizenship just the right to live there and come and go as you wish.

Once they obtain ILR (Indefinite Leave to Remain), which now takes 5 years, they actually have a Biometric Residence permit placed in their passport. Not citizenship as you say, but allows entry/exit without a Visa as they now have residency rights.

32 minutes ago, BritTim said:

I thought his joke was pretty funny actually. He was implying that IDC might be preferable to staying with his wife if their relationship was bad enough! He probably had not considered the possibility that his humor would be missed. I have made similar mistakes myself.

I know it was a tounge in cheek question and I did consider posting a picture of a Thai pin up girl as a reply.   

But in seriousness, he has no income, no savings, no pension, nothing, hence being stuck in his overstay situation.

She works, pays the rent, puts food on the table and still takes care of him after 30 years together.

I think that speaks volumes for the kind of woman she is, and negates the myth that all Thai women are just after money.

5 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

What's the wife like? 

What does that have to do with his situation?

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

I guess I should of written they never ask for a TM30 form at anytime.

Sorry Joe, slight misunderstanding, yes that's correct, plenty of expats reporting CW never request a TM30.

I directed the context of reply to Two Ships who specifically asked about re-entry only.   

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

 

I don't recall any reports of Chaeng Wattana wanting TM30 form from anybody. They only enforce it for hotels and etc.

I stated do not Joe.

2 hours ago, dentonian said:

According to recent reports Bangkok are one of the offices that do not request a new TM30 filing when re-entering the Country.

Maybe UJ can confirm.

20 minutes ago, TwoShipps said:

Have processed everything at Immigration Division 1.  Live in Suan Luang area of Bangkok.  (On Nut)    Thank you dentonian! 

 

According to recent reports Bangkok are one of the offices that do not request a new TM30 filing when re-entering the Country.

Maybe UJ can confirm.

14 minutes ago, TwoShipps said:

Good thread.  Here is my situation.  USA Passport.  Currently have a work permit, with 90 day visa.  Will get 1 year visa in July when 90 days expires.   Leaving LOS for 10 days on May 26th.  Will get a 1 time reentry permit upon departure.  Do I need to file form TM30 when I return on June 8th, or within 24 hours of arrival back in LOS?    I am certain that landlord filed TM30 upon rental, and Foundation I volunteer at handles all work permit/visa processes.    Thanks in advance!  

The TM30 should be filed within 24 hours of arriving back at your place of residence, as informed on your TM6, not 24 hours of arrival in LOS.

Whether you are required to file a TM30 when re-entering will depend on your Immigration office.

Which office is it?

51 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I think you will find that info is wrong if you contact them. The embassy had it on their website for a period of time and removed it after they changed their minds about  needing the proof.

That's sounds about par for the course 

Just in case anyone wants a copy of the Australian Embassy Stat Dec form.

It can be completed before arrival but must be signed in front of the Australian Embassy official.

Stat Dec Australia.pdf

interesting to note that the Australian Consulate in Phuket only notarise Stat Decs on a Tuesday, by appointment, and proof of funds is required.

If you are signing a Statutory Declaration in support of a retirement or other visa, you must provide proof of income such as a bank, superannuation fund or Centrelink statement.

http://phuket.consulate.gov.au/pket/Notarialservices.html

1. True - file a TM30

2. True - file a TM30

3. Debatable. - Some offices require a TM30 to be filed

4. Yes, your next report is due 90 days from re-entering. The date of entry is day 1.

1 minute ago, giddyup said:

Ducking and weaving.

Ducking and weaving what?

Look some us like educating ourselves to the laws of the Country we choose to stay.

If you don't want to fine.

But don't whinge about the need to maybe file a form, when you can't be bothered to research your facts first.

Ubon Joe didn't gain his knowledge from reading Moby Dick.

6 minutes ago, giddyup said:

So, bit of a waste of time to wade though the Immigration act, as you suggested, if the rules are open to interpretation by each individual office.

If you watch the video it explains the relevance of section 37 and 38 from the Immigration Act.

Not a waste of time at all to wade through the Immigration Act at all.

Every section applies to aliens, not just the two quoted.

It's entirely an individuals choice what to read.

2 hours ago, jeab1980 said:

That totally depends on immigration office as ive said told a long time ago no need for tm30 only if you move address.Then me tm28 house master tm30

That's why I specifically stated 'Some Immigration offices'.

My office only requires a TM30 to be filed if changing address or re-entering after leaving the Country

They do not request a new TM30 if  I visit friends/family in Nakhon Nowhere for 2 weeks.

Only your own office can advise how they enforce the law.

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

Perhaps on the Pattaya forum since it specifically for the Jomtien (Chonburi immigration) office. Different rules at different offices is the problem.

I agree.

It is a very informative video though, explaining the requirements by law, even though not every Immigration office enforces them.

If everyone followed that information, less would receive fines.

That video should be pinned to the top of this forum.

Saves a lot of arguments and misunderstandings on this subject.

8 hours ago, gaviny said:

Ubonjoe, so in my case , where I have a O retirement visa with multiple reentry permit and have given my residential address , if I travel out of the country and then return, I'm exempt from reporting my address again if it's the same address?

There are two requirements;

One for the alien to report a change of address, one for the 'house master' to report an alien arriving at a residence.

If you leave and re-enter the Country you file the TM6 notifying the same address already registered with Immigration.

You are returning to the same address, so need to file a TM28.

Some Immigration offices though do require the person who could be considered the 'house master' to refile a TM30 on the arrival of the alien returning to his place of residence after exiting/re-entering the Country.