Andrew Dwyer

4 minutes ago, macahoom said:

 

I'll have to go back to the loose gravel slope I was on. Unfortunately it's about 300km from where I live!

Yes !, the rollers are the ultimate test but who has those !

I suspect there will be a few AWD owners demanding answers from their dealers after the videos.

Would putting it on the lift and raising a few inches not enable you to check if all wheels are being driven ??

If you watch the two videos you will see that the car is only driving the rear wheels initially despite ITAC and snow mode enabled.

After the update by visiting BYD techs AWD is enabled.

The question now is how do you know your car is enabled ?

I would suggest finding a suitable gravel incline, enabling ITAC and snow mode to test, if in doubt visit your dealer.

Hopefully the dealer is aware of any such update.

7 hours ago, mistral53 said:

I saw on YT that 'down-under' they got a new OTA to 2401, I am still on 2310 - what SW version are you guys on?

 

link to the clip:

 

2310 here also .

I think down under they were late getting their first update, don’t see anything on there we haven’t had for a while.

Season 2 of Outer Range, starring Josh Brolin starts May 16th.

“A rancher fighting for his land and family discovers an unfathomable mystery at the edge of Wyoming's wilderness.” imdb 7.1

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11685912/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk

I thought season one was good and ended with more questions than answers, hopefully season 2 will shed some light on the mystery.

For those unaware:

18 minutes ago, macahoom said:

 

What's this?

When you press down on the volume scroll wheel ( right hand side of the gear shifter ) it mutes your music, but also brings up a rather fetching screen saver in black, with the clock centred and seconds ticking away around the clock.

Why it should bring it up as well as muting I don’t know …. but I like it !!

Okay, so what would you like to see in the next OTA update ? 
 

JB has mentioned that he would like some software update to stop the stuttering when flooring it .

Others have mentioned the seat memory buttons are buried deep in the info screen.

Personally I think the shortcut screen is underused:

currently I only use the “ swiping down from the top “ action to change the regen settings. The seat memory buttons should be on there at the very least.

In fact i think a create shortcut button should be permanently embedded on every page allowing you to customise the shortcut screen at will, currently is limited:

I don’t consider any of those as necessary shortcuts, would prefer seat memory and regen settings, anymore anyone ??

I also mentioned that I don’t like the door handles retracting when selecting reverse, don’t see the need and find the handles retracting when stationary a little dodgy, except when you are specifically locking from inside or out of course.

I personally prefer the screensaver with the countdown clock (when pressing the mute button) to the 3 options, find them washed out and the clock not centred angers my OCD ! So a better selection of screensavers, or ability to load your own, failing this make the countdown clock screensaver independent from muting music.

Other than my small selection, anyone else got anything they would like to see changed by an OTA ??

3 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

Because no drying of the evaporator is really required in some situations but the car gets fooled into thinking so.

Examples: 

- say the car has been setting for hours in your carport...A/C has not turned on/been running for hours....evaporator fins are dry as a bone.  However, you open the door for a few seconds to take a peek at something/grab something out of the car and then you lock the door which might fool/trigger the car into thinking the evaporator fins need drying off so the A/C runs for 10-15 minutes.

- say the car is charging....the A/C has not turned on..."but" because you lock the door the A/C turns on and runs for 10-15 minutes thinking it needs to dry the evaporator.

 

 

 

Okay, I see what you are saying now 👍

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

 

I have been to Vietnam 3 times in the last 5 months and am going again on Thursday, you see Vinfast everywhere, but they are not nice, they won't stand up against Chinese competition.

Yes, I watched a YouTube video about someone trialing a Vinfast in the US, it took a bit of a slating!

19 hours ago, Pib said:

Just to separate this curiosity question from my above long winded posts, for you Seal owners when the A/C sometimes turns itself on automatically for X-amount of minutes  when you turn off the car "and probably locked the car" have you ever tried then using the key FOB to press unlock and then immediately lock to see if that turns off the A/C?   

 

I know on my Atto that unlock & lock has worked each and every time to turn off the A/C that automatically started itself.

 

But, why would you want to stop the A/C in this situation when, as you told us earlier:

Vietnamese EV anyone ?

Vinfast will be showing off their range of ev’s, which includes an electric pickup, at the Bangkok Motor Show later this month.

Although sounds like only one EV will be RHD and destined for Thailand, also the pick up is a prototype, even so should be interesting.

https://autolifethailand.tv/vinfast-ev-bev-coming-motor-show-2024-thailand/

40 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

What may be going on here for some folks with the A/C kicking on while charging has nothing to do with cooling the battery especially at a mere 7KW charging rate which causes very little heating of the battery...far, far below the battery's max charge rate.....but instead the A/C is turning on to remove any moisture left on the A/C "evaporator" fins (i..e, the inside the cabin portion of the A/C like the inside portion of a home split A/C) to prevent mold build-up on the fins)    This A/C turning on is probably being triggered by the person opening the door a little to peek at the car display to see if and how charging is occurring because it can be hard to see by looking thru the window which may be tinted, then closing the door and then locking the car to leave the car area....then very shortly after locking the door the A/C "may" automatically turn on.   The A/C automatically turning on will not occur every time but frequently (say 1 or 2 times out of 10 times) trigger the A/C to turn on at a low level.

 

I can often trigger my Atto A/C to come on by going to the car which may have been turned off for hours or even all day while setting in my shaded carport by "partially" opening the door for a few seconds like I wanted to quickly grab something in the car or if I was charging to peek at the display to see if & how fast the charging is occurring---and then I lock the car.  Within about 15 seconds or so of locking the A/C might turn on....and run for about 15 minutes before automatically turning off.  

 

And the way to make the A/C turn off when it started up automatically by this door opening/locking is to then use your key FOB to unlock the door and then immediately use the FOB again to lock it....that is, click the FOB to unlock and then immediately click the FOB to lock....this will cause the A/C will turn off and stay off until you want to turn it on again like just starting the car and the A/C starts automatically to whatever A/C settings you have cranked in.   Now if charging while doing this FOB lock & unlock sequence it may cause the charging to temporarily stop for 30 to 60 seconds (I mean go to zero charging) but then it will start charging again automatically in less than a minute.

 

What is causing the A/C to come is "not" charging related...not battery cooling related....but A/C evaporator fin drying related.  It's because the car wants to remove any moisture on the evaporator fins to prevent mold formation, smell, etc.  The car is programmed to operate this way and has nothing to do with battery cooling in this particular case when the A/C just turns on when the car is not started.    I expect the Atto, Seal, and Dolphin all act the same way.  

 

At bottom see the snapshot from the Atto manual.  Now the note implies the A/C "typically" keeps on running after parking like maybe going to Big C, parking, and getting out to go into the store.  But my Atto rarely does what the note implies that the A/C blower will keep running for a while after turning off the car...nor will it turn on automatically when locking the car after driving it.   But as I mentioned earlier I can frequently trigger the A/C to come on while setting right in my shaded carport where it has been turned off for hours...I can do this by opening a door a little just for a few seconds, closing the door and then locking the door....within about 15 seconds the A/C might turn on for about 15 minutes.   Now where I say "frequently trigger" I would guesstimate this to be around 10% of the time.   It's a normal thing for BYD EVs based on my research/googling/youtube watching/manual reading/etc., as the car thinks it needs to dry the A/C evaporator fins.  But as mentioned when the car does this you can easily & quickly turn the A/C off my using the key FOB to click unlock and then lock...the A/C will turn off and stay off---or at least that's been my experience since owning my Atto for 5 months now.   The A/C magically turning on issue is not related to charging but related to drying the A/C evaporator fins...the car programming/sensors feeling it needs to dry the A/C evaporator fins.

 

P.S. last night while charging I did a test to see if I could trigger the A/C to automatically come on by merely opening the door a little for a few seconds like I wanted to peek at the EV display to check the charge percentage....I then closed the door and locked the car....and then within about 5 seconds the A/C turned on.  This locking caused the charging to temporarily stop but the charging restarted automatically within a minute.  I then used the key FOB to unlock and lock the door again and the A/C turn off.  The charging temporarily stopped again but restarted within a minute but the A/C did start again automatically because the little trick of using the key FOB to click unlock and then lock somehow tells the car there is no need to start the A/C.  

 

Snapshot from Atto manual

 

 

 

 

 

So, nothing to do with resetting the wall charger ?? all that did was interrupt the cycle.

Why don’t you use the app to check on the charging situation ?

I recall when I first got the car I would peer through the window to check on granny charging, the key in my pocket would bring the small screen to life, now I just take a look at the app.

As I mentioned, first time the air con kicked in while charging I was surprised but now I just leave it to do it’s thing.

This conversation only started because i noticed the lower charging level during the air con operation.

34 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I think the reset switch on the wall charger stopping the A/C is coincidence as turning on the A/C is entirely controlled by the car and not the wall box.

 

The A/C probably cools the battery and the AC to DC charger onboard the car which is probably getting hot.  If you DC charging then the AC Charger isn't used so won't get hot.

 

Generally speaking, if you can avoid it, don't charge your car at home until after you have let it cool down for 40 minutes or so if you were just driving it.  Thailand is a hot country and your battery is going to be hotter than the ambient air if you were just driving it.  

Yes, the 1st time it happened i stopped charging as it was very loud left it for a few minutes, restarted and the air con never kicked in again so yes I also think resetting PIB’s charger is a coincidence.

Now i just leave it do it’s thing as figure it is necessary.

Had read on fb groups ( both Atto and Seal ) about the air con kicking in loudly ( probably Auto setting ) while charging, the recommendation was not to start charging soon after driving and I adhere to this.

Probably the worst that could happen is that the air con would kick in earlier but could be detrimental to long term life of the battery i suppose.

15 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

As FYI....a few weeks ago I was charging my Atto with my Zhida 7KW wallcharger  (the one provided free by BYD when buying the Atto back in late Oct 2023)...my Atto normally displays a charging rate of  6.3KW on the Atto display and the A/C has "never" automatically turned on to cool the battery.  But a few weeks ago while using the wallcharger the A/C would automatically turn on about 5 minutes into the charging session and the charging rate go down to around 5.7KW.... and even after 20 minutes or so the A/C was still running.  Having used the wall charger "many" times since late Oct 2023 this had never happened....and a little ol' charge rate of mere 6.2KW should not cause any significantly battery heating.

 

I stopped the charging, unplugged the cable from the car, and restarted the charging several times.  Even killed power to the charger/rebooted the charger a few times and restarted the charging from scratch.  But each time after 5 minutes or so the A/C would turn on automatically again like it need to cool the battery while charging. 

 

I then unhooked the car and drove to a nearby EA Anywhere 90KW DC Fast Charger.  Started the charge...it started charging at around 87KW (as displayed on the Atto...the Atto has a max charge rate of 88KW) and the A/C would "not" automatically turn on.  I figure if a charging rate of 87KW on a DC Fast Charger does not trigger the car A/C to kick on then my little old AC 7KW wall charger shouldn't either.   

 

Went back home started charging again with the wall charger and once again after a few minutes the A/C would turn on.  So, I stop the charging again and tried something different.   This time after unhooking the charging cable from the car I then used the "Reset" switch on the bottom of the wallcharger to Reset the wall charger (it's a healthy sized red knob you turn to reset).  Repeat, I Reset the wall charger with its Reset switch.   I then connected to the car again and start charging--and now the A/C does "not" come on....it's charging normal again...A/C not turning on after a few minutes.    I repeat the process a few times...still OK.  And I have charged the car probably a half dozen times over the last couple weeks (primarily to see if the A/C turning on while charging issued came back) and everything is still fine.  In fact I'm charging my Atto right now (been charging a few hours now) after running it down to 3% charge remaining...I got a realworld range of 441Km which exceeds the Atto's 420Km "WLTP" range rating.

 

But the key point is apparently "Resetting the wall charger" by using the charger's external Reset switch fixed the issue.  Apparently the charger's software/firmware/settings/etc., got confused and the Reset fixed it.  It was not a car issue but a charger issuer.   Before I had been briefed by the charger installers to use the Reset switch whenever a Warning/Fault light appears on the charger and the charging stops....something like that has never happened.

 

So, I know there are various wall chargers provided by BYD and if they have an external Reset switch and you encounter some weird charging problem then "resetting" the charger may fix things --kinda like using "Restart" on a Windows-based computer as a Restart works differently than a Power Shut Down/On.

 

Thanks, it has happened 2 or 3 times before but I never thought to look at the charging level and left it to resolve itself/cool the battery. Usually 10/15 minutes is enough.

There has been some discussion on FB groups ( Atto and Seal ), and I think @macahoom mentioned it after the first Seal OTA update, the general consensus being it was just cooling the battery.

I don’t think anyone has pointed to the wall charger before but i will look into the reset mode on this ABB charger and give it a go if it happens next time, probably next weekend.

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Air Con cooking in is probably battery temperature, that would explain the slow down in charging speed too.

Yes, a couple of minutes later the car decided it was cool enough, stopping the air con and charging speed back up to normal.

4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Is this an Atto or a Seal?

 

Seal

Not even sure what car that is on the last photo with the split centre arm rest ??

Uses a similar model picture on the app when charging ( is that an Atto 3 ? )

Eagle eyes might notice that the charging speed is 4.6 kw , while is normally 6.4 kw !!

 The air con has decided to kick in at high speed, wondering if that’s the reason ?

19 minutes ago, Alotoftravel said:

Pm 2.5 is essential here up in the north. I  am sadden to read the new 2024 BYD Otto dynamic 480 priced at 889k does not have it . It might be an omission by the media publisher . Anyway at least the next model, 945k Otto 3 premium 480 has the pm2.5. 

Just to clarify, that’s the 2 x 410 models ( formerly known as Standard ) with a battery around 50 kWh.

The 480 models ( 60 kWh battery ) will be showing the updated version at the Motor Show later this month .

Opened the doors for 5 minutes and the inside/outside equalised 

Closed the doors and in 2 minutes it was back down to 5 inside, but no lower.

Tried the Quick Purification a couple of times but it never gets below 5 inside.

Make of this what you will .

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Interesting

Would be interesting to open the windows for a while to see it go up then see if it brings it down quickly !

It’s a reasonably smog free day here so it is in your hands JB .

16 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Can't rely on play-offs to go up. One in 4 chance. Any team can do it. Luton or Coventry last year.

Fortunes can change quickly when they are so close together, the Foxes were sitting pretty a few weeks ago but now have to fight with the others !

Both videos play for me Owl .

Leeds need a win at Millwall to regain 2nd place, should be easy ….. I think !

50 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I don't think the car is a lemon, I think it cutting power is the way I drive it.  I am not sure if my PM2.5 inside the car display is accurate or nailed on 5 by design.  If other Seals do display PM2.5 correctly then I suspect I have a problem.  What does your inside PM2.5 say?

Mine says:

Inside 5

Outside 25

Gave it the Quick Purification and it stayed the same.

13 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

209 baht in BigC last week here on Samui.

Mainland cheese here ( Ayutthaya ) also 209 baht per 250 gr , often reduced to 189 baht.

My best option for taste/price is 2kg of Anchor cheddar at Makro for 770 baht.

The most readily available here is Horeca brand, very bland imho.